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  • pehawk wrote:
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    pehawk wrote:I said creepy liar (why do I feel like I'm kidhawk and you're you now?). I agree, I think its a closet-case thing. But, lying gets creepy when you make up dead broads for media love.


    Maybe he's a closet Necro??? :sarcasm_on:


    And you my friend are a nazi (I read that somewhere).

    I'm with Code. I cant believe ANYONE'S letting him off the hook by even acknowledging his victim angle.


    I need to add ".net Nazi" to my avatar.

    Ray Lewis was indicted for murder and we're screaming bloody hell for some web of lies about an imaginery girlfriend. I just watched some more footage on T'eo to get me grounded in reality. I'd be excited to have him as a football player if his draft stock falls and we get a bargain. Another chance for Pete to be stupid like a fox.

    If we don't get him and he turns out to be actually crazy, I do want the opportunity to go back and delete these posts that will potentially make me look stupid.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:I just wanted to let you guys know that i've just recently started dating Emma Stone's identical twin sister.


    Dude, I heard that she's got lupus and is pretty reckless with her Segway. Be careful.
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  • The Ray Lewis thing is a hard one for me. It's a "but for the grace of god goes I" thing.

    Not that I'm a gangsta thug, far from it. But, I've seen dudes get put into comas, legs broken, jaws shattered into paste via circumstantial punches or falls. Another inch or two, it easily could've ended up a homicide, EASY. Anyone in the early 20's, who ended up in fights, could've been Ray Lewis. Or, to put it another way, any of us.
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  • pehawk wrote:The Ray Lewis thing is a hard one for me. It's a "but for the grace of god goes I" thing.

    Not that I'm a gangsta thug, far from it. But, I've seen dudes get put into comas, legs broken, jaws shattered into paste via circumstantial punches or falls. Another inch or two, it easily could've ended up a homicide, EASY. Anyone in the early 20's, who ended up in fights, could've been Ray Lewis. Or, to put it another way, any of us.


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    In high school, Te'o had a 3.5 grade-point average and did volunteer work with the Shriners Hospital, Head Start preschool program, Hawai'i Food Bank and Special Olympics. Te'o also became an Eagle Scout in November 2008.[15] Te'o is an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).


    That doesn't scream creep to me. The girlfriend situation sounds more closet-homosexual or closet-religious than dirt-bag masquerader.


    fwiw.... when you are Mormon you are forced to do all those things (w/ the exception of GPA). Volunteer work, boy scouts, etc. If you don't do it you are looked at as a TOTAL outsider, bad kid, bad parents, and outcast.

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  • Anyone who's been in a barfight couldve easily had some douche slip and crack his head open. I.e. manslaughter.
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  • pehawk wrote:Anyone who's been in a barfight couldve easily had some douche slip and crack his head open. I.e. manslaughter.


    Have you been watching Con Air?
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  • 12evanf wrote:
    pehawk wrote:I've spent most of my life in a world of liars, thieves and masqueraders...I'm well-versed in people like this. You can dismiss that all you want, but anyone who's lived that type of life can recognize and identify personalities better than psychiatrists.


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    In high school, Te'o had a 3.5 grade-point average and did volunteer work with the Shriners Hospital, Head Start preschool program, Hawai'i Food Bank and Special Olympics. Te'o also became an Eagle Scout in November 2008.[15] Te'o is an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).


    That doesn't scream creep to me. The girlfriend situation sounds more closet-homosexual or closet-religious than dirt-bag masquerader.

    Ted Bundy did charity work too...not saying Te'o's that kinda creep, but a lot of creeps hide behind a kind, compassionate front.
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  • SuperHawks wrote:A lot of people are painting this issue as black and white when in reality it is probably mostly gray.

    Has he lied? Yes, there really is no denying that. But, the real issue here is what the intent was.

    If he lied to cover up the embarrassment of being in love with a girl he's never met online that's a whole lot less of a big deal than if he lied and was involved in a big conspiracy in order to get publicity for personal gain.

