I'd take the criminal who looks you in the eye and shoots straight over the liar anyday.

Shark - How many NFL players you personally know?

Curious about your statement: "about 95% of the players in the NFL who are just really buttholes."

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The plot thickens.. for the fifteenth time...



http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr- ... ncaaf.html

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How many do I personally know that play now, or have played at some point? 2 different questions. I believe criminals are liars who take things. Liars who aren't criminals are just stupid. Why would you take the worst type of liar?

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1/12/39 - 8/7/08

A current criminal? Criminals and liars are about the same to me. It's deception. As an employer, I would avoid people who are deceptive. If a guy came in to my office and said, "Look.... here's the situation.... I stole a playstation 2 when I was in college, it was stupid, I paid for it ten times over, I learned my lesson.... I felt awful." Then that's one thing. If I found out that it had happened and he hadn't told me about it, then he's a liar. See what I'm saying. You don't want the double whammy/liar/thief.

Everybody makes mistakes. Yes, even me. I own up to them. I feel that's the only way I can be. I can't be deceptive. It doesn't work. Always covering your tracks. So if it turns out that Manti was being honest and was tricked, then I think my whole opinion changes. A remorseful thief? I can understand hiring. Especially if they said, "Look.... I know I've got to earn your trust. Let's lay out a trust plan for what I have access to, and with the understanding that we both know my past mistakes." Yeah.... I'd take that guy over a flat out liar any day. But a guy who walks in and lies about his criminal record and puts on a con job and I think he'd make a great employee... no I wouldn't hire him because he wasn't honest. If a kid came in and didn't come clean on having once lied about having a girlfriend, I don't think that's as big of a problem as the guy who lies and says he has no record.

Maybe we're talking about different things here. Having a record doesn't prevent you from getting a job, but not being upfront about it will eliminate you from employment at 99% of businesses in America. You have to disclose it. You don't have to disclose if you ever pretended you were hooking up with some island hottie. Or you don't have to tell people if you were hooking up with some island hottie without everybody knowing. Heh heh. Lips zipping. Zipppppp.

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1/12/39 - 8/7/08

In fairness, it's by necessity. I am a terrible liar.



That is hilarious.



That's almost bumper sticker material. On the money.

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"I believe there’s merit to the idea that once something in life becomes conventional, it’s no longer the safest path to success." -Matt Waldman
"If everyone's thinking alike, no one's thinking." -Bill Walsh

I just wanted to let you guys know that i've just recently started dating Emma Stone's identical twin sister.

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I am not LDS, but I grew up in Mormonville (northern Arizona on the border, near Navajo rez). Our town had 1 radio station at the time and it's main talk show was hosted by the wife of a local polygamist. My school was probably 70% LDS, and would have been far more if not for a large native american contingent. A lot of my friends growing up were Mormon.

Anyway, for those who don't know, Shark is 110,000% right on this. Seriously, I could write a book on the pressures that existed among young people in highly concentrated Mormon communities. Some violations of this code could even result from excommunication from both Church and one's entire family. Being cut off from your entire family after living your entire life in an intense family oriented world is incredibly daunting.

I can only imagine the pressure's you had to deal with. No need to break any code or anything. Saying "trust me" is enough for me.

Honestly, the first thought I had was that Te'o was gay. Talk about tremendous pressure to keep that under wraps. He probably isn't, but if he was, everything would fall into place pretty quick. Like you said, the pressure to conform is enormous.

Shark, my pastor was once a criminal many decades ago. He is the wisest and most humble man I've ever met in person. Sometimes people learn from making mistakes (including crime), but people who take lying lightly are less likely to reform and much harder to trust.

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"I believe there’s merit to the idea that once something in life becomes conventional, it’s no longer the safest path to success." -Matt Waldman
"If everyone's thinking alike, no one's thinking." -Bill Walsh

Even if Kekua did exist, the girl on the facebook page is not her. It is obvious that Te'o is complicit. I think Shark is on to something with his theory. Family/religious pressure's could have been a factor.

