Answer these simple questions: What do want done for justice in Benghazi? How do we get that justice?

I proffered my opinion and you danced around saying my examples were dissimilar.

My point, was that allowing the most powerful men in the world, ruin so many American lives, then giving them a reward for it, is a bigger crime than so called "terrorists" fighting, arguably, the most exploitative, greedy nation in the world, who are on THEIR SOIL.

Yes, death is serious, but the point is, that the crimes of these bankers, these oil companies (and yeah that shit IS killing people, though I'd expect you'd deny that), inasmuch as lives effected, degree of "wrongness", in a relative way, I see it as a far greater crime. We're talking about homelessness, kids growing up without the basic needs, and likely, in the future, the things done to the American people will cost lives in the way of suicides, murders, for that matter it already has, but it will continue as long as we keep tolerating it and getting distracted by "terrorist" attacks on foreign soil, or "murder" of the unborn.

A nation of fucking sheep! Give me my, SUV, my iPhone, and my 56" flat screen, and I'll bend over for you, sans Vaseline; that's what America is fast becoming.

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Are you saying in your opinion the only way to get justice is to declare war on libya? That's what you made it sound like by comparing it to Afghanistan. Libya is not complacent in the attacks as Afghanistan was in 2001. Do you expect us to hold their newly formed government responsible for something they had nothing to do with, and in fact played a role in assisting us?

What this administration needs to do is hold those accountable who attacked our people and killed them. We can arrest them, we can kill them, I really am not overly fussed about which one, but we need to do something to follow through on Obama's VOW OF JUSTICE. What has he done to follow through on this vow? We know what he's done to follow up on Sandy hook, why hasn't he done more to follow up on Benghazi?

Fine, you said you believe that is more important, that is fine. Start a thread asking about why Obama has done nothing about that. I am pretty sure we've discussed that in the past, and we all know the answer is MONEY. He wants it and they have it. It has nothing to do with why he so quickly acted to ban weapons and work towards gun control legislation, all the while, doing little to nothing about the tragedy in Benghazi. You can deflect all you want, it doesn't change the fact that this president is more focused on his agenda than what needs to be done.

WTF

How can you somehow say I propose war on Libya, and then resay what I think is a good idea, but make it your idea, and then say I'm wrong?

Obama is doing all he can do, which is put the attackers on a hit list and wait until they are dead. Then the media will report it. WE COULD GO TO WAR WITH LIBYA, BUT THAT WOULD BE FUCKING STUPID.

How are we supposed to arrest/kill someone when they are inside of a sovereign state? Don't you think that the US has been working with Libya to try and catch these guys?

As much as I want justice there's only so much we can do on foreign soil besides offer assistance to the country the aggression occurred in.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

You don't "wait untiil they are dead" you go and get them. There was an article in the NY Times where a reporter said that those who were responsible were seen eating, laughing and having a good time in a local hotel restaurant weeks after the attack occurred. If a reporter can see that, then there is absolutely no excuse for this administration to not have done something by now. We have past the 4 month point from when these attacks occurred and yet there has been no justice done. How is that a priority?

How would you feel if a fugitive from Iran was shot up when they were eating openly at a restaurant in Seattle by Iranian military members?

If they are able to do that then the US needs to pressure Libya more.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

We capture/kill people in sovereign countries all the time. Not even mentioning that Libya is not going to stop us from going after them if we want to. We have people on the ground in LIbya, this has come to be known since the attacks occurred. We had video surveillance of the attacks. There is no reason why we can't have done more about this. Of course, it could be that since there is no election anymore, that the rhetoric of justice is just that, rhetoric, or maybe Obama just doesn't feel it's worth the effort to go after them. We don't know, but what we do know is that the perpetrators of this attack have been able to walk freely for over 4 months.

Situations are totally different. If There were Iranian rebels in a cafe in downtown Seattle, we would have the capability to take them out ourselves. Libya isn't at the point right now where they can do that. They'd like nothing more than to stop these guys, but they don't have the ability to do it. They are holding themselves together by a thread right now. We, on the other hand, could easily do the job if we were so inclined. We are apparently not so inclined.

If Libya needs our help it's up to us as a nation that respects sovereignty to wait until they ask for it.

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Cuz we, as a nation, never kill terrorists on foreign soil...Get real

I'm sure there's a very good reason that we aren't going to know why these people aren't dead. What has Obama done that says to you "if he can take the shot, he won't"? Was it Osama?

Do you think we are just lettin Benghazi go? Awful presumptuous.

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Well, given that he's looked bad on Benghazi, not getting it back in the news cycle is better for his administration, so there is that.

As far as what makes me think it's not important is the fact that we've had reports on exactly where these guys are at. They aren't hiding like Bin Laden was, and yet we've done nothing yet. Not a damn thing.

Well, do you think, if they are pursuing these people, they are going to come out with the detailed plan, the hows and whys of the operation on TV? Maybe there is more going on than we know (SHOCKING!), how are we to know. Further, how much of what the media is telling us is accurate? I'm not really defending the administration, I really don't know enough about the case to do so, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Obama is handling it badly, but to act as if this isn't common practice, for presidents to push their agenda while ignoring things the people want done, is just silly.

Obama = bad president (but I still maintain better then Rmoney would have been)

Bush = worse president

Cheney = worst criminal to ever rise to power in the executive branch (In mine, and MANY other folks opinion).

Clinton = successful and popular, but I'd say, mediocre as a president.

Reagan = see Clinton.

Anyway, this politics stuff is depressing; that's why I've been away, got enough depressing shit close to home. One does get bored now and then though.

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What I'm saying is that if they were pursuing them, they'd have them by now, because of the singular fact that they aren't running away. They are still in the immediate Benghazi area. It's not like a terrorist who blows something up and then runs away to hide. These people consider themselves rebels and are fighting for extremist islamic beliefs in their area and aren't going anywhere.