i'm from a time when you got your ass beat.. i'm not condoning it, i'm saying it was effective.. i grew up knowing right from wrong, and knowing there were consequences to you actions....

what consiquences do kids have now? take their tablet away from them?

getting my ass beat kept me from crossing many lines as a kid... i have the upmost respect and love for my folks by the way, and looking back i appreciate the fact that they beat my ass when it was needed...

P.S. when i say beat their ass, i mean spank their ass.. i do not believe in physical abuse.. i believe there is a difference

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Beating kids is for lazy parents, and it has been proven to not be effective in a significant number of cases. Personally, I'd rather take 20-second beating than the punishments my parents used to hand out. I was a very active and outdoorsy kid, always wanting to play outside; my punishments would generally be facing a chair to the wall and making me sit there staring at the wall for 10-15 minutes or more, depending on the offense. It worked exceedingly well. It felt like torture, and I hated it. Smack your kid and the punishment is over in seconds, and a lot of them will still do it but simply learn to be more deceptive about their actions.

Plus, spanking kids lowers their IQs. Really.

You're projecting yourself onto others here. I also got spanked (though not after I was 12) and became a well-disciplined kid for it. Other kids don't respond to physical discipline and are better being restricted, like you. Different strokes for different folks.

But the number of people I've seen on the forum who almost brag about their getting spanked as children, speaks against your testimony IMO.

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I agree with Montana.

I was spanked only a handful of times. I disagree that the punishment is quick. Usually my mom would tell me, "wait until your dad gets home.." I had to wait for hours until he got off work, it was dreadful. It only happened when I did something very wrong and I appreciate it now, after the fact.

My kid is too young and hopefully I never need to spank him, but I would.

If you've only been spanked a few times, that implies that the vast majority of your discipline was done via other methods, which supports my assertion.

@Montana: How do you know it wasn't other things your parents did to discipline you besides spanking that had an effect? I also never said it never works, just for the record.

I personally think explaining why a parent is disciplining a kid has a LOT to do with the kid learning the lesson, not just the actual discipline itself, whatever form that may take. I've seen a fair number of people spank their kids without even saying why. STOP THAT RIGHT NOW! *spank*

Sure, the kid knows whatever they were doing was wrong because of being spanked, but they might very well think it's wrong for the wrong reasons if the parent doesn't explain it, and in my experience, parents that regularly spank or strike their kids skip out on the "explaining" part a lot more than those that discipline through other methods, or that only rarely spank their kids.

Think I'm projecting all you want, but an indisputable fact is that it's SIGNIFICANTLY less effort to spank a kid to discipline them than to discipline in other ways. Can't argue that 20 seconds of spanking is as much work as making sure a kid sits in a chair for 20 minutes, or whatever.

It's like the kids you see that start screaming in Toys R Us for a toy...Some get spanked on the spot, some get the toy, and some get taken out of the building. The latter being by far the right way to handle it, in my opinion. So, claim I'm projecting all you want, but I don't see how anybody can defend striking kids as not being lazy. It's the easy "out". Effective some of the time? No doubt. I also know some people that were spanked a lot as a kid that absolutely raised hell through their whole childhood and teenage years, and I'm guessing you both have known some of the same.

I also agree with this. To me, spanking is a last resort discipline.

PS Definitely take your kid out of the store.

Because it was the damned hairbrush that I was terrified of.

Trust me, you don't need to second-guess my brain here. I know what worked.

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Hairbrush? What kind of weird shit did your parents do to you?

Hairbrush is a great beating tool. Well, every good mom knows that anything in her hand is a great beating tool.

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No, they would never make a "sane and stable" individual into a killer.

Of course, most killers are neither "sane nor stable".

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I played video games heavily starting at age 5.

I truly believe a have superior hand eye coordination because of it.

Too bad I have ADD and can't read one page of a book I'm not interested in without literally falling asleep, forget things I need to do all the time, and never finish projects.

I'm not saying the two are related, just that hand eye coordination is only so useful. Probably helped me shoot when I was in the marine corps but that's about it.

If there we're no guns that unstable person wouldn't have access to guns.

Shut up, dummy. For real, I know you lean right. The founding fathers would rape you with the 1st amendment. You're a fucking, DUMMY.

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Anti-gun activists are operating under a false dichotomy, that "no guns = those deaths caused by guns would be prevented". Guns aren't the onus to kill. Violence, anger, desparation, mental illness, etc., are the root causes. If someone who is in such a hyperbolic frame of mind to kill has one tool taken away, their reaction isn't "well, I don't need to kill today." If someone wants to do something, they'll find a way to do it.

Access doesn't have anything to do with it. And a ban/illegality of something certainly does not equal a lack of access to it. That much is exquisitely obvious.

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Umm, Sailor, I agree with you. My point is DTex using the video game arguement is just as pathetic as the "world without guns" arguement. And, the arguements contradict each other.

Maybe you missed that

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No you fuckin twit, I'm not using any such argument.

I am not subscribing to a one size fits all argument that some of you do. The answer is not 100% either way.

I am open to the possibility that a "fucked up" individual (which you have much knowledge of) might be influenced by video games. The vast majority, including Roland, won't be affected at all.

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the point to the whole "spanking" topic i brought up, was not to claim it was the most effective way to raise a child... it was effective for me, and my siblings.. but whatever the punishment you were brought up with, be it spanking, timeout, groundings, etc... if it taught you that you were responsible for your actions, and that your misbehavior would have severe consequences , and you learned right and wrong from this, then it was effective.. and i'm all for it... this still however does not guarentee your kid won't go out and shoot up a school in their teens... but hopefully would have engrained the thought that if i do this, i will be in serious trouble. which is why i feel it's not only important to punish your child whe they've done wrong, but be a parent and tell them why, and also be nosey and no what's going on in their lives; too many parents especially the younger ones, want to be buddies with their kids and not parents..

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Fathers teaching their sons to hunt to provide food for the family 5,000 years ago are the reason some of those sons turned into serial killers back in the day. All this violence, it's so awful.


Well damn, as long as it's effective, the means are irrelevant. Good to know. I'm going to pop a cap in my kid's ass to teach 'em how to behave whenever I end up having kids. That's what real men do!


Actually, no, even just plain old spanking is still fucking stupid and can cause serious problems later in adult life for those kids, despite every single adult who was ever spanked, ever, being a perfectly responsible and well-adjusted adult with no problems whatsoever.

Fucked up individuals are more dangerous with guns. Should we abolish those?

Personally, I'm more into the 1st than 2nd amendment. But, I don’t want to alter the 2nd amendment, as you do the 1st.

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Please, oh please show me my thoughts on that.

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