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 Post subject: Re: Why I think we will lose this game
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:27 pm 
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This season Atlanta has gone away from feeding Turner, who is getting old and slow, and has leaned towards their screen game much more. There's a nice article on SI about this:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/ne ... uk_t12_a12

It appears that they are not intending to necessarily offset the blitz but rather to get small chunks of yardage outside the hashes to create 3rd and short opportunities. Apparently, it has been a big success for them this season. WR screens are usually predicated on blocking out the CB's. We have big, physical CB's that generally snuff out WR screens pretty well, particularly BB. Our LB's, such as KJ and Leroy have also done an excellent job sniffing out the classic RB screens as well. I like the matchup.

As far as getting pressure on the QB, I agree losing Clem is a big deal, so I would hope that Bradley would call more LB, nickel corner, and safety blitzes than usual. The good thing is there is not a lot of film of us blitzing like that during the season, so it could actually be an advantage for us by catching Ryan off guard.

Losing Clem would have been a whole lot worse if we were facing San Fran. Irvin is a significant drop off against the run. In fact, he'd probably not even start against them if that was the case. You'd probably see Scruggs in there.

All in all, you have to like the matchup on paper versus the Falcons. The only X-factor is Tony Gonzalez, particularly on third down. You just know they are going to try to hit him on third down conversions and try to exploit Kam or KJ's coverage on him. Probably the best bet is to try and knock him off his routes at the LOS. Getting a few "illegal contact" penalties might be worth it if we can neutralize him.

The biggest X-factor to this game IMO is the psyche of Atlanta. Are they ready to take that next step? They've been gearing up for this moment all season long to get that monkey off their back. This can work both ways mentally. I just hope that they falter one more time (they can get the monkey off their back next year)!


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You could be right, certainly we could lose this game.

This might be the first opponent since Green Bay in week 3 that will treat their running game as an afterthought, which means we can get far more creative on defense than we usually do. If Atlanta wants to throw the ball 75 to 80 percent of the time, we don't have to be as disciplined, and we can go after Matt Ryan far more than we usually do against other quarterbacks. And maybe pound him like we did to Aaron Rodgers in the first half of the Packers game.

The Packers game changed when they realized they had to keep our defense honest with their run game. And they did. When we played New England, they forced us to respect Ridley and Woodhead, so we had to play a more standard defense. Will Atlanta run Turner and Rodgers enough to stop us from getting really creative on defense, which could help us get a lot of pressure on Ryan?


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I have to think, if pressuring the QB was a priority for Pete and Gus, they'd blitz more. We wonder why they don't blitz? Its fairly obvious why, in their scheme and philosiphy, pressuring the QB isn't paramount.

That's the only way to rationalize how they succed w/o consistent pressure AND rarely blitz. Its very odd and unique to them, but, that's what it is.

I know that's simplistic in a forum/thread featuring complexities. But, this is a lot easier to understand than "why don't they blitz?" and "how are they #1 w/o pressure?". IMO, we're missing a big part of their gameplan, and it shows why none of us are on a NFL staff.


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theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
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Yada Yada Yada Yawn statistics bleh.


I don't recall using any statistics in my OP.


Sorry I wasn't picking on you for statistics or a lack of them, rather making a point to not really need them to feel secure about the Hawks. I elude to them of course, because there is something to looking at the match ups, but those have been played out in other threads. I understand stats when there is some kind of X's and O's stand point, but my feeling about this team doesn't really need me to do that to feel like I am a fan of the best team in football, this year and every year down the foreseeable future. I know they are going to be dang competitive at a level other teams have built dynasties upon. Looking back, we might miss gaining it all, but I bet others will look back at a certain stretch and say those guys were the best even across a year or two when no Trophy was handed out to this team.

I just wanted to share my take on this team with you. This team is prepared and its exciting to see that kind of business like approach to such highly talented athletes without a stitch of worry about this young team being full of itself.

I do get that this team could lose this game. But there is more then just cocky swagger to this team, just as much as there is more to this team then the RAH RAH nature of Pete Carroll. Pete just don't play with those who don't commit. There is a no nonsense approach to this game from the preparation standpoint no matter how much these guys know how to go out and have fun.

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For what it's worth, I would say Denver's defense is as good as ours, if not better. And not many teams have beaten Denver this year.


Really? Give them our pass rush, and I don't think they even crack the top 10 as a defensive unit. Not to disparage them unnecessarily or be a dick, but their pass rush being good helps a lot.

