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 Post subject: Assuming Flynn's traded - who do you want?
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I know some will want to keep Flynn, but I think he gets traded. It makes to much cap sense, and it also goes along with this FO doing "right" by their players.

Flynn wants to start, and I think the Seahawks FO will do whatever they can, within reason, to facilitate Flynn's preference. I'm a proud Seahawks fan for a lot of reasons, but I was really proud of how the FO treated Tavaris last preseason. He was traded instead of being released outright; to give him some dignity (maybe there's a better word choice there) on the way out. Tjax EARNED that type of exit...he's one classy and tough SOB.

With all that, who would YOU want the Seahawks to bring in to back up Wilson? To keep this hypothetical within reasonable boundaries lets restrict it to 1 vet FA and 1 late round draft pick. Here’s a list of FA’s;

Brian Hoyer – ARI
Luke McCown – ATL
Joe Flacco – BAL
Tarvaris Jackson – BUF
Tyler Thigpen – BUF
Derek Anderson – CAR
Jason Campbell – CHI
Josh McCown – CHI
Bruce Gradkowski – CIN
Drew Stanton – IND
Brady Quinn – KC
Pat Devlin – MIA – (Ex)
Matt Moore – MIA
Chase Daniel – NO
David Carr – NYG
Matt Leinart – OAK
Charlie Batch – PIT
Byron Leftwich – PIT
Kellen Clemens – STL
Rex Grossman – WAS
Vince Young – FA
Sage Rosenfels – FA
Seneca Wallace – FA
Donovan McNabb – FA
A.J. Feeley – FA
Troy Smith – FA
Chris Redman – FA
John Beck – FA
Stephen McGee – FA
Jordan Palmer – FA
J.P. Loseman – FA

Of those, I’d LOVE Chase Daniels – but it would be a lateral move for him. So, as much as he’s ripped here, I’d prefer Tjack.

For the developmental QB, I’d REALLY prefer Denard Robinson just to be a nice toy. But, there’s no way I’d trust him to play a game or two at the position. So, I’m going to go Colin Klein or….crybaby’s brother Jordan Rogers. Picking Rogers on a gut hunch. So my QB depth chart would be;

1)Wilson
2)Tjack
3)JRogers

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There should be a fair number of current starters released too no?


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I dont know Salamander.

Alex Smith, Tebow, Shaub come to mind.


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Matt Flynn is the future and thus cannot be traded

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If they move him though I imagine they'd want someone athletic enough to run the same offense as Wilson in the event he got injured. Tarvaris could probably do that.

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from that list I'd take Joe Flacco as a backup and draft a 3rd string QB

that would work right??


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Matt Flynn is the future and this cannot be traded


Ha.

You should REALLY try to do the same thing next year with another player and position, that you did with Flynn this year. Maybe Obo or Butler? Every year argue with all of us over someone who should be starting. It'd be hysterical - and by that time no one will know its a ruse.

BIG PROPS to you for laughing at yourself and allowing us to laugh too. For real, big props.


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I'd take Gradkowski and Matt Moore off that list for certain.

Not sure about Chase Daniel.

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I think Matt Flynn will stay, but I won't feel too good if T-jack ever has to start again for us. He's a warrior, and can handle the hits, but we already know he is completely unreliable when it comes to crunchtime and we need to make a comeback. PC and JS like a QB that tilts the field, and can you truly tilt the field by not willing the team to a comeback?

I think maybe the FO will look for a sorta Russell Wilson player that falls again. Of course, Russell Wilson himself is a generational player, with his height succeeding how he is, so it will probably be a more flawed player. Still, gimme a developmental guy that can be traded later for maybe a 4th or so, like Flynn a little. This FO likes draft picks, that's for sure.


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Moore - okay. Gradkowski? Dude HAS to be in his 30's, right?

I maybe wrong, but Chase is fairly athletic AND ran similar schemes at Mizz. Right?