    It really isn't that hard to believe that he he lied initially to cover up that embarrassment and then had it spiral out of control rapidly.

    Who here hasn't spun a lie before where you have to keep lying so you don't get caught? Now imagine that the spotlight is on you 24/7 by the entire nation and having that pressure to keep the lie going by any means necessary. Not a pretty picture right? Don't know about you guys but I sure as hell wouldn't be chomping at the bit to fess up to all of this nonsense.

    Is he guilty of terrible judgement? Absolutely, no matter what else happens at the very least he's not only naive but not the brightest bulb because there is no way this wouldn't come to light at some point. Who knows, maybe he was just hoping to ride it out another few months until after the draft and then it wouldn't really matter if it came out. While embarrassing he'd still be set for life financially.

    All I'm saying is there are still plenty of unknowns here and to assume that it's automatically the worst case scenario and to absolutely destroy him the way he's been destroyed the past few days is at best premature, and at worst could be just flat out wrong.

    Having said all of that I have no idea what happened and he could turn out to be the POS you guys are claiming him to be but until I see all the evidence from both sides I'm withholding judgement.

    The part for me that is very telling is that he knew about the hoax at the VERY LATEST (I don't believe for one second he didn't know before that) on Dec. 6th and continued to push that story line in the public afterwards. Why? My best guess...he understood what the storyline did for his Heisman chances and his exposure during the BCS Championship game.
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  • -The Glove- wrote:Ted Bundy did charity work too...not saying Te'o's that kinda creep, but a lot of creeps hide behind a kind, compassionate front.


    Yeah but we usually look past creeps that can play football. Michael Vick and Ray Lewis both seem like bigger high risk people to me and they've broken past their stigmas. Manti can play football, somebody is going to take a chance on him. I'm not even saying we necessarily SHOULD, but I could see the Seahawks being the team that does. We usually don't pass by risky bargains.
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  • 12evanf wrote:
    pehawk wrote:Anyone who's been in a barfight couldve easily had some douche slip and crack his head open. I.e. manslaughter.


    Have you been watching Con Air?


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  • 12evanf wrote:
    -The Glove- wrote:Ted Bundy did charity work too...not saying Te'o's that kinda creep, but a lot of creeps hide behind a kind, compassionate front.


    Yeah but we usually look past creeps that can play football. Michael Vick and Ray Lewis both seem like bigger high risk people to me and they've broken past their stigmas. Manti can play football, somebody is going to take a chance on him. I'm not even saying we necessarily SHOULD, but I could see the Seahawks being the team that does. We usually don't pass by risky bargains.

    True...I actually wouldn't mind Te'o on the team. I just find this story incredibly sad, and honestly, really funny.
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  • You want to know what else is offensive? The fact the term "catfish" is being used. I was SO pissed off watching that, I thought it was real heading into it. 5 minutes in, I was livid and threw a lil tantrum over it.

    Catfish wasn't real either, assholes.
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  • 12evanf wrote:Back to watching T'eo as a football player, am I the only one that thinks he still has a place on the Seahawks? Potential top talent that may be able to be had at a bargain, just needs a gutsy team to take a chance on him... who does that sounds like?

    Even if he is "simple" or "child like," the dude has football instincts.



    No, you can't bring a jackass like this into the locker room. Guys won't respect him now, and any mistake will be amplified by the fans. Would much rather have a guy like Vontae then this clown. At least a guy who is to emotional can grow up, but a guy who lies for attention to the country is just creepy.
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  • One of the things NFL GMs often do that I don't believe in is completely removing players from their boards. That's how Tom Brady goes in the 6th round. That's how Russell Wilson reaches the 3rd round. I think if there is some feature you really don't care for, but the talent is there, you knock them down several rounds, but you never rule them out. Generally speaking.

