Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin

kearly":385qadmb said:

Football technique is a bigger problem for Irvin than his size (added football to avoid "that's what she said" joke). Dan Quinn could legitimately have an impact there. I still think that Irvin is so far away that it would require a revelatory transformation to see him as a 3 down player. But if anyone could do it, Quinn could.

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Agreed, but "bigger" problem still means his size could be a problem. I don't know that it is...it just seems like it could be.

JKent82":1ysr42qj said:

FlyingGreg":1ysr42qj said:

pehawk":1ysr42qj said:

Umm, yeah, that helps my point.

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Not really. Developing as a WR, FS, and SS is more about the cerebral aspect of the game and learning it. Yes, Irvin needs that as well.

But the bigger concern is does he have the strength and size he needs? I'm not so sure. You can't just use speed as an edge rusher in the NFL - as we saw, tackles just learned to ride him right out of the pocket over and over again. Technique is a big part of that, but he needs to be able to attack with strength as well.

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Most DE have slow development, isn't it kinda notorious for having a large learning curve?

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Yep.

FlyingGreg":3fudr6eu said:

kearly":3fudr6eu said:

Football technique is a bigger problem for Irvin than his size (added football to avoid "that's what she said" joke). Dan Quinn could legitimately have an impact there. I still think that Irvin is so far away that it would require a revelatory transformation to see him as a 3 down player. But if anyone could do it, Quinn could.

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Agreed, but "bigger" problem still means his size could be a problem. I don't know that it is...it just seems like it could be.

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He is 9lbs lighter than Clem. <---------- Why does everyone here ignore that? Size is not a problem.

I actually love the arguements others are making on my behalf.

I could care less if Bruce ever gets it mentally. He just needs technique. And, IMO, for professional athletes it'll always be easier to learn new techniques than increase their in-game IQ.

And Scott, ahem, Brees. Brees made Earl look like me at safety.

T-Sizzle":cjwtjjpe said:

FlyingGreg":cjwtjjpe said:

kearly":cjwtjjpe said:

Football technique is a bigger problem for Irvin than his size (added football to avoid "that's what she said" joke). Dan Quinn could legitimately have an impact there. I still think that Irvin is so far away that it would require a revelatory transformation to see him as a 3 down player. But if anyone could do it, Quinn could.

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Agreed, but "bigger" problem still means his size could be a problem. I don't know that it is...it just seems like it could be.

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He is 9lbs lighter than Clem. <---------- Why does everyone here ignore that? Size is not a problem.

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It's not being ignored. As I said earlier, everyone is built differently. It's not just about raw weight differential, it gets into biophysical aspects like muscle fiber, tone, center of gravity, shoulder span, arm length, etc. Clemons looks a little more stout to me.

If you watch Clemons and you watch Irvin, you can't possibly tell me you don't see a difference in the strength aspect of how they attack an offensive linemen. Again, that could come from technique. But it's perfectly acceptable to wonder if Irvin has enough sand in his bag so to speak. I don't get why people are getting so defensive about it.

As a 3rd down pass rush specialist exclusively, I think he'll be o.k.

I agree with Kearly, PeHawk. He could really gain a lot from coaching. He is a tall guy and has too narrow of a base. Most of all he does not use his leverage well at all.

I think he will be pretty good once he figures it out. A swim type move would help, I would not call what he is doing adequate.

I don't see him as a 3 down player. He is just not the right body. His legs are to thin and long and he has trouble shedding blockers if they run right at him

Quinn can help, but Bruce has to take the lessons being taught to him and actually use them and work on them constantly. Kinda like how Russell, week by week, always seemed to improve a part of his game that the previous week seemed to be some type of weakness, like 3rd down conversions, redzone, etc.

Hawkfan77":rcevsm8f said:

Irvin was pretty dang raw coming into the league. He played end in a 3-4 at WVU! He's had little time to play end in a 4-3 and we all knew that it would take time for him to maximize his potential.

Even though he was so saw he still led all rookies in sacks. It's funny, most were very high on him before the ATL game and when he disappointed, a lot of those same people now claim that he's nothing more than a situational player or he needs a new position...

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Welcome to .net, where hyperbole and overreaction are the norm.
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8 sacks in a rookie season is pretty good. Especially as a situational pass-rusher. I'm not disappointed, although I do look forward to seeing what Quinn can do with him.

HansGruber":96maoqmy said:

Hawkfan77":96maoqmy said:

Irvin was pretty dang raw coming into the league. He played end in a 3-4 at WVU! He's had little time to play end in a 4-3 and we all knew that it would take time for him to maximize his potential.

Even though he was so saw he still led all rookies in sacks. It's funny, most were very high on him before the ATL game and when he disappointed, a lot of those same people now claim that he's nothing more than a situational player or he needs a new position...

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Welcome to .net, where hyperbole and overreaction are the norm.
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If it was up to the .net majority Flynn would have been the starter this year.

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Blitzer88":1ostx94y said:

Quinn can help, but Bruce has to take the lessons being taught to him and actually use them and work on them constantly. Kinda like how Russell, week by week, always seemed to improve a part of his game that the previous week seemed to be some type of weakness, like 3rd down conversions, redzone, etc.

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DE and QB are two different animals, and Wilson is in a class of his own.
Most rookies hit a wall. Just because Irvin had trouble playing leo the first game at the position doesn't mean he won't improve.

wait.... NO MORE SOFT ZONE? Idk guys, I can smell 13-3 or 14-2 now.....

It took Clem 5 years in the league plus Pete Carroll and Dan Quinn before he did shit. And he didn't record a sack until his 3rd game playing Leo. Bruce will be fine. He had 8 fricken sacks this year!

how many sacks did mario williams have his rookie year???

bruce gets 15 next year...callin it now.