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http://seattletimes.com/html/nba/202018 ... eam22.html

A scout in this article says blow em up - get rid of everybody. Callabro on TV last night said keep Cousins - 17 and 10 7-foot center with anger-management issues - but bring in some vets to mentor the kid. Cousins is a future all pro. The team also has Tyreke Evens - first round pg with diminishing returns.

This team could very easily tank for the rest of the season - the old coach and whole regiem is on the way out. We could end up with a high lottery pick. The new gm has trade-bait, if he wants to go that route. Barely over the salary cap. Lots of options.

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Too bad there's nothing special in this draft to be excited about, next year if Andrew Wiggins becomes a one n done, I want that first pick like no other!

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Keep Evans and Cousins, rebuild from there. Ya i like the wiggins kid too...

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Yeah but Jimmer's wife is a smokeshow!


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Why keep Cousins? Are you trying to re-build the Jail Blazers?


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What did he do that was so heinous?

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Cousins is the first one that I would get rid of for 2 reasons: 1. He's just about the only guy you could get anything in return for. 2. Addition by subtraction.

Lords of Sythia, as far as I know he's not a criminal or anything but when your best player is constantly fighting the coach and making decisions on which nights he wants to play hard or not, that is cancerous to a team.

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To be frank that roster is a dumpster fire.

Deal off Cousins this year for some assets(preferably young)/picks, get the Zen Master to hire someone good to Coach and go all out tank for 1 year. Draft Wiggins who will be an instant star (Or Jabari Parker). Core of Wiggins, Tyreke and Thoams Robinson is not to shabby, especially if you can get a vet PG that can distribute the ball.


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Lords of Scythia wrote:
What did he do that was so heinous?



He's a young Rasheed Wallace. All the talent in the world, but like it was pointed out above, he's a cancer. He might mature someday, but in the mean time he will ruin any team he's asked to be the man for.


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Yeah, Cousins reminds me of Wallace and no veterans will be able to keep that volcano under control for too long. That said, he could bring in some talent in a trade.

Kentucky will probably lose their starting 5 again like they seem to do so every season so how are they looking this year? :lol:


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Honestly I'd keep Tyreke Evans, and I could go into detail about things but the dudes a straight up PG, he's not a swingman like their bummy coach has him doing. Check out dudes stats at PG

'09-'10 (Rookie season, he was ROY this season): 20.1 PPG 5.8 AST 5.3 REB
That was on a team literally where it was just him that was only any good.
'10-'11: He was hurt, only played in 57 games 17.8 PPG 5.6 AST 4.8 REB

Now some are going to point to the FG percentage, he's a career .444 from the field, and the fact that his stats have fallen off each season, but that was when they decided to mess with success and move him around. He's a scorer no doubt, but with him at the 1, you could have a 3 guard rotation and invest where it really matters, the meat of the team. I am not in favor of letting Evans walk or trading him.

Obviously the biggest chip this team has in trading is Cousins, and honestly I'd leave that totally up to those in charge and what they think of him. Is he a necessary evil? Do you take the good with the bad? or is that not what a rebuilding team needs? I'd honestly lean toward the latter personally. What rebuilding teams need are either expiring contracts or young pieces that could either become part of the core, or become established role players, and picks, preferably those of the 1st round variety. There's been a lot of interest in Cousins this season when it comes to trade talks, Boston and San Antonio have been mentioned as teams of interest.

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I still think Evans is best as more of a hybrid between the 1 and 2. He needs the ball in his hands, but he is far better at creating a shot for himself rather than being a playmaker for others. Pair him in the backcourt with a playmaking/pass first vet and not have DMC barking in his ear to get him the ball and he could be great.

Also do they still have their amnesty from the lockout? Getting John Salmons contract off the books would be not a bad idea.


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I still think Evans is best as more of a hybrid between the 1 and 2. He needs the ball in his hands, but he is far better at creating a shot for himself rather than being a playmaker for others. Pair him in the backcourt with a playmaking/pass first vet and not have DMC barking in his ear to get him the ball and he could be great.