And, with TJack, I think he'd be surprising in a situation where he's not the starter. Different mindset, entirely. There's zero pressure. I have nothing other than my uterus to back that up though.


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I would draft one or two rookie QBs with a similar skill set to Russell in the later rounds. Let them develop .... thats what Green Bay does.

We have 10 picks.

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Moore - okay. Gradkowski? Dude HAS to be in his 30's, right?

I maybe wrong, but Chase is fairly athletic AND ran similar schemes at Mizz. Right?

And, with TJack, I think he'd be surprising in a situation where he's not the starter. Different mindset, entirely. There's zero pressure. I have nothing other than my uterus to back that up though.


I wouldn't say mizzou's scheme was similar to ours. It was a lot more 'spread-y' if I'm remembering right.

I like Gradkowski because of his age and experience. Like Garcia was for a few years, he can be a very competent backup who could win some games on an otherwise good team if called upon.

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I'd be happy to go with one of our old backups and see if they can run the read option. I do not want a pocket passer as a backup, I'd rather keep our offense consistent. Bring back TJack and Seneca Wallace and draft a project in the mid-rounds!

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I'm with ya on Seneca. Dude wont take sacks, throw picks, or put the team in a bad position. In Cleveland Delhomme openly ripped him for being checkdown Charlie. Seneca would put up stats like 20/25 for 98 yards, routinely there. With the talent the Hawks have, that's PERFECT. But, I think he's too old for this FO's taste at this point.


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but isn't old good until a bonafide project evolves? Both TJack and Seneca have relatively little wear on their treads for their age. At least they have experience and can manage the game. Bring them both in to battle for the backup in the new offense.

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Matt Moore would be ideal. I would even consider Troy Smith....only because Pete talked about getting a backup that can do some of the things Russ can do. To me that means they are looking for a little athleticism. From the draft, I want Taylor Martinez as a project/3rd string guy (If he were to declare, which it is probably likely he returns for his senior year). Perfect skill set to run a similar offense if Russ were to go down.


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Ooooohhh, Taylor Martinez! Great call! Forgot about that dude.


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I feel like I'm gonna get flamed for this, but maybe Pete could turn a guy like Vince Young into a serviceable backup.

No?...ok I'll show myself out...

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Hey, I wanted VYoung brought in in 2011 for a look.

There's a creepy poster/stalker here who brings up the fact I wanted Vince brought in for a look, about every other day, to garner my affections. So, dont feel bad about that thought (but you might need a cease and desist).


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I just don't think Vince Young's potential reward is worth the risk. I'm not diametrically opposed to it as many others on here are, but I just feel like there are much better options available for us without the risk of being a complete headcase.

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Whichever one of those guys up there is most like Russell..that's who I want backing him up.

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Vince did some jawdropping things at Texas and with the Titans. His play and on-field enthusiasm (when not suicidal) are a definite match. Maybe a year away humbled him?


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Wasn't Vince Young begging Larry Fitzgerald for a job this season on Twitter?

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Vince did some jawdropping things at Texas and with the Titans. His play and on-field enthusiasm (when not suicidal) are a definite match. Maybe a year away humbled him?


I agree he did great things in College and at the Titans, but the risk still just seems a tad high to me.

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I think they almost have have to trade him. The pay difference is 700k vs 5-7 million.
There are good number of 3-6 million DL, TE we could get I suspect and a draft pick

Sadly trades are still pretty Rare unless it is for picks. So I'd take a 3rd-4th


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I'm with ya puppy. I think in this situation, the Seahawks may not have the leverage, depending on the cap hit. So, even a 5th is gravy.


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I would rather keep Flynn over a 7th round pick. A lot of that money was front loaded, he's had a year in our system, and his record as a backup is pretty good. Keeping him does not affect the third string developmental slot, since the salary of a late round pick is negligible. Obviously Flynn would like to start somewhere, but the #2 QB is always one play away from being the starter and the most important player on your team. Our running game and defense is too strong to risk a lost season from a single injury.

