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 Post subject: Re: You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
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There is seriously some bat-shit crazy shit in this hizzle.


Yeah, have to agree with this.

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 Post subject: Re: You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
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RolandDeschain wrote:
There is seriously some bat-shit crazy shit in this hizzle.


Yeah, have to agree with this.


I concur as well

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I like how you conveniently ignore all the ways The U.S. Government likes to defy federal law.


Fixed this for you. Open your eyes guy

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 Post subject: Re: You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
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volsunghawk wrote:
RolandDeschain wrote:
There is seriously some bat-shit crazy shit in this hizzle.


Yeah, have to agree with this.


I concur as well

SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:
I like how you conveniently ignore all the ways The U.S. Government likes to defy federal law.


Fixed this for you. Open your eyes guy


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 Post subject: Re: You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
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Because of the respondees, this is the first semi valid point, and as I see it, you are likely the only one who can actually consider points you disagree with, I'll explain the difference.

We dropped prohibition; no Washington law enforcement authority said that they would interfere with the feds, should the choose to come enforce federal law. Further, how can it be argued that the founding fathers would approve of guns with capabilities that exceeded their wildest imaginings long after their death? I am sure many of you are certain they would, but lots of people are "certain" they were Christians, which they were not.

I do believe I've heard that one or two Washington sherrifs would not enforce federal law they didn't agree with, but none so uppity as to threaten the feds with arrest for enforcing federal law, that distinction is Texas, not us, and the issues are completely different. Nice kidhawk move though in putting an orange in the bowl of apples hoping nobody would point it out.

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Texas can leave anytime they want to. They are the only state that is not connected to the country wide power net. They provide all their own power.

So you can't expel them, they can leave if they want. And believe me there are many in Texas that would welcome that.

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Further, how can it be argued that the founding fathers would approve of guns with capabilities that exceeded their wildest imaginings long after their death? I am sure many of you are certain they would, but lots of people are "certain" they were Christians, which they were not.


You're really just terrible at debating.

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Further, how can it be argued that the founding fathers would approve of guns with capabilities that exceeded their wildest imaginings long after their death? I am sure many of you are certain they would, but lots of people are "certain" they were Christians, which they were not.


You're really just terrible at debating.


I'm still waiting for you to point out a lie; let me save you the trouble, you can't because I can document every bit of it. Not that you are worthy of debate anyway, your first post in the thread invalidated in right you will ever have to call yourself such. Nice sidestep of answering the question too.

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 Post subject: Re: You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
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It's conservatives who've re-written history to make the founding father's Christians. It's conservatives who assume and presume to know the minds of the dead. Conservatives have moved Reagan's history and positions far to the right of what they actually were (I was actually there, were you?), and misrepresented his legacy. Now just how is repeating lies till they are believed a good debate skill?

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 Post subject: Re: You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
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I'm a proud Texan, and a proud American.

As to why someone would have an obsession with a state some 2,000 miles away is beyond me. It's really not good for your blood pressure, much less your sanity (if in fact there is any).

Texas will be a "blue" state in my lifetime and I expect to live about 35-40 more years if everything goes right. You can't stop the demographics; migration from the south and many from the rust belt and northeast that have moved looking for jobs (of which we have many). The gerrymandering has gone on both ways. You tend to blast the GOP for stonewalling issues, yet I don't remember how you felt when the state Dem' legislators packed up and went to New Mexico rather than perform their duties in Austin.

Due to our history of living in wide-open spaces, we became independent people who learned to rely on ourselves, rather than government to get things done. We don't claim to be perfect, but we are pretty damn close.

Your little petition is a complete waste of time and bandwidth. If you are so concerned about the Great State of Texas, get off your fat ass, move down here, and make it better. If you don't care to do that, please feel free to continue bitching about something over which you have no control. I'm sure your state will have the proper mental facilities available for you in the near future, since I'm quite sure you have made your state perfect in all ways.

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I must say, after seeing Seahawker's "debating style" over and over in the past and again in this thread, I'm absolutely floored that so many of you still keep responding to him. Really, I expected better.


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Still yet to see anyone show me where anything I said was actually not accurate. Now to say it's not a valid reason, that's another thing, but other than Montanna's bogus claim it's all lies, I have gotten no argument.

And Tex, well I knew that insult was coming, but I'll ignore that. You actually bring up a point that I've heard a few times of late, but you neglect to mention that it may already be blue, or should be quite soon, if not for the gerrymandering by your state's GOP. I said it before and I'll say it again, this is more me pointing out that if Texas wants to be a state in the union, it ought to abide by federal law, and if it disagrees work though legal avenues, not make threats against feds, or just do whatever the hell it wants as if it was it's own nation.

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I must say, after seeing Seahawker's "debating style" over and over in the past and again in this thread, I'm absolutely floored that so many of you still keep responding to him. Really, I expected better.


How is it my debating style that's a problem, when the only debate from any of you consists of insults or dismissing the idea out of hand without refuting any point I made?

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I must say, after seeing Seahawker's "debating style" over and over in the past and again in this thread, I'm absolutely floored that so many of you still keep responding to him. Really, I expected better.