    I would rule out Manti Te'o. If I was a GM, I would not even call him in UDFA. Scott has already said it better than I could, Te'o shows all the signs of a future cancer, and his lack of accountability could effect his ability to grow as an NFL player. Maybe he'll end up a pro-bowler for some other team, but to me the risk is simply not worth it.
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  • CPHawk wrote:
    12evanf wrote:Back to watching T'eo as a football player, am I the only one that thinks he still has a place on the Seahawks? Potential top talent that may be able to be had at a bargain, just needs a gutsy team to take a chance on him... who does that sounds like?

    Even if he is "simple" or "child like," the dude has football instincts.



    No, you can't bring a jackass like this into the locker room. Guys won't respect him now, and any mistake will be amplified by the fans. Would much rather have a guy like Vontae then this clown. At least a guy who is to emotional can grow up, but a guy who lies for attention to the country is just creepy.


    We have dudes that robbed drug dealers on our team..... Teo is a sissy.
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  • "Mr Te'o, hi, Mike Brown here....welcome to the Bengals"

    To pile on kearly, the Bengals are managing their team by targeting these types. Allows Brown to hold the financial leverage. Makes sense when you're a farm team, competing in the pros. Total sense.

    I was surprised they didn't take Polk, actually.
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  • The locker room is gonna react in a more favorable manner to Irvin than they would to someone who's lied for national attention.
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  • Throwdown wrote:The locker room is gonna react in a more favorable manner to Irvin than they would to someone who's lied for national attention.


    :th2thumbs:

    Who would you be willing to mess with? Dude that robs drug dealers with dreads that look like he was homeless for years or dude that is clean cut and can't get chicks.
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  • Fact is over half our player grew up with guys worse then Irvin, most didn't have the luxury of lying about fake girlfriends. They where busy with real life.
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  • I found an interview with Te'o discussing the loss. Is it just me, or is he trying to use this to get kooter?

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  • So, according to a dorm mate, he scyped his family on a laptop. He no scype supposed hoaxster?
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  • T-Sizzle wrote:
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    In high school, Te'o had a 3.5 grade-point average and did volunteer work with the Shriners Hospital, Head Start preschool program, Hawai'i Food Bank and Special Olympics. Te'o also became an Eagle Scout in November 2008.[15] Te'o is an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).


    That doesn't scream creep to me. The girlfriend situation sounds more closet-homosexual or closet-religious than dirt-bag masquerader.


    fwiw.... when you are Mormon you are forced to do all those things (w/ the exception of GPA). Volunteer work, boy scouts, etc. If you don't do it you are looked at as a TOTAL outsider, bad kid, bad parents, and outcast.

    signed, someone who was raised Mormon.


    Ummm 100% false.

    Signed someone who was raised a Mormon, still is a Mormon, has Mormon kids, and am a 5th generation Mormon. I got a bad GPA, wasn't in scouts, got kicked out of high school, never did volunteer work, and never had a problem with friends, parents, getting a job, getting into college, etc.

    I think every culture and community has their own standards for what they expect. Mormons are just normal people. There are no FORCED anything. Just as in all cultures, there are norms and mores that are common and TYPICAL, but there is no coercement to do anything. I always find it hilarious when people who are so "well versed" in Mormonism talk about the "requirement" to go on a mission. It's 100% optional. Only about half go. They pay their own way. Nobody is required. It isn't a bad thing as I think a lot of kids grow up a lot when they go. But not going has no impact on your standing in the church. I didn't go. I am still given all of the rights and privileges of every other Mormon, including my brothers who served missions.

    There is cultural pressure in every culture. I have yet to find a requirement though. Suggestions? Sure. Lots of things are suggested for people's own benefit in each culture and religion. That is how the religion sees them anyway. I've never seen anybody get punished in any way, shape or form for the things you mention above. If you felt pressure to do good in your life, then that's pretty much par for the course in EVERY religion.
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  • CPHawk wrote:Fact is over half our player grew up with guys worse then Irvin, most didn't have the luxury of lying about fake girlfriends. They where busy with real life.