Also do they still have their amnesty from the lockout? Getting John Salmons contract off the books would be not a bad idea.


Two other costly contracts are Marcus Thornton, & Francisco Garcia.

I think Evans would do fine as a 2 as well, but this whole swingman deal they have him doing where he's going up against guys bigger than him, he's 6'6 and a cool 220lbs, he shouldn't be going up against guys that are 6'8 and up weighing more than him, its a losing situation for Evans on both sides of the court. The biggest knock on Evans is his jump shot, its still somewhat broken, but when he's at either guard position, he can get to the basket with the best of 'em, dude should not EVER be at Small Forward.

I don't have any problem with Isaiah Thomas, interestingly, he averages 3 assist in his 23 MPG, not too shabby but I don't think at any point he's your go to starter at the 1, they do need more play makers like you said, whether its at the 1 or the 3. But I like Jason Thompson, still has potential, but he's a very good role player to have starting at PF, he's averaging a nice little 10 PPG and 7RPG, solid and reliable.

FWIW UW fans remember Tony Wroten from last season, I believe he is just like Evans in terms of skills, but Evans stayed at Memphis for the better, Wroten bounced on UW after one season.

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Another thing about Cousins, I'm not seeing the Wallace comparison. I might be off though, he might be very volatile, but he is a misguided dude, on a garbage ass team with a garbage ass coach with garbage ass owners (for the time being). I can see where things might go wrong. A change of scenery might do him good (Seattle maybe? :))

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I'm both giddy AND depressed by this thread. I just lost my NBA knowledge when the Sonics left, so I cant add anything to this, for now.

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Cousins is the first one that I would get rid of for 2 reasons: 1. He's just about the only guy you could get anything in return for. 2. Addition by subtraction.

Lords of Sythia, as far as I know he's not a criminal or anything but when your best player is constantly fighting the coach and making decisions on which nights he wants to play hard or not, that is cancerous to a team.

Well, Calabro seemed to think he just needed some veteran players and a serious coach to shape up. He seems sort of childish, to me. Players can grow out of that. It's true he's a good center and probably good trade bait, and the team would tank next year for the next draft. I say let the new regiem make the call. Is Cousins gonna talk back to Phil Jackson, if he's in the locker room?

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I'd say keep Thomas too.


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Isaiah Thomas is a fairly solid backup NBA point guard and a local guy so he would good to keep around. Possible draft target this year that would be good is Michael Carter Williams (6-6 PG from Syracuse. Although his game is somewhat similar to Tyreke). Guy is playing great this year and his draft stock is soaring. Go watch the last minute of 'Cuse's upset over Louisville from Saturday. That or, depending on how they finish the season Alex Len would nice as you can then easily deal Cousins.


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It sounds to me like we could use Isiah in a 3-guard rotation in which Evans switches to sg. We can keep Cousins until after the draft and just get the bpa without having to reach on a big man - greg oden drafted above Durant.

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Westphal couldn't coach here, players were pissed off and wanted to ream his ass then. He still had the I'm a all star attitude back then. Not sure if his coaching ability and attitude have changed down there. I would take anything said with a grain of salt in that situation.

Put a coach there that don't take shit and is credible and will communicate Like George Carl and you can take that energyu and channel it to become an all star.

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We have a 1st round protected pick owed to the Cavs, we have to be bad for like 3 years for them to not get it.

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WTF??
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Who was the genius that orchestrated that?

All that for JJ Hickson? what in the hell?

Oh well, If Hansen and Co. want to rebuild, looks like either Evans or Cousins gotta go.

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Who was the genius that orchestrated that?

All that for JJ Hickson? what in the hell?

Oh well, If Hansen and Co. want to rebuild, looks like either Evans or Cousins gotta go.


And to just release him as well. Bad ownership makes for bad basketball operations.

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Pick is basically lottery protected, if they lose it...it's not that big a deal.


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We won't lose it until we're good. I think it's okay. We could still build like when we got Durant and Westbrooke.

