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Todd Robert "Bukakke" Bowles (born November 18, 1963) is an American football Defensive Coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals of the National Football League (NFL).

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 Post subject: Re: Cardinals just fired one of the better D coordinators
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Was he fired or quit, they wanted him as a coach possibly so unless he made a stink after the Arians announcement.

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cardinals are the second worst fan base. I'm glad this happen to them. I love how they always suck, but not enough for a good pick hahahaha

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cardinals are the second worst fan base. I'm glad this happen to them. I love how they always suck, but not enough for a good pick hahahaha


Good pick is a factor of talent evaluation not necessarily where you pick. Schnieder and Thompson and Walsh are a few guys that have proven that fact in huge capacities.

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According to PFT, Horton was pissed when he was passed over. Now he's out, I am assuming he refused to stay there. Man, not a great way for the new era of the cardinals to begin. Sure does make me smile though.

They just hired a 4-3 guy whose talented D gave up 31 points per game to take over a 3-4 D. LOL!

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Dude, WTF? The only thing going good about that team was the Defense this year. Arians was run out of Pittsburgh only to coach Luck for one season and now was the "hot" name coach they went after instead of a guy that proved to get the defense to play for him even with a crap season. Dumb moves for Arizona, Arians just made a big mistake going to a division with 3 good qb's and legit defenses for each team on top of losing a good defensive coach.

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It would've been in the Cardinals best interest to do anything possible to keep Horton even if that meant making him head coach. With him and that defense they are a quarterback away from being a legit playoff team. Without him the Cardinals have basically doubled their issues. Not only are they going to have to fix that abomination of an offense, they're going to have to completely re-haul the defense as well. I like Arians but he's going to find life in the NFL much more difficult without the talent of the Steelers or to cupcake schedule of the Colts.

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I think Arians is alright, slightly above average OC, but I noticed he loves that inside WR screen a little too much with 3 bunched overload and a TE or WR on the other side and pitch it/run it up the middle. That is death against a team like San Francisco for your WR. I would rather have Horton given the choice.

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 Post subject: Re: Cardinals just fired one of the better D coordinators
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The Cards just got worse. Horton was a great D-coordinator.

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 Post subject: Re: Cardinals just fired one of the better D coordinators
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Ah this has made my day. Those clowns have made the biggest mistake of the 2013 season and we're barely into it.

You couldn't make it up.


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 Post subject: Re: Cardinals just fired one of the better D coordinators
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The Cards were in a no-win situation here.

To keep Horton, they likely would have needed to make him the HC. It's not like they were going to find a solid HC candidate by saying right off the bat, "You can come in, but you can't replace the DC."

But Arizona's biggest need is finding a starting QB and being able to develop him, and Horton simply can't do that. I imagine when he was interviewed, he was asked about his possible choices for OC and how he would develop Kolb or whoever they went with. I guess by the way things played out, they didn't rank his answer as their top choice.

Arians has been known to be good with QBs. He was Peyton Manning's first QB coach in the NFL, was the OC in Pittsburgh when the Steelers starting passing more (and Roethlisberger put up bigger numbers), and oversaw Luck last year. So I imagine that played heavily in his favor when Arizona was making their decision.

In the end, I think they hope that the talent Arizona has on D will make up for whatever schematic changes do to the D, while at the same time getting a guy who can actually make their offense work. I think the goal is to change the team where it has a solid D and an improving O rather than an outstanding D and an absolutely horrific O.

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The hidden consequenses of this move: Some Cardinal D players seemed more loyal to Horton than to the team, and this is going to have players begging to get off of that team.

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From reading further about the fallout, it seems that Horton promised Norv Turner as the OC when he interviewed. Seeing as Chudzinski, the new Browns HC, just made Turner his OC yesterday, I imagine that hurt Horton's chances.

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I havent seen anything official. Are you sure?

Anyway there may be more too it if true. Horton and Arians were in Pittsburgh together so it msy be something personal. Taking this job leads me to believe he isnt very bright anyway.'


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 Post subject: Re: Cardinals just fired one of the better D coordinators
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http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/danbi ... ay-horton/

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As reported by XTRA 910′s Mike Jurecki earlier in the week, Horton told the Cardinals he could deliver Norv Turner as his offensive coordinator and Mike Tice as his offensive line coach. Those would be big-time additions, and Turner’s reputation as a play-caller would seem to mute any concerns about the offense.

That wasn’t the case. And that would seem to indicate there’s something about Horton that doesn’t make the Cardinals all that comfortable.

The situation is coming to a boil. Earlier in the week, a report surfaced that Bruce Arians would bring in his own defensive coordinator if hired by the Cardinals. Arians’ agent denied that report, but Arians wouldn’t commit to Horton on Thursday.

He told reporters that “it’s way too early in the process” to address a potential staff.

Of course, that’s nonsense. The interview process demands a head coach to reveal such things.

Now, Jurecki is reporting that Horton wants out.

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I was very surprised. He was a good D Coordinator. He will not have a problem landing a good gig


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Too bad he wouldn't coach our D line.


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From reading further about the fallout, it seems that Horton promised Norv Turner as the OC when he interviewed. Seeing as Chudzinski, the new Browns HC, just made Turner his OC yesterday, I imagine that hurt Horton's chances.


Horton as head coach with Norv Turner running the offense would have been a scary combination. So glad to hear that the Cardinals screwed everything up instead. :D


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Sounds like Horton is going to Cleveland. Good pick-up for them, and good for us that he's out of the conference completely.

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cardinals are the second worst fan base. I'm glad this happen to them. I love how they always suck, but not enough for a good pick hahahaha

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Horton with that Brown's defense is going to be good.

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