    Exactly, plus the fact that Irvin was able to turn his life around, its gonna get you more respect in that locker room than I believe Manti Te'o would ever get in a locker room
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  • Looks like the whole "Manti was complicit" thing is unraveling. I wonder how people's opinions of him change. It looks like he was dumb to get reeled in, but it also looks like it was pretty elaborate as they did have a girl do the talking and so on. I know a girl who this same exact scam happened to. For all I know, the same people pulled it on her. It wouldn't surprise me. She bought plane tickets to go to SoCal multiple times to see her "boyfriend" only to be told that he got called away on work and so on. Then he also got "leukemia" and up and died. She got a call from his "brother" ending the relationship.

    What did they get out of it? She wasn't a "somebody" like Manti Te'o. They just liked screwing around with people's heads. They like to mess with people. They think it's funny. It is like the ultimate long con and it costs the person on the other end all of their time, effort, and even money, and they end up screwed over. You'll see this crap from bitter people a lot.

    This girl was my friend, and I had to unravel the whole thing for her. In the end she STILL believed her "soulmate" was dead. I put in a good 20 hours or so collecting documents and stuff proving that it was all a lie, that her "boyfriend" never existed, that he never had played baseball at San Diego State, and all kinds of stuff. She was devastated and embarrassed and ultimately decided she couldn't be MY friend anymore because I was here ripping down her dead "fiance'" and I had no class. Of course a couple of years later she talked to me again, but literally... she was angry at me over it, because she couldn't be angry at anybody else, as she couldn't even track down who she was supposed to be mad at. They used those burner phones from Wal-mart, they used made up email addresses, they even had a mail box at a Mail Boxes Etc. to run their scam. They weren't looking for money or anything. They were just seeing if they could jerk somebody around for fun.

    I think if anybody is a psycho here it's the Tuiasasopo kid, and Te'o is just his usual knucklehead/immature self that didn't figure it out until it was too late, because he saw a picture of a hot girl, and figured he'd get his NFL contract, they'd get married, and live happily ever after. I honestly believe that now, and it would be ideal for a Mormon kid to do so, because by having a long distance relationship, he avoids all of the pitfalls that would lead to a wedding that the family might not like as much (LDS lesson for the day... there is a difference between a "temple wedding" and a "civil ceremony"... Manti is pretty devout at this point, and I know his family would prefer he have a temple wedding. Anybody can get married in the temple, but to get a temple "recommend" you have to be able to answer a few basic questions and be prepared to go... you don't HAVE to get married in the temple, but parents really love it if you do and it is the preferred way. If you're already having kids together and stuff you can't get married in the temple, but you can go together and have a ceremony later and become "sealed" in the temple which has the same effect. That's what my wife and I and our children are doing and we are very excited about it, as we just had a civil ceremony one summer when we were in our mid-20's and realized that we were best friends and we made a good couple).

    So anyway, I think the fact that this kid got duped is something that teammates may make fun of him about, but I am at a point where I won't question his motives unless some real damning stuff comes out. I think he got tricked quite honestly, and I also think he's a good football player and will continue to root for him in life and on the field. I saw what happened to my friend and how despondent she was and I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Thankfully for her she met a nice guy a couple of years ago and they are now married and have 2 cute kids and are happy. I don't speak to her much, but when I do, I don't mention that situation because it sets her off. Which I thought was funny for a while, but now realize how much it just destroyed her self-esteem.
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  • Te'o is a pathological liar, minus the logical. Just come clean, kid.
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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:Te'o is a pathological liar, minus th logical. Just come clean, kid.


    Pretty much, just accept you got figured out and take the loss and move on with life.
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  • Shark, you're killing me with giving this guy ANY wiggle room. He was in on it, period.
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  • Until the girl who was catfishing and Tuiasosopo sit down and share how they pulled off this time consuming hoax, I don't buy it. Pranking is one thing, but the pure number of hours this faker would have had to put into this thing is staggering and pretty much unbelievable.

