New York just passed something I highly endorse. Maybe you need to wake the fuck up.

And, as usual, you're wrong again. Yes, if someone wants to murder they may find another way, but murder and suicide are more likely, and by a fairly large percentage, when a gun is easily accessible. People will much quicker use a gun to kill themself or another than by other means, it's a simple fact. The less personal, the easier it is to do and keep your "hands clean", the easier it is for someone to do.

I am not an advocate of banning guns, but a gun ban would reduce murder rates dramatically.

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Of the 38,000 suicides in this country, approximately 19,000 are done by a means other than firearms. So seriously, get with the facts.

Also, how many suicides are committed with the assault rifle they are talking about banning? I'm betting VERY VERY few. Handguns commit by FAR the majority of suicide by firearms in this country, but those aren't being banned, so your argument is what's wrong here.

Guilt complex? I never called YOU a nazi.

Hasn't stricter DUI laws dropped such deaths by over 90% the past 40 years or so?

Or, maybe I'm misreading this rube's point?

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You should've made him bet $100 to charity first.

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Exactly as I said, I didn't call you a Nazi, just compared you to them, and more precisely to "gun control nazi" more a turn of phrase than the political party. Another point of difference you seem to be having trouble with in this thread

Actually the way you worded it with the phrase "the rest of the gun Nazis" is including me in the statement. You didn't say I was like "A" gun Nazi, rather I am like "the rest of them" where they are not complete without my inclusion. So again you're wrong

I can start a game where I compare you to things if you like, though.

Good for you and New York. History indicates it won't do a lick of good, but good for you and New York. Perhaps you should go live there instead of trying to foist your idealism on the rest of the union. I don't agree with their law but I do believe in the 10th Amendment and appreciate that each state can have regional differences in law.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't New York just ban a bunch of types of guns, certain capacity clips/magazines, etc.?

New York, Washington D.C., and Chicago already have the strictest gun laws in the United States. I suppose that's why everyone is following suit with their kind of gun bans and laws. They want the same violent crime statistics.

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That's the part of the bill that will do the least amount of good, IMO. Especially in New York, organized crime just increased its market. Assault rifles have been a side show, most murders are committed with hand guns. More background checks, less ammunition, increased sentences, but most important the authority for a therapist to turn in someone mentally ill and dangerous if they own a gun, those are the reasons I like this bill. The last one already is the most contentious, but I'll be damned if it doesn't save lives. These are measures that will actually effect gun violence.

I know, I know, one of you will argue that all this does is take away the rights of law abiding citizens. If that were true this wouldn't have happened. People wanted to be treated like adults and play with their guns like adults. Well guess what? You guys fucked up. For a long time have been fucking up and now Mom and Dad are taking some of your toys away.

EXCUSE ME? I am the one who fucked up? Fuck you, you pretentious fucking child. How fucking dare you lump the vast majority of gun owners, myself included, people who are responsible with their weapons, with the likes of the few fuckheads who perform rampage killings? It is the actions of a minority of a minority that you are allowing to color your weak, short sighted perspective. It's assholes like YOU who are going to fuck things up royally for the rest of us as you parrot the fallacious claims spoon fed to you mindless automatons, by the mass media, in spite of the fact there is no factual basis to your beliefs. Bravo, you fucking twat. Bravo. Go watch more MTV, enjoy your reality television, and continue to live in your idealistic little dream world.

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Unfortunately for people like you, the people who made this country had such a healthy mistrust of central government that one of the first things they built into the Constitution was that it couldn't disarm its citizens. Your "fix" will only create an even bigger problem - citizens defenseless against criminals (funny how few stories of armed defense in the home don't go reported by the media) and against the government.

If Obama wants to start forcing things down our throat and tempt the House to impeach him, that's his business. But he's testing the very American spirit by doing this, and your lumping responsible gun owners in with lunatics like the Newtown shooter only proves that it's not being done with the proper perspective.

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The word "like" means it's a comparison. you can play grammar nazi with the sentence if you want (notice I didn't call you a grammar nazi), just like in the other sentence, I said you were "similar" to the rest of gun control "nazis".....even if you say I'm including you, it's still not calling you a nazi, it's calling you a "gun control nazi" not the same thing, just as being a grammar nazi is not the same thing. Of course I'm sure this will fly right over your head as well as any other logical statement seems to in this thread

Prohibition was not the answer.. TAX THE SHIT OUT OF IT..weed out the unwilling..

I say we take the NRA up with their offer. There is about 50 million household with guns in america (including mine).. With that power creates great responsibility.. Anyone with guns should pay say $1000 per year to arm our schools. That money goes to protect our children at EVERY school in america.. 50millon times $1000 dollar i bet we can afford it.. I am willing to pay to protect my kids..It's either all or nothing..

This money goes to pay for armed guards in EVERY school.. The gun companies can donate the guns (I am sure they won't mind).. If you don't want to pay turn in your gun.. Simple as that.. your choice.. Doing nothing is NOT an option..

I would find odd that you would think the people who made this country mistrusted central government so much that they created one.

Just because you're responsible with a weapon doesn't mean it should be legal. I think I can tell when I can safely drive a car after a few drinks, why won't they get rid of the BAC and just let me, as a responsible adult, decide?

The answer is simple. Not all adults are responsible. So how do you as intelligent, responsible adult figure out what to do? We don't make laws for the responsible ones. When I see 11,000 homicides a year by weapons we must look at a way to limit this. The same way we look at drunk driving and speeding deaths.

I don't understand why blow and goes aren't standard on vehicles. Let's just circumvent that altogether and have self driving cars?

Now that I offered a solution to remove road fatalities... what's your solution for ending firearm deaths? Smart bullets that only hit animals or aggressors?

You tell me what's better. Your right to have your weapon or reducing firearm related deaths by 90%+?

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Stop trying to put guns in my fucking schools.

You think you're going to tax gun owners $1000 per year? Jesus christ, enough of them already think we're a breath away from revolution. Does that mean registering every gun in existence?

It's probably the worst idea I've heard yet.

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Well it's an idea..

You don't want to pay??? Then give up your FOOKing gun asshole.. I am sick of hearing 2nd rights with no accountability.. i want my gun I need to pay for ANY measure needed to PROTECT the kids..

ANY OF YOU MF DISAGREE THEN FU!.. Thats Right - My kids mean more than your sorry ass guns rights.. I'll pay $1000 in a heartbeat.. Doing nothing will not do sir!

Some cock sucker wants an AK47... Go ahead.. I don't care but it's going to cost you.. It's simple risk vs reward... With that privilege to have AK47 requires some responsibility. You along with the other cock suckers need to pay to ensure our kids are protected.. Hey man it is what it is.. If I want a A47 i will gladly pay..