The Jaguars makes a lot of sense.
Maybe for Cecil Shorts and their 3rd round pick.....
There's also the Jets perhaps.
joeshaney wrote:The Jaguars makes a lot of sense.
Maybe for Cecil Shorts and their 3rd round pick.....
There's also the Jets perhaps.
hawktawk wrote:KC. We trade second round picks and then select Margus Hunt to go along with our first round selection, Cordarrelle Patterson.
joeseahawks wrote:Jaguars are getting Tebow.
Cardinals are getting Mike Glennon from NC State
KC is going to get Flynn. We better get one of their studs.
pinksheets wrote:joeseahawks wrote:Jaguars are getting Tebow.
Cardinals are getting Mike Glennon from NC State
KC is going to get Flynn. We better get one of their studs.
Uh, why?
Andy Reid rips people off with backup QBs, not the other way around. He's not going to give up an elite player for Matt freaking Flynn.
joeshaney wrote:pinksheets wrote:joeseahawks wrote:Jaguars are getting Tebow.
Cardinals are getting Mike Glennon from NC State
KC is going to get Flynn. We better get one of their studs.
Uh, why?
Andy Reid rips people off with backup QBs, not the other way around. He's not going to give up an elite player for Matt freaking Flynn.
I agree with you, however, it sounds like you are undervaluing Flynn.
The guys a good, starting caliber quarterback. I don't expect us to get a first round pick or likely even a second. Nonetheless, for any of you who think he won't be targeted by teams in need of a qb, you are blinded by Russell Wilson's success.
Matt Flynn is a good QB plain and simple. He's not a worthless asset as some of you seem to assume. He will either be in Seattle next year or net us something of value.
pinksheets wrote:joeseahawks wrote:Jaguars are getting Tebow.
Cardinals are getting Mike Glennon from NC State
KC is going to get Flynn. We better get one of their studs.
Uh, why?
Andy Reid rips people off with backup QBs, not the other way around. He's not going to give up an elite player for Matt freaking Flynn.
SeaTown81 wrote:"You're undervaluing Flynn!"
"No, you're overvaluing him!"
"Shut up!"
"No, you shut up!"
I think it's hilarious how this argument has morphed over the last year. I most definitely side with those who say certain fans are massively overvaluing Flynn. And I really don't think too many are saying he's a bum. Just overly sensitive folks taking "he's not amazing" comments way too harsh.
I disagree that any team trading for him is going to do so because they think he's amazing and the man. We acquired him last year while at the same time drafting a rookie that we liked a lot with a decently high pick. I could most certainly see another team do the same. Acquire Flynn as a low risk starter for the interim while also drafting a rookie with a 2nd or 3rd rounder to develop. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see that happen.
Largent80 wrote:Seattle.
Largent80 wrote:Seattle.
RichNhansom wrote:I to believe Flynn is the best FA option this off season and there is definitely a much better market for his services but I still don't know how hot a commodity he will be, there are just to many factors that come into it.
RichNhansom wrote:But Volungshawk which Alex Smith are you going to get because there is alot more poor stats on him than good. If my GM expects those good numbers without the best O-line in football, Crabtree, Davis, Gore and a defense that allows you to be patient, I want my GM fired. Ignore all the stats and ask if he passes the eyeball test.
Again I disagree with you about Smith and Flynn and I am willing to make a sig bet if you like that Flynn will dramatically out perform Alex Smith next year and the reason I believe that is we have seen Smith perform poorly but even in a new system woth all new team mates we have yet to see Flynn play as poorly as Smith has the majority of his career.
RichNhansom wrote:But Volungshawk which Alex Smith are you going to get because there is alot more poor stats on him than good. If my GM expects those good numbers without the best O-line in football, Crabtree, Davis, Gore and a defense that allows you to be patient, I want my GM fired. Ignore all the stats and ask if he passes the eyeball test.
Again I disagree with you about Smith and Flynn and I am willing to make a sig bet if you like that Flynn will dramatically out perform Alex Smith next year and the reason I believe that is we have seen Smith perform poorly but even in a new system woth all new team mates we have yet to see Flynn play as poorly as Smith has the majority of his career.
RichNhansom wrote:I guess we'll agree to disagree. I think you can look at the preseason games and easily extrapolate expected results based on all the throws, defensive reads, speed of getting the ball out and adjusting for horrific timing of key drops. Only if you discredit Flynn for receiver drops can you grade him poorly but the ball in 90+% was put were not only it should have been caught but was placed in a leading position that positively impacts YAC.
I honestly believe Flynn has better value than Smith and I would be surprised if the Niners will garner as much as Seattle will for each. Neither are UFA's and they're contracts are not hat dissimilar so we will see how things play out. I know I would be worried about my FO if they viewed Smith as viable starter and how each gets treated as far as traded or released as well as how each performs next year is my exact point.