    Dude is still lying.
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  • There are many places the lie really breaks down, but the one that gets me is where in the interview with Schaap Manti says it never occurred to him to go visit the girl in the hospital after her supposed car accident or bout with cancer.

    You can't sell the innocent, all-in puppy love as how you got fooled and then be the guy who doesn't make the grand romantic gesture to get to the sick girl at all costs.

    But the entertainment value of watching this unfold is tremendous.
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  • I'm not following this at all, but I have found a lot of the responses here fascinating. Is it really so far fetched that someone was working on conning this future millionaire into believing that he was in love with this woman?

    I know what my first thought was when I heard this, but since this isn't in the Shack I won't go into it.
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  • pehawk wrote:Shark, you're killing me with giving this guy ANY wiggle room. He was in on it, period.


    I like to give people a different view on things. I don't mind stepping out of my comfort zone and saying something I may not even believe to get people to think through all angles. I like to consider myself a problem solver. If I can take a car apart and put it back together, or rebuild a broken laptop with parts from 3 or 4 computers, then I can certainly approach a situation in somebody's life and see it from different angles. I'm a teacher, and I'm also an alpha and beta tester. So it is the way I think. I try to see things from as many possible viewpoints as I can. That way I can figure out where somebody is struggling with a concept and figure out how they are thinking and teach them how to do it. It is also how I can think through how somebody might use a piece of software or hardware and come up with issues that I personally wouldn't come up with. I can find bugs like crazy, by being able to change mindsets.

    I don't see it as a weakness. I think it's a good way to approach life, so I do so.
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  • Tessi Tolutau is next up to confirm it was all on Tui. http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... -was-prank

    She's honest. I wouldn't hesitate to believe anything she says. Good rep. Good person. Has ZERO reason to lie.
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  • SharkHawk wrote:Ummm 100% false.


    I think you are both right. At least where I grew up, the "good" mormons were a lot like what T-Sizzle describes. The "Jack" Mormons tended to be more... free spirited. My neighbors were classic Jack Mormons. They were GREAT people, I loved being around them, then one day the parents swapped spouses with a police officer couple (by amazing coincidence) and when they found out, the mom brought out a hand gun and shot at her husband as he escaped for his life. The same husband would die in an unrelated car accident a month later. It was extremely bizarre- it was straight out of a hollywood movie.

    They were awesome people though. I miss that family.
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  • He said "required". Nothing is required of anybody. All cultures have expectations, and the ones he described are typical American values. It has nothing to do with Mormonism.
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  • SharkHawk wrote:[quote="T-sizzle]

    fwiw.... when you are Mormon you are forced to do all those things (w/ the exception of GPA). Volunteer work, boy scouts, etc. If you don't do it you are looked at as a TOTAL outsider, bad kid, bad parents, and outcast.

    signed, someone who was raised Mormon.[/quote]

    Ummm 100% false.

    Signed someone who was raised a Mormon, still is a Mormon, has Mormon kids, and am a 5th generation Mormon. I got a bad GPA, wasn't in scouts, got kicked out of high school, never did volunteer work, and never had a problem with friends, parents, getting a job, getting into college, etc.

    I think every culture and community has their own standards for what they expect. Mormons are just normal people. There are no FORCED anything. Just as in all cultures, there are norms and mores that are common and TYPICAL, but there is no coercement to do anything. I always find it hilarious when people who are so "well versed" in Mormonism talk about the "requirement" to go on a mission. It's 100% optional. Only about half go. They pay their own way. Nobody is required. It isn't a bad thing as I think a lot of kids grow up a lot when they go. But not going has no impact on your standing in the church. I didn't go. I am still given all of the rights and privileges of every other Mormon, including my brothers who served missions.

