You smoked me out. I have an agenda - I am an anti-gun lobbyist .

Sailor showed some stats saying banning assault rifles would decrease gun homicides or deaths (I forget) by 2%; he scoffed at the number and I said 2% is nothing to sneeze at. That could be my wife or son, it only takes 1 death to take away a life.

That does not mean I am for banning, per se. Banning is typically stupid and just creates a larger illegal market. I am more for legalizing and making it more difficult on assault rifles than banning outright. People of high moral character, especially ex-military, should be allowed assault rifles for self defense. I'd sign that petition for sure. There should be rigorous standards though.

There should also be standards and training on owning any gun. That would cut down accidental deaths.

Since we agree (I think) that illegally owning guns is a bad thing, getting rid of gun shows that get gun owners off the grid is a good place to start. Any private sale that instantly loses track of a gun is crazy. Law enforcement must have a hell of a time in Washington.

First things first...There may have been something sailor posted that I didn't see, but the post I recall where he put the number at 2% was a "what if" type post, not any actual real numbers backing it up. More of a best case possible scenario for the ban.

Secondly, I have no problem with requiring people to take gun courses. I think guns should not only be allowed at schools, they should teach gun safety as (at least) an elective to students.

Perhaps if they mandated gun safety courses and knowledge to our youth, there would be less carelessness with guns and fewer accidental deaths. I bet this would do more to alleviate accidental deaths, than any assault weapon ban will do for the homicide rate.

Considering that the number of deaths caused by assault rifles is roughly 300 per year, 2% of that is what, 6 people? 6 people are enough for you to consider curtailing the rights of millions of Americans? Idiot.

Regarding accidental deaths, what you are not getting is that they are a GOOD thing. We WANT accidental firearm deaths as that's nature's way of culling the herd.

Law enforcement largely has no problems with Washington's gun show laws because the vast majority of those buyers are not criminals. Furthermore, many of the sellers are in fact dealers who are bound by federal law to perform the requisite NICS background check and BATFE form 4473.

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Don't call someone an idiot trying to save 6 lives because you think that assault rifles are a god given right. Why should 6 people have to die for a weapon that has no functional use in our society?

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But yet people are still allowed to drink (drunk driving kills a LOT more than 6 people) and people are allowed to smoke (smoking kills both the smoker and those who are forced to take in second-hand smoke).

If we outlaw everything that causes 6 deaths a year, we'd have a very short list of things to do

And drunk driving is banned and heavily regulated. There are results to show regulation is working.

Such a silly idealist you are. Sadly, they do have a functional use in society. Why that is can be debated until the cows come home, but they most assuredly DO have a functional use in society. Remember the LA riots? A lot of store owners fended off hordes of looters by taking refuge on the roof of their businesses, rifles at the ready. Subsequently, those store owners did not have their stuff looted.

What about after Hurricane Katrina when there were gangs of people raping women and looting to their heart's content? I imagine a high capacity rifle would come in pretty handy in such a situation.

Your naivete is staggering, young one. Idiots, both of you.

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Yes drunk driving is banned, so is shooting someone....drinking isn't so guns shouldn't be too right?

By this logic, prohibition should be in full effect. Along with the ban of many, many prescription drugs, fireworks, knives, and who knows what else.

You don't want to regulate, you want to ban. And that's the difference.

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That is a use. But people like you, I assume have no family, nor have loved anybody or anything more than they love themselves. Scoffing at 6 lives is pathetic, you truly are a cunt bastard. You will appreciate the praise, since you are an ego-centric buffoon that gets off on thinking he matters enough to get a rise out of a stranger. But your actual worth compared to your self worth, well there is a chasm of difference.

Drunk driving and guns.

Apples are red and oranges are orange.

Thought you cared about people not getting killed? Or is it you just have an agenda on guns?

It's not a matter of self worth, it's a matter of how much my RIGHTS are worth. Sadly, 6 lives, of the approximately 7 billion on this godforsaken rock, is nowhere near enough to make me reconsider my rights. You can allow your little heart to bleed all you want for the six people who would be saved every year "if only we didn't have these scary black rifles", but it won't make your opinion anything more than a knee jerk reaction with little basis in reality.

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I really like New York's new laws, would like to see them be the Federal standard. As for gun advocates, a lot of really, really, really bad apples spoiled the pot. This is why you can't have nice things.

I told you already, IM A LOBBYIST. If you cared about lives, you probably wouldn't like guns or drunk driving. I like neither. If there are ways to further regulate and prevent drunk driving, start a thread and we can talk about it.

Lobbyists get paid. You're just an idealist. And an idiot. An idiotic idealist.

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it's really not all that dissimilar. Prohibit the sale of alcohol and that will lower the drunk driving rates. Just like banning guns will lower the murder rate by firearm. Of course the difference is that people who stop drinking and driving because alcohol is illegal won't look for other ways to accidentally kill someone. Some people without guns will still find ways to kill someone.

Remember earlier where I said banning is stupid because it leads to higher illegal sales. This is where you apply that statement to both my position on guns and spirits. Regulation works better.

No, I'm a fairly intelligent idealist that promotes civic intelligence to solve problems. You are a big, fat loud mouth that shoots from the hip.

What you propose are fallacious scenarios that wouldn't work even in fairy tales.

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