If I am playing GM and need a QB to start for me next year, I am willing to invest more for Flynn than Smith. There are plenty of dumb GM's out there or we wouldn't have got anything for Jackson but I think the smart ones will actually look at the performances rather than the stats and will see more potential in Flynn.
RichNhansom wrote:Smith is so good that his coach replaced him mid season for a completely unknown. Not a guy with a couple amazing performances. He went with the unknown based off extremely limited information and in the middle of a super bowl run. You seem to have forgotten that or even question why a coach would go with the less experience. It is a reason why I think others will view Smith similarly.
You can call me fan boy but not without acknowledging that your just a hater. I'll take mine if you take yours.
joeshaney wrote:Bradley's defense went up against Flynn in practice daily and he is sure to have and likely still have access to whatever evaluations of Flynn that are relevant. Does this mean that Bradley is a shoe in to be drooling over Flynn? No, but he will certainly have a solid basis for determining the guys value. Blaine Gabbert, on the other hand, is a worthless bum. Let's not get blinded by his draft status and recognize the in his many opportunities to produce hes proven himself to be a significantly worse option than even Henne.
drdiags wrote:joeshaney wrote:Bradley's defense went up against Flynn in practice daily and he is sure to have and likely still have access to whatever evaluations of Flynn that are relevant. Does this mean that Bradley is a shoe in to be drooling over Flynn? No, but he will certainly have a solid basis for determining the guys value. Blaine Gabbert, on the other hand, is a worthless bum. Let's not get blinded by his draft status and recognize the in his many opportunities to produce hes proven himself to be a significantly worse option than even Henne.
You are making assumptions in relationship to how the Jags view Gabbert. Is the owner willing to eat the investment or will he insist on giving Gabbert another chance, with competition from Henne or some mid-level veteran to provide competition? Not blinded to draft status but it isn't my money to totally write off the guy. Would Flynn want to leave one situation for another with no guarantees of starting? He doesn't have much say but he has some.
Yep, the 1's vs the 1's was done quite a bit during the regular season practice but there were times Flynn practiced against the 1's on defense. Portis was here for awhile, running scout team against the 1's. Yep, Flynn's evaluation was available to Bradley. Does Bradley have enough info to make Flynn his first major acquisition and would Caldwell buy in?
joeshaney wrote:RichNhansom wrote:Smith is so good that his coach replaced him mid season for a completely unknown. Not a guy with a couple amazing performances. He went with the unknown based off extremely limited information and in the middle of a super bowl run. You seem to have forgotten that or even question why a coach would go with the less experience. It is a reason why I think others will view Smith similarly.
You can call me fan boy but not without acknowledging that your just a hater. I'll take mine if you take yours.
Couldn't agree more. Smith certainly has a more expansive resume, but what does it really say.
A team knows exactly what they are getting with Smith. A inconsistent, mediocre quarterback who hasn't done anything impressive.
Flynn's mystery is definitely the issue, but that is exactly why I see him going to the Jaguars.
If Gus Bradley does not see Flynn as a starting QB in the league, we could hang on to him knowing Flynn's market value is not worth moving him.
If Gus Bradley does like him to start he will have no problem sending a 3rd round pick at the least.
In Jacksonville, Flynn would have a decent set of weapons to work with in Jones-Drew, Blackmon, Shorts, and Bennett. With a little help on their offensive line I think it'd be rather fun to see what kind of success Flynn would have. This way, Bradley and Jacksonville could shift their attention on their biggest problem (defense).
joeshaney wrote:
This is merely my opinion and only worth as much the next guys.
RichNhansom wrote:Smith is so good that his coach replaced him mid season for a completely unknown. Not a guy with a couple amazing performances. He went with the unknown based off extremely limited information and in the middle of a super bowl run. You seem to have forgotten that or even question why a coach would go with the less experience. It is a reason why I think others will view Smith similarly.
You can call me fan boy but not without acknowledging that your just a hater. I'll take mine if you take yours.
drdiags wrote:joeshaney wrote:
This is merely my opinion and only worth as much the next guys.
Same here. Not assuming I am correct, just discussing various angles. Not saying you are wrong, just responding to you after you raised some questions/counter points about my post. I have no stake in this discussion. Just thinking out loud.
volsunghawk wrote:RichNhansom wrote:Smith is so good that his coach replaced him mid season for a completely unknown. Not a guy with a couple amazing performances. He went with the unknown based off extremely limited information and in the middle of a super bowl run. You seem to have forgotten that or even question why a coach would go with the less experience. It is a reason why I think others will view Smith similarly.
You can call me fan boy but not without acknowledging that your just a hater. I'll take mine if you take yours.
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Smith had a concussion and wasn't cleared to play, man. He was out for two weeks, and Kaepernick came in and played really well, giving the 49ers offense an element it didn't have with Smith. Harbaugh chose to stick with the new guy (or the "hot hand" or whatever you want to call it), and he got a lot of flack over it - especially after the subpar performance Kaepernick put on against the Seahawks.
Quit trying to paint it like Smith was being ineffective and just got pulled for Kaepernick.
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