    There is cultural pressure in every culture. I have yet to find a requirement though. Suggestions? Sure. Lots of things are suggested for people's own benefit in each culture and religion. That is how the religion sees them anyway. I've never seen anybody get punished in any way, shape or form for the things you mention above. If you felt pressure to do good in your life, then that's pretty much par for the course in EVERY religion.[/quote][/quote]


    I guess we will have to disagree. I moved around a lot up and down the west coast and that was my experience. It's one of the main reasons I will never be going to church again. Every ward I was in growing up was that way. Not sure where you live but in southern California and Washington I found it that way.
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  • SharkHawk wrote:He said "required". Nothing is required of anybody. All cultures have expectations, and the ones he described are typical American values. It has nothing to do with Mormonism.


    Sorry, required was the wrong word. But if you don't you are looked at as an outcast. If you don't do what the group does they think something is wrong with you and gossip begins. I have had it happen to me in multiple wards.

    It has nothing to do with Mormonism ... It has everything to do with fitting in with your piers. I don't know anyone who would choose to be an outcast. So I felt required. Maybe you can't see it because you do fit in. If I didn't spend 18 years being judged I may have a positive outlook. I do agree it's not a church issue...it's a people issue.
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  • That's where I disagree. I live in Utah County, which is the most Mormon place on earth. I grew up for the first big chunk of my life in Seattle, where I was always active in the church and did all of those things. I moved to Utah and didn't. I am treated just great here and have ever since I got here in junior high and quit scouts, stopped going to the dumb service projects and everything else. I was never treated as an outcast by my ward. In fact, if anything, they seemed to be nicer to me as they were trying to win me over.

    I think it all depends on the situation though. You're right... nobody knows what we are talking about, but some wards just really suck and are full of judgmental pricks. They tend to end up in the same neighborhoods and then you end up getting treated like garbage. I just think that's human nature though. It's sad when it gets tied to religion, because that's not a church issue, that's a people are dickheads in general issue. No matter what, about half the people are cool, about half are buttholes. Religion doesn't change those numbers. :)
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  • SharkHawk wrote:Tessi Tolutau is next up to confirm it was all on Tui. http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... -was-prank

    She's honest. I wouldn't hesitate to believe anything she says. Good rep. Good person. Has ZERO reason to lie.


    Shark, I am not a criminal investigator but even I recognize the obvious conflicting statements that Te'o has made. Te'o had previously claimed meeting with her in person, and even after the news of the hoax broke he said he talked to her on the phone. Then you have the Notre Dame teammates saying they knew it was a hoax and Te'o was just having fun with it. Even if this was an extremely elaborate hoax by Tuiasasopo- setting up an actress to meet and speak with Te'o, it wouldn't have held up long because Te'o would have known the girl who's picture is on facebook was a different person. Even without the teammate confession, there is a lot of conflicting evidence that pokes holes in Te'o's claims.

    Then you also have the "changing story" aspect of this, with people claiming that Kekua really did exist, etc. There is a whole lot of lying going on. If Kekua is fake and Te'o innocent, then it means Te'o is the only person not lying while the ND teammates, the guy from the Arizona Cardinals, and family members of Te'o are all lying.

    I think Occam's razor applies. The simplest explanation is simply that Te'o was in on this lie, and now more people are lying to help cover his tracks and protect him.
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  • So who is on the phone with Te'o with for hours and hours while "Kekua" is in the hospital with Leukemia? Tuiasasopo is male. He'd need to bring in a girl to take many, many hours out of her life to complete this deception. Which would also mean she'd need to be a talented actress and never break character. And yet, this accomplice has never come up in Te'o's story. Why is that? Why haven't we heard who this girl was? Why would she do it? Even Te'o's cover story is yet incomplete because he ignores this critical detail. If I was Catfished and spent hours and hours talking to a girl on the phone, my VERY FIRST reaction would be, "who the hell was that girl I was talking to?!"

    And moreover, even if Te'o really was the victim, he still lied about it for a 3 week period in December. There is just no escaping the fact that Te'o is a liar.

    No disrespect Rob, but I couldn't disagree more. If anything, this whole situation highlights how the media is often too scared to ask tough follow up questions. I get why- they don't want a potential defamation suit on their hands. But because of that timidity, they are playing perfectly into Te'o's hands.