For the developmental slot I wouldn't mind an early round pick. I know that would freak people out, but with the rookie wage scale even our first round pick ($1.8 mil/year) and second round pick ($750k/year) can sit on the bench without screwing the salary cap. It's going to be tough for rookies to make our team next year anyway, and that #3 QB spot is a great place to spend draft capital. If the best player on our draft board is a QB then we should pull the trigger regardless of the round.

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Dib, good stuff. IIRC, kearly listed Flynn's hit as $7M in '13. That change your mind?

There's no way to know for sure, but Wilson seems like an Eli, Peyton, Marino type player who will avoid injury.


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Well if I was jacksonville I would load up with Michael Vick, Vince Young, Tim Tebow and then try to get Reggie Bush and run the wildcat......

but we are Seattle Seahawks so I don't want any of those guys

Matt Moore hands down. Seneca Wallace as 2nd string is really cheap and allows us to work with a 5th rounder to see what can be made

Tjack - for obvious reasons

I would also be interested in the ones below. My whole thinking here is if you trade Flynn you are doing it for money saving only. Then don't go and sign a $3million guy - if you do the money saved isn't worth it

Drew Stanton – IND
Chase Daniel – NO
Charlie Batch – PIT
Byron Leftwich – PIT
Kellen Clemens – STL
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Nobody on that list does it for me, so just keep Flynn.

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i just don't see flynn staying, he deserves a shot to start somewhere.. i'd take

Flacco out of the list..

it would be good to get seneca back in a seattle uni too....

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If it makes any difference in people's thinking, yesterday in Pete's presser he said he wanted another guy like Russell (in terms if mobility/play style/etc).

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I would take TJack back in a heartbeat.

He is a great lockerroom guy, tough as nails, and he is adequate if he needed to come in and play a game or two.

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I want Flynn to stay... Even at his price. Having that solid #2 can mean saving a season.

RW is incredible in that he finds a way to avoid the real big hit, but he does run at times.

While different, Flynn is the best option at #2. He gets rid of the ball quick and is accurate. Outside of some drops on longer passes in preseason, he moves the ball methodically down the field.

The only way I want anyone different is if PC can find a rookie in the draft that he liked as a possible recruit for USC, with starter potential. Frankly, if Flynn really WANTS out, then give him the option, but he is making good bank and playing behind Wilson carries no shame, obviously.

I guess simply put, I don't want Flynn to be replaced with someone that isn't as good as he is.

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My gut says Pete's playing hardball with the quarterback position right now. He knows he's in a good place, and holds all the cards on this one. There will be offers, but I can't see him entertaining any of them for less than a high pick, say in the range of a 1st or 2nd. Maybe a 3rd. He doesn't need to, and so he won't. If they want Flynn that bad, they're going to have to pay out the nose for him.

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Dib, good stuff. IIRC, kearly listed Flynn's hit as $7M in '13. That change your mind?

Not when you consider that Wilson's cap hit is $600k. Wilson, Flynn and a 2nd round QB (Wilson #2?) strike me as a very strong QB group for $9 million total cap space. Moving forward, Flynn's cap space can be used for Wilson and/or the developmental guy.

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There's no way to know for sure, but Wilson seems like an Eli, Peyton, Marino type player who will avoid injury.

Obviously I would give a lot for that to be true and Wilson has done a great job of protecting himself on slides. I simply think our defense and running game are too good for us to risk a 2011 Colts debacle.

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If it makes any difference in people's thinking, yesterday in Pete's presser he said he wanted another guy like Russell (in terms if mobility/play style/etc).

I felt like he was talking about the draft at that point, and the potential #3 QB. I would not feel comfortable going with just Wilson and a rookie. Teams like veteran backups because they can be ready to come in without taking a lot of snaps away from the starter, and I want Wilson to get as many snaps as possible this next preseason.

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TJack. He's no superstar, but he's shown he can keep a lead and win some games. Look up the definition of serviceable, and there he is.


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@AgentDib: I think he was talking about the draft as well, just thought I'd throw that out there for the sake of discussion.