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I think I have a favorite prospect in this draft, already.

Marcus Smart out of Oklahoma State, NBAdraft.net has him going to the Kings(maybe sonics)

Check him out.
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And a story that would endear him to Seattle fans http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc ... e/1850729/

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Sounds good to me. We could use him in a three guard rotation. He is too similar to Evans, though. I think the Kings are tanking nicely for us right now, so our position just keeps getting higher. We could end up getting one of the superstars - if there are any.

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Hmm an Oklahoma State prospect, irony at it's best...........................

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Lords of Scythia wrote:
Sounds good to me. We could use him in a three guard rotation. He is too similar to Evans, though. I think the Kings are tanking nicely for us right now, so our position just keeps getting higher. We could end up getting one of the superstars - if there are any.


The common thought is that there isn't that prospect in this years potential crop. The more I think about it, the more I think Evans will be allowed to walk this offseason, there will be a lot going on with the team, like the relocation and total rebuild of the Front Office and the inevitable coaching changes that go along with a complete tear down. It also wouldn't surprise me to see Cousins involved in a draft day trade and a few moves after for expiring contracts.

I don't think Smart is a superstar, maybe a fringe all-star player kind of a career like Rashard Lewis (not comparing them as players), but a really good contributing player who can be special for whatever team he plays for.

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Sounds like a blood and guts guy, does the dirty work that greases the wheels for the highlight reel guys. very young also could deveop a lot more NBA skills that could set him apart. Sounds very John Stockton type, smart versus a pure athlete, dedicated and always looking to get better and not afraid of work.

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Sounds like a blood and guts guy, does the dirty work that greases the wheels for the highlight reel guys. very young also could deveop a lot more NBA skills that could set him apart. Sounds very John Stockton type, smart versus a pure athlete, dedicated and always looking to get better and not afraid of work.


Exactly what I was trying to get across!

I see him as more Ron Artest (defensively) Meets a poor mans James Harden (offensively)

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As a Kings and Seahawks fan I'd recommend getting rid of both Evans and Cousins if you get the team. Evans is a ball hog who kills ball movement. Cousins is a distraction who will only ever come around if he's on a winning vet-laden team. His bad attitude is not conducive to rebuilding. I hope the Kings stay in Sacramento and get rid of these guys.


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after watching another player to check out, Nerlens Noel. Lorddddddddddddddddddddddddd he's good!

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Some interesting nuggets from Stein's Weekend Dime this morning.
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More clarity on where they'll actually be playing next season is expected two weekends from now when the league's power brokers all migrate to Houston for the All-Star Game and the meetings and madness that surround it. But this isn't the place for Seattle-or-Sacramento stuff anyway.

This is the place to talk about Tyreke Evans, since DeMarcus Cousins remains firmly off-limits while the Kings are in sale limbo, according to NBA front-office sources.

As for Evans? Word is the Grizzlies would have loved to acquire him as part of the big trade that sent Gay away, but the Kings really aren't in a position to take on salary as they await clarification on who'll be buying the team from the Maloof brothers.

A couple of teams consulted have volunteered the notion that Kings GM Geoff Petrie is ready to move Evans, but you have to wonder how much shot-calling Petrie can do at the minute. The greater likelihood is that the Kings don't do anything at this deadline unless it saves money or comes in cash neutral.


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I know one player I'd love to see them try and get though, Eric Bledsoe, the back up PG for the Clippers. Dude is easily a starter in this league.

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I know one player I'd love to see them try and get though, Eric Bledsoe, the back up PG for the Clippers. Dude is easily a starter in this league.


He's got skills, irionically Stein actually mentioned him in that article saying he's a possible big trade chip for Pierce. However Clippers won't move him until they know if Chris Paul is gonna resign or walk, which makes alot of sense.


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Omar Smart or Nerlens Noel would be my pick in the draft if given the opportunity.

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I think it's best if the current incompetant head office does nothing whatsoever and just passes on all the trade bait to the new regime Hanson will hire. He's buddies with Paul Allen. We could see a John Schnieder style rebuild.