    Unfortunately for Te'o, NFL GMs will be far more pointed in their questioning. This story isn't going away any time soon.
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  • No disrespect taken.

    Te'o said in his interview with ESPN today there are three people involved - two males and a female. I don't have a problem believing there was a female accomplice involved here, who was willing to tag Te'o along for the phone calls. I don't see why she'd have to be a talented actress either. She'd just have to play along. I don't find that part bizarre at all. Not as bizarre as the concept Te'o is just making all of this up because he decided a few weeks ago that it'd be a great idea to invent a fake dead girlfriend on the off chance it would lead to an emotional surge to the National Championship.

    And yes he lied about it. He is a liar. But I believe that was to try and foolishly cover up what is an unbelievably embarrassing situation. He got in over his head and made a pretty retarded situation even worse.
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  • What is the motive for those pranksters? As Scott points out, this is a massive amount of time and effort, over years. The "extortion" angle is stretching it, IMO.

    Why would his own teammate(s) say he knew? Does that mean his teammate(s) are lying and just hate him?

    What about the stories that were written that said Te'o and Kekua met in person in 2009 at Stanford? Even on the chance that Te'o did not seed those stories, it seems hard to believe that he wasn't aware of them.

    He did not need to lie after December 6th. But he did, and it makes it harder to believe he's being completely honest.

    And we still don't know who this actress girl is. Could be another creation of Te'o or Tuiasasopo. Until I get a name of a real person and a confession from her, I'm not buying it.

    I was initially on Te'o's side on this. But as the details roll in it became more evident that his story isn't holding up. The fake GF thing is silly, it's the lying and persistent cover up lying that bothers me. The teammate aspect doesn't help things either.
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  • Yes, he already said his cousin was "the girl" that was in on it. For all I know they were going to make him give them money or expose his stupidity and then realized that means serious jail time if caught and made up the leukemia stuff to get out of it. People have online relationships all the time. The reason he lied about her being real? He was embarrassed. I'm not a huge Manti Te'o supporter when it comes to his brain power, and have said so for many months. He is kind of a major dumbass. That's why I am not surprised he is in a bad situation, but people who are coming out of the woodwork now with viable explanations are NOT dumbasses and are people that I'd put a great deal of trust in. So I am not ready to say Te'o was in on it. Upon more reflection, I don't honestly think Manti is anywhere near smart enough to pull off a stunt for publicity and exposure, because literally the guy is a pretty big moron. He's also not the most honest guy on earth, so I can see him lying about a relationship... meaning claiming they had met and such because if he told the truth his teammates and others would laugh at him for having an "online girlfriend" and not hooking up with the ladies, which I am sure were plentiful.

    Even though I think Manti is semi-stupid and not always honest, I also feel his commitment to his religion is strong, and that is where the lying kind of makes sense to me and helps hold his story up.... because I can see how he'd not want to "break church rules" and it is easy to get out of peer pressure situations if you always have a girlfriend that is in California and you don't get to see her until after the season. Again.... I've taken a few different approaches here for several reasons. I want to see how this plays out, and I'm not hedging my bets by going with every possibility. I am more interested in how it plays out and am playing devil's advocate in some respects, but when somebody who I find unimpeachable like Tessi Tolutau speaks out about it and her story seems to corroborate that Manti had no idea, then I start to go "hmmmm.... maybe there really is something there that clears him of any wrongdoing aside from being a chowderhead."
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  • This whole thing just reeks of bullshit. I guess for now there are so many liars out there that it's worth withholding judgement for a long while until we learn more.

    And FWIW, lying is a skill, much like acting. It is not an IQ thing (there are many brilliant people who can't lie for shit). The reason I'm a terrible liar is because my emotions betray me. I also can't act for shit when on stage. Good lying takes a lot of planning and thought, but given the holes that still exist in this story, and how the details rolled out progressively instead of immediately, I'm more convinced of Te'o's acting than his planning.
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