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Ha.

You should REALLY try to do the same thing next year with another player and position, that you did with Flynn this year. Maybe Obo or Butler? Every year argue with all of us over someone who should be starting. It'd be hysterical - and by that time no one will know its a ruse.

BIG PROPS to you for laughing at yourself and allowing us to laugh too. For real, big props.


Already drafting my Charly Martin over Sidney Rice thread. :mrgreen: :th2thumbs:

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Given what has been said from the FO, they plan on taking a QB every year in the draft, I could see trading Flynn for a 2nd and drafting a QB like Matt Scott, in the 4th or 5th.

As far as having a backup thats already in the league, IMO Flynn is the best option so, if the FO wants to have a vetern presence backing up Wilson, they will stick with Flynn, unless someone offers way to much (which won't happen)

But I could see a 2nd for Flynn due to weak QB class, and lots of QB needy teams.


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Like it's been said earlier, our FO wants the best for all our guys. Flynn will never be the starter here and he has the ability to be a Matt Schaub type QB for some team. I think if they can get a reasonable deal for him they would do it for a)Flynn's sake b)cap room c)draft ammo.

If Buffalo goes in a different direction at QB, I wouldn't mind taking Fitz for cheap if he doesn't get any better looks. He's been a starter for awhile and could be a good backup I think.


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I'll spend a 4-5th rounder as our back up to make sure he's cheap, and can run the same stuff RW runs.

EJ Manuel fits the bill for me.

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I will take T Jack because most of the Seahawks are familiar with him and respect him. I really think the choice in trading him away this past year had a lot to do with what they are paying Flynn. Flynn probably does want a chance to start somewhere, so maybe he follows Bradley since it looks like Gus is gone.

I am also willing to bet T Jack would be okay with being older and yet capable of learning from Wilson. And last, dude is all class and if we get a ring, why not let him get one too?

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I would have said Ryan Nassib if you posed this question a month or so ago, but it appears that interest in him is rising to the point of at least a Day 2 pick - too high for a backup


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Nasib SHOULD be a day 3 guy. The fact he isn't makes trading Flynn more possible, no matter what anyone else says. This isn't a year with 4 1st round QB's like last year. If flynn was a FA this year, he'd get A LOT more money.


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Dib, good stuff. IIRC, kearly listed Flynn's hit as $7M in '13. That change your mind?

There's no way to know for sure, but Wilson seems like an Eli, Peyton, Marino type player who will avoid injury.


I remember Peyton being out for awhile recently - how did that work out?

I remember Brady being out for a season and while you don't mention him I have to consider him very durable

Guys gets injured a superbowl caliber team should at least still be in the playoff hunt


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mikeak wrote:
pehawk wrote:
Dib, good stuff. IIRC, kearly listed Flynn's hit as $7M in '13. That change your mind?

There's no way to know for sure, but Wilson seems like an Eli, Peyton, Marino type player who will avoid injury.


I remember Peyton being out for awhile recently - how did that work out?

I remember Brady being out for a season and while you don't mention him I have to consider him very durable

Guys gets injured a superbowl caliber team should at least still be in the playoff hunt


Really? Peyton got hurt at 35, after being injury-free over a decade. For real man, that's the dumbest reply I've seen in sometime. Just plain dumb, it missed the point.

Way to contribute to the thread with your ideas at QB. You should have a blog.


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I'll spend a 4-5th rounder as our back up to make sure he's cheap, and can run the same stuff RW runs. EJ Manuel fits the bill for me.

How many snaps do you give that 4th-5th rounder rookie then in order to make sure he knows what to do if called on? Would EJ Manuel be ready to win NFL games as a rookie in a new system even if we gave him half of the snaps in training camp? Finally, how much does giving that many snaps to somebody besides Russell Wilson for the second consecutive year slow down Wilson's growth as our franchise QB? I know that sounds like a lot of questions, but I am stunned by all the fans that put little to no value in having a veteran backup.

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