Yay! A voice of reason!

As long as the people have the means to defend themselves against a governments tyranny, that government is MUCH less likely to ever become tyrannical. What you seem to think is that peolpe want guns so we can revolt from the government. The truth is that people want and need their guns so they never HAVE to have a tyrannical government to revolt against. Those who believe in the 2nd amendment understand this. Those who believe the 2nd amendment is outdated, believe they are better off hoping the government never goes against them.

You'd be in the minority to think that about me in here, but thanks anyway.

I mean I'm obviously a communist, because I think in a nation rich as this, healthcare IS a right. Why does anyone thing we have no Canadian immigration problem? That's another discussion of course, but it goes to show just how evil and socialist I am.

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Put down the crack pipe already!

Believing in the second amendment does not in any way mean believing the crazy shit you do. Some of us believe in the right to bear arms, but when it's easier to get a gun than a driver's license, there is something seriously fucked up going on.

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The government is not afraid of you and hasn't been for a long time. You think I'm overestimating the government's power, I think you are wildly underestimating it. We found Hussein in a hole in the ground and raided Osama in the midnight hour in whisper quiet helicopters. The government can track your phone's GPS and locate you in minutes. Unless you're some sort of Grizzly Adams/Rambo cross, your revolution wouldn't last more than 24 hours. And even if you were, I'll be nice and give you a week.

It's only crack smokers who believe that a government thinks twice about going tyrannical when the populace is armed and is more apt to be tyrannical when they aren't? Perhaps you don't follow history, but the first step in any government to create a tyrannical form of government is to take away the guns. Therefor, having 300 million people with guns is most definitely a way to keep the government from going to far outside it's boundaries

Not playing into it today kid, have your delusions, see if I care. Not gonna say it ain't a factor, but I've been in Britain, if that's tyranny sign me the fuck up!

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It's perfectly clear that you translate anyone who wants to keep their right to have guns as some far out there whack job who wants to kill politicians (your words) and revolt against the government. There is obviously no way you'll every understand that having guns is a reason why the government doesn't turn on the people. The right isn't there because people want to revolt, it's there so people never have to revolt. People like you who claim to not agree with the government, but in turn will trust the government to NEVER go tyrannical are the ones who believe the 2nd amendment is outdated. People like you will not be happy as long as their are guns in the hands of the civilian populace.

It's not tyranny today, but it has been in the past, and there is nothing saying it won't be again. Look at history, find the governments that have gone from democratically elected to tyrannical and tell me what they all have in common when it comes to guns.

If you guessed that they stripped them from their citizens you would be correct.

If you think it's even remotely possible that they are gonna take your guns, then you definitely need to put the crack pipe down. Legal controls does not equal taking your guns, but evidently that concept is too difficult for the average conservative to wrap their small, paranoid, and closed minds around.

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You and Sailor get to play spin doctor, but not me. Tyrants.

You know me as 12evanf and a picture of Mark Twain. I'm happy when I'm holding my son and being home with my family not when I dream of taking your guns. Get real.

I'm not saying they WILL take my guns. For god's sake man, look around, I'm talking about people like 12 who would like to have the guns taken away. If you want a more national stage for it being discussed, look at Piers Morgan. There are plenty of people who believe we should be a population without guns. THAT is who my posts are directed at. I'm not saying guns should be a free for all. Nobody in this thread is saying that. There should be rules and regulations. The points here are being made to refute those who believe we should be a society free from guns.

As far as regulations go, I think there can be a healthy debate on the subject, but not when you include those who are just using it as a stepping stone to their ultimate goal of taking away all the guns. I'm not saying you are one of those, as I don't know your full stance on the issue. I do know that there are those in this thread who'd covet not only gun control, but gun banishment. You can choose for yourself whether you agree or disagree with them

I'm not saying a ban on guns, nor have I ever. I'm talking about people like kidhawk, whom go ass to mouth, and won't talk about gun regulation because they think it is code for taking guns. Transfer of ownership is a necessity and gunshows are an embarrassment.

You are so full of shit. You have said that you would prefer that guns not exist. You have compared us with the UK and proclaimed how much better it is there (ummmm they banned guns, get the correlation?) Add to all that the fact that I've not only never stated that I was against regulation, in fact, I stated that I am for reasonable regulation, shows just how far you'll fill this thread with BS to attempt to make a point.

You - On record wishing there were no guns

Me - On record as saying that Background checks are GOOD

You - On record as wanting to ban assault weapons because less people will die (kind of wishy washy on hand guns though, where most of the homicides are caused)

Me - On record as thinking that banning assault weapons only means more murder by handguns or other means and solves nothing.

You - on record as seeing the 2nd amendment as antiquated (out of date with the times)

Me - Seeing that the 2nd amendment was put in as one of the top rights for a reason.

Sounds like you're pretty happy with the status quo.

Britain is evidence that guns aren't needed to hold the government hostage. However, we are already overflowing with them and can't get rid of them. So yes, I would prefer that we never had them in the first place, but there is no going back. Since we do have them, they are very useful for hunting game and self defense from bad guys that have guns. They are useless against killing the government.

The 2nd Amendment was written over 200 years ago when farmers carried flintlocks. The US was not a world power, and we just went through a violent revolution. Since then, automobiles and airplanes have been invented and the idea of total warfare has been discarded with the advent of nuclear armament.

There is renewed focus on the simple elegance of our Constitution, as maybe going back to basics will solve this country's many complex problems. That is just not the case, we can't ignore the other 237 years of American history. There is no reset button that allows us to go back in time and start over. Or is that what you're hoping a revolution will accomplish?

Again with your revolution bullshit. Nobody here is calling for a revolution. You just don't get it. You equate having guns as a deterrent to having guns so we can have an armed revolt. Until you grasp that difference, you will never understand the 2nd amendment, and it's people who refuse to understand that glaring difference, and continue to make idiotic claims about people who believe in the 2nd amendment wanting a revolution that keeps the debate roaring on. Get a clue

I get it. Its like holding a gun to my head, but telling me I'm silly for thinking that you may want to pull the trigger.

clearly you don't get it at all

OK, Ok, ok.

Its like having a gun in the closet to ward off intruders. Hopefully you never have to use it, but just by entering your home the intruder knows he is taking a BIG risk. (Hint: the intruder is the government)

Now in my story the intruder isn't Obama in a ski mask, but rather a team of Navy Seals armed with the most advanced technology this world knows. Game over.

300 million navy seal teams striking at once? Is that the game? You really don't get it at all. You have an agenda and you can't/won't see anything that differs.

As I said before, we can fix the background check issue so no gun can be purchased without one. I have NO problem with that whatsoever.

Banning assault rifles doesn't do a bit of good to fix the actual problem of gun violence in this country and only works to make people like yourself maybe feel a little better.

Banning guns altogether just isn't an option under our constitution.