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i'm just not goin to listen to that noise. seahawks win. :179422:

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I have to think, if pressuring the QB was a priority for Pete and Gus, they'd blitz more. We wonder why they don't blitz? Its fairly obvious why, in their scheme and philosiphy, pressuring the QB isn't paramount.

That's the only way to rationalize how they succed w/o consistent pressure AND rarely blitz. Its very odd and unique to them, but, that's what it is.

I know that's simplistic in a forum/thread featuring complexities. But, this is a lot easier to understand than "why don't they blitz?" and "how are they #1 w/o pressure?". IMO, we're missing a big part of their gameplan, and it shows why none of us are on a NFL staff.


I disagree here. Blitzing goes fundamentally against this Kiffin-esque 4-3 under scheme. That is why they don't do it and why they try to rush with four. But just because this has been a failure this year, doesn't mean it's not paramount.

I think they believed they could play stout on early downs, rely on Clemons and make hay on third downs. That's why we saw Jason Jones and Bruce Irvin in nickel packages and obvious passing downs. What has actually happened is across the board we haven't really ever got consistent pressure - even when Jones/Irvin played. I think they'll learn from this and target a greater interior rush in base going forward, perhaps by investing in (via FA or the draft) a more natural three-technique. A real pass rushing DT to add to the rotation. They might've hoped to get that with Jaye Howard but it hasn't worked out.

But I think the blitz goes against what they want to do. They want to create pressure with four and that's generally what the good defenses do. Unfortunately it hasn't worked out this year, but they've still been able to win games. What I've tried to argue in this thread is simply that I think this could prove to be a deciding issue on Sunday. Although obviously I f-in hope not.

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Really? Give them our pass rush, and I don't think they even crack the top 10 as a defensive unit. Not to disparage them unnecessarily or be a dick, but their pass rush being good helps a lot.


But that's like saying take Tom Brady out of New England and the Pats passing game sucks. The reason I like Denver's defense is because of the pass rush.


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But that's like saying take Tom Brady out of New England and the Pats passing game sucks. The reason I like Denver's defense is because of the pass rush.


We have a QB where if he knows he's going to get pressured a lot, he can perform very well under those circumstances. Assuming Bevell actually calls plays like designed roll-outs, short routes, read options, etc. We can mostly neutralize the Denver pass rush if we are smart about it. Big shots down the field are nice, but you certainly don't need them to move the chains regularly. (Look at what Brady did to us most of that game with the short passing, and 2nd half of the Packers game to a lesser extent.)

As much as this may sound like blasphemy, I think I'd rather face Denver than New England. Belichick is one smart mofo, he will have something special cooked up for us if we meet him in the Super Bowl.

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Fair nuff, Brit.

I still don't know if it equals a "W", but my prediction is the pressure is greater in this game than any other. And that's simply because of Bruce having no responsibilities other than pressure. And, Scruggs size wreaking havoc a play or two.


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It's going to be another great game, once again it can go either way.

Some good tidbits from an SBN article:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/1/10/3859792/seattle-seahawks-at-atlanta-falcons-betting-odds-preview-pick-trends

"Seattle has outscored its opponents 217-74 over the last six games, allowing 17 points or less in each of those games..."

"Seattle's defense has been strong all season, allowing just 15.3 points per game"

"All in all, this is a terrible matchup for Atlanta. Not only is Seattle red-hot, but Atlanta's weak rushing defense (allowing 123.9 rushing yards per game) plays right into Seattle's strength with Marshawn Lynch in the backfield.

Seattle's defense makes the Seahawks a legitimate Super Bowl contender, and puts Atlanta in serious danger of suffering the same fate it has over the last two seasons."


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The best way to compensate for the lack of pressure is Marshaun Lynch. Keep Matty Ice off the field. Bully and wear down the Falcons defense. See how/if Ryan and Smith get antsy with lopsided TOP (they will).

The Hawks can control and dominate this game, defensively and offensively, through their OL.

The Hawks lack of pressure is kind of by design. Keep everything in front and make a team earn HARD yards and sustain punishment for there drives. Its worked all year, no reason to think it won't this time.


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I love how trendy it is for hawk fans to pick against their own team.

It's crazy how we are the ONLY team left with holes/weaknesses...how did we make it this far?!