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"I believe there’s merit to the idea that once something in life becomes conventional, it’s no longer the safest path to success." -Matt Waldman
"If everyone's thinking alike, no one's thinking." -Bill Walsh

This is going to sound extremely bigoted and ignorant, but dude kinda looks, sounds and acts gay. If you assume he is gay alot of this makes sense. Some poor choices - but their choices you can at least comprehend.

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@ryanadamdavis

I hope during the NFL draft that Seattle tricks Manti Te'O into thinking that they're drafting him by calling him (assuming he's in the green room or on camera where ever he is at the time) and then they draft someone else and get his reaction on camera.

That's what he did to 3 colleges. Said he was flat out going there. Obviously he only went to 1.

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1/12/39 - 8/7/08

Breaking news, T'eo blames poor tackling in the championship on imaginary alabama players.

@Shark, not all criminals are thiefs. getting in fights, dui, weed, ect. And like I said, there are all manner of lies, some way worse than others. Cover up lies are bad news. Reportedly, the kid says he found out this was a hoax Dec 6, but then talked about the girl like she was real Dec 9 and Dec 11 on television at the Heisman award presentation. These lies paint the picture of a guy who connives, conspires, and has the wrong kind of pride.

Those are qualities that are prime components in a team cancer.

Think of it like this. You are GM, and a guy you will give lots of money to if you draft him has shown bad judgement, which is really what we are talking about. Does he justify bad judgement and paint himself as the victim (Lie)? If he does, he lacks accountability. Accountability is the backbone of team success. Gap assignment is about accountability.

This is a really big deal.

I just hope his pride isn't so wounded that he does something stupid to hurt himself.

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You can get rid of the criminal (who shoots straight) who takes things after one incident, the liar may take 3 or 4 before you can pin it on them.

I'll take both numbers, play now, or have ever played.

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Wilbon said on PTI that when he interviewed T'eo he was struck by how "child-like" he was. "Simple" was another word he used. He said during their interview he couldn't get past that.

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@ryanadamdavis

A lot of people are painting this issue as black and white when in reality it is probably mostly gray.

Has he lied? Yes, there really is no denying that. But, the real issue here is what the intent was.

If he lied to cover up the embarrassment of being in love with a girl he's never met online that's a whole lot less of a big deal than if he lied and was involved in a big conspiracy in order to get publicity for personal gain.

It really isn't that hard to believe that he he lied initially to cover up that embarrassment and then had it spiral out of control rapidly.

Who here hasn't spun a lie before where you have to keep lying so you don't get caught? Now imagine that the spotlight is on you 24/7 by the entire nation and having that pressure to keep the lie going by any means necessary. Not a pretty picture right? Don't know about you guys but I sure as hell wouldn't be chomping at the bit to fess up to all of this nonsense.

Is he guilty of terrible judgement? Absolutely, no matter what else happens at the very least he's not only naive but not the brightest bulb because there is no way this wouldn't come to light at some point. Who knows, maybe he was just hoping to ride it out another few months until after the draft and then it wouldn't really matter if it came out. While embarrassing he'd still be set for life financially.

All I'm saying is there are still plenty of unknowns here and to assume that it's automatically the worst case scenario and to absolutely destroy him the way he's been destroyed the past few days is at best premature, and at worst could be just flat out wrong.

Having said all of that I have no idea what happened and he could turn out to be the POS you guys are claiming him to be but until I see all the evidence from both sides I'm withholding judgement.

After reading this post, it's pretty clear you don't know how the internet works.

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Care to elaborate?

I'll take a straight shot Super; you're a rube. Color it anyway you'd like, Te'o's a creepy liar. And that's the opinion of a man who's actually done a stretch in a nut-hut, Te'o makes me look sane.

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@ryanadamdavis

Yep. What Ryan said. All of it.

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