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Random question but why did Paul Allan buy the Trail Blazers rather than the Sonics before they moved? Does he live in Portland a lot?


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Random question but why did Paul Allan buy the Trail Blazers rather than the Sonics before they moved? Does he live in Portland a lot?


Allen's owned the Blazers for almost 25 years.

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Random question but why did Paul Allan buy the Trail Blazers rather than the Sonics before they moved? Does he live in Portland a lot?


Allen's owned the Blazers for almost 25 years.


Ahh. Thanks for clearing that up. :th2thumbs:


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I think I have a favorite prospect in this draft, already.

Marcus Smart out of Oklahoma State, NBAdraft.net has him going to the Kings(maybe sonics)

Check him out.
http://nbadraft.net/players/marcus-smart

And a story that would endear him to Seattle fans http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc ... e/1850729/


Smart is legitimately good, but he needs a lot of work. Raw talent but needs good coaching to make it at the next level. he can also disappear for entire games at a time, chucks up a lot of bad shots and has trouble operating in heavy double-team situations. A LOT of these issues I attribute directly to Travis Ford being a poor coach, though. Ford's offense is not very good, defense is suspect.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuilding the Kings/Sonics
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Paul Allen has been a hardcore Sonics fan all his life. When he was ready to buy an NBA team he tried to buy the Sonics, but they just weren't available at the time, unfortunately. I'm sure he would've done the same thing he did with the Seahawks. Hanson could be the same kind of owner. They know each other. Sonics fans have probably just got really, really lucky.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuilding the Kings/Sonics
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According to nbadraft.net. We are currently projected to get Shabazz Muhammad. Personally, I wouldn't be mad at this at all.

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Strengths: Left handed wing with elite level speed, athleticism and skills ... Great scorer who can fill it up in a variety of ways ... Very smart, intense individual who is highly motivated and driven to be great ... Mature offensive game, already has a strong NBA body, INCREDIBLE length (appears to have a wingspan in the neighborhood of 7-feet), is a man amongst boys, very athletic and explosive ... Quick first step and handle make him difficult to contain one on one ... Improving jumpshot and handle, wired to score the ball, can physically dominate his opponents, pull up jumper and ability to put the ball on the floor have improved considerably ... Box game is very advanced for his age ... Great on the offensive glass for a 2 guard ... Knows how to work the baseline and score, terrific in transition, hard worker ... Shows signs of having a killer instinct and will assertively get on his teammates when they're not living up to his expectations ... The most prolific scorer in the country ...

Weaknesses: Has improved his jumpshot but still needs some work to become more automatic ... Relies too much on his strength ... Needs to look to impact the game in other areas besides scoring ... Too left hand dominant, ball tends to stop when it gets in his hands ... Not a great creator for teammates ... Can lose focus sometimes if not involved enough offensively ... Handle needs to tighten up. Not great at creating shots off the dribble ... Prone to offensive fouls, needs to continue to round out his overall game ...

Overall: Muhammad is a terrific long term prospect ... He can score the ball in his sleep and is just scratching the surface of his ability ... Once he improves the consistency on his jumpshot he will almost be impossible to defend, great work ethic and drive to succeed will take him a long way ...

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuilding the Kings/Sonics
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Wouldn't be mad at all with Muhammed, dude can hoop.

He'd be a nice running partner for when the NBA hands us the #1 overall pick in 2014 for Andrew Wiggins ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuilding the Kings/Sonics
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With 135 days left until the draft, the opportunity is still there to get in a better draft position. =)

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuilding the Kings/Sonics
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That's true, but I wouldn't be disappointed with Shabazz Muhammad. That'd be an inside outside threat with Cousins.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuilding the Kings/Sonics
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Throwdown wrote:
Wouldn't be mad at all with Muhammed, dude can hoop.

He'd be a nice running partner for when the NBA hands us the #1 overall pick in 2014 for Andrew Wiggins ;)


That would be awesome! He could teach the team to use their legs as shields and to shoot between their legs!

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