How is it my debating style that's a problem, when the only debate from any of you consists of insults or dismissing the idea out of hand without refuting any point I made?


kind of like when you claimed I was telling you what you think, but when I asked you to correct my opinion of what you yourself had posted, you had nothing to say. Honestly, how can you say something, then get all riled up when someone comments on it, insinuating they don't know what they are talking about, but yet not actually correct a single thing being said? Isn't that exactly what you are now claiming others are doing? Can you see the irony here, or is that lost on you just as state's rights seem to be?


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I must say, after seeing Seahawker's "debating style" over and over in the past and again in this thread, I'm absolutely floored that so many of you still keep responding to him. Really, I expected better.


How is it my debating style that's a problem, when the only debate from any of you consists of insults or dismissing the idea out of hand without refuting any point I made?


kind of like when you claimed I was telling you what you think, but when I asked you to correct my opinion of what you yourself had posted, you had nothing to say. Honestly, how can you say something, then get all riled up when someone comments on it, insinuating they don't know what they are talking about, but yet not actually correct a single thing being said? Isn't that exactly what you are now claiming others are doing? Can you see the irony here, or is that lost on you just as state's rights seem to be?


I explained all I care to explain TO YOU, if you missed it, well color me not surprised. You make assumptions about what people think OVER and OVER and OVER, it gets pointed out OVER and OVER and OVER, by me as well as others, and all you are doing is trying to muddy the water and draw attention away from what was said by making accusations. I'm just tired of arguing with you, I think I first told you that well over a year, if not multiple years ago, and not a damn thing has changed.

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Allow me to illustrate one way in which Texas' GOP has had an effect on us all with an outside source:

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By now I think it's pretty universally known that Republicans will control the House of Representatives for the next 2 years despite losing the popular vote by, at last count, over 1 million votes. And the seat count wasn't even that close: Republicans will have 234 to the Democrats' 201, or 16 more than are needed for a majority. This success has been widely attributed to Republican gerrymandering, which was made possible by the GOP's sweeping success at the state level in the 2010 elections. And to a large extent, this is hard to deny: Republicans were able to force Democratic incumbents to run against each other, compel others to run in much redder districts, and draw new seats that would be difficult or impossible for any Democrat to win.


OK, so the majority of folks voted Democrat, yet, because of the redistricting, they get GOP representation. In years past, Democrats were guilty of gerrymandering. This shit should stop on both sides of the aisle, we can't leave this kind of crap to the party in power, either party, because, as is shown time and time again, it will be abused. It's just one of many things, the Textbook thing being one of the sliest most insidious means of social manipulation. Religious sheep are easier to herd.

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Allow me to illustrate one way in which Texas' GOP has had an effect on us all with an outside source:



You are brilliant, blaming Texas, and linking an article that doesn't even mention Texas.

However, they do mention Washington:

"But what I want to argue here is that Republican gerrymandering, while certainly important, is not the whole story. To illustrate, I want to focus on the 6 states of North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan. What do these states have in common? Well, they were all, to some extent at least, swing states this time around, and in all the GOP controlled redistricting.(1) Ultimately, Obama won 4 of these 6 states, taking in them a combined 50.6% of the vote. However, of the 81 House seats these states contain, Democrats will go into the next Congress controlling only 23, or about 28%.

Now, before getting into my argument there are 2 things I want to point out here: first, a lot of the damage here was done in 2010 when the GOP killed it in marginal districts, and second is to reiterate that GOP gerrymandering here was effective and cannot be ignored.

However, and this is what I (perhaps mistakenly) think has been overlooked so far: though Republicans controlled redistricting in these 6 states, there were still 17 districts where the President won between 47-50% of the vote.(2) Of these 17 seats, Democrats won exactly 0 last November.(3) If the numbers were reversed and it was instead Republicans who had won 0, we would be welcoming back Speaker Pelosi next January.

Although I principally wanted to focus on the 6 states above, largely because the numbers are so extreme, the problem does not only exist there: In Wisconsin there are another 3 districts where Obama got between 47%-50%, in Washington State another 2, in Florida 4. Only 1 of those 9 districts was won by a Democrat (Patrick Murphy in FL-18.)(4)"

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Because of the respondees, this is the first semi valid point, and as I see it, you are likely the only one who can actually consider points you disagree with, I'll explain the difference.

We dropped prohibition; no Washington law enforcement authority said that they would interfere with the feds, should the choose to come enforce federal law. Further, how can it be argued that the founding fathers would approve of guns with capabilities that exceeded their wildest imaginings long after their death? I am sure many of you are certain they would, but lots of people are "certain" they were Christians, which they were not.

I do believe I've heard that one or two Washington sherrifs would not enforce federal law they didn't agree with, but none so uppity as to threaten the feds with arrest for enforcing federal law, that distinction is Texas, not us, and the issues are completely different. Nice kidhawk move though in putting an orange in the bowl of apples hoping nobody would point it out.


I'm not sure whether you meant to respond to this quote or the quote where I intimated Washington State also "defied" federal law with marijuana legalization. Your answer here appears to be addressing that quote, not the above quote.

If it was addressing the marijuana quote, I don't know how that's an "orange in the bowl of apples" as it is a recent law that is currently a hot topic of debate because it does fly completely counter to federal law.

If it was addressing the post you quoted, you completely missed the point, and I'm not sure explaining it will get us any further along.

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