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As Scott points out, Pete has to be aware of the pass rush matchup problem. I also think it's hardly a coincidence that Seattle started blitzing very heavily after Clemons left the game last week.

Seattle is going to finish with 400+ yards and probably 30+ points on offense. Even if Ryan carves us up, we have a 50/50 chance to win anyway. If he doesn't carve us up, it could be a blowout win for Seattle. Atlanta's defense ain't stopping our offense. Our offense has been playing on a New England level since mid-season. Would you expect the Falcons to shut down New England?


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I love how trendy it is for hawk fans to pick against their own team.

It's crazy how we are the ONLY team left with holes/weaknesses...how did we make it this far?!


I swear to God we are the most fairweather fanbase in the league! I hope my wife doesn't see that I wrote that. She accuses me(and US) of that every season............ LOL! :thirishdrinkers:


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We just need to hammer the ball on the ground, and Russ needs to throw a big pass here and there. Keep control of the ball. If Matt Ryan doesn't touch the ball, he doesn't get chances to score. It's as simple as that! The battle over time of possession is gonna determine this thing.


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I have this same feeling almost, i do not think we will lose, But i dont feel as good about our chances as i have the past few weeks.
Falcons have been backed into a corner. Their early exits, being talked about like people dont think they are as good as their record says.
They've been backed into a corner, they could come out playing on a different level while the Seahawks could have a solid game and still lose if the Falcons just have "one of THOSE" games where it seems like everything just goes right for them

And seeing all the stuff about the game this week, its just starting to feel that way, like the Seahawks might be a great and the hottest team, But the Falcons have something to prove and the Seahawks might be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I really...really hope not. But not a good feeling about it. I honestly think the seahawks are better right now. Just a feeling. Cant be described.


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It's certainly possible that pass rush could hurt us and we could lose. It's also possible it won't. I think the only real issue I have with Rob's post is that his headline says he thinks the Hawks "will" lose--not "could" lose.

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theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
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against what teams? the Packers? the Patriots? the Bears? the Niners?

let me ask you this, have the Falcons even seen an Elite Defense this year?

Hawks have, they beat em all once..

I,m looking through the ATL schedule and I cant find the elite defenses? fact of the matter is have the Falcons even played an elite team all year long? maybe, if you considered the Skins were Elite entering week 5 @ 2-2... :?

maybe the Giants or the Saints were the Elite Ds they hammered on week in and week out? lol

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Firstly, I'm talking about a very specific issue within our defense that I feel will be a problem against the Falcons offense. Saying "Errr... Elite defense" is not a counter to this specific problem. It doesn't address that our strength (DB's) might be neutralised by the time Matt Ryan has in the pocket. And as I mentioned in an earlier post, Ryan is much more clinical and prolific at taking advantage of a non-existent pass rush than the likes of Sam Bradford, Ryan Fitzgerald, John Skelton, Ryan Tannehill, Mark Sanchez and a lot of the other QB's we've faced recently.

For what it's worth, I would say Denver's defense is as good as ours, if not better. And not many teams have beaten Denver this year.


meh, I have to say it again look at the Bronco's schedule, then compare it to Seattle's, even then, the Falcs played the Bronco's when? week 2.... Bronco's went on to complete a 3-3 record before their bye.. Bronco's Elite? OK

Bronco's played 2 teams in the second half that finished over .500 (cinci, ravens) and played only 3 teams the first half that finished over .500 and they lost to all 3 of them... lol (texans, falcs, pats) Broncos Elite? OK

Broncos obviously are better than they were in the first half but....

now look at the Falcons final half season schedule? they didn't play a single team that finished over .500 and during that time the Seahawks opened the book and went on a Rampage while the Falcons lost to the saints, panthers and bucs?

c'mon man (<<<<----chris burman style)

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fact of the matter is the Falcons haven't played a team that finished over .500 since week 5 (skins)

C'MON MAN!

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and the Falcons lost to 3 bad teams in the second half while the Seahawks went on a 5 game heater beating the Bears, Rams and Niners while losing only one game on the second half!

C'MON MAN!

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so I am going to say it now that I have the chance, the Falcons are NOT an elite squad!

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How we win this game:

1. Ball control, time of possession, power running, wear down their defense, outlast and out physical them.

2. Attack the A gap.

3. Stop Gonzalez on 3rd down and in the red zone.


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fact of the matter is the Falcons haven't played a team that finished over .500 since week 5 (skins)

C'MON MAN!

Giants finished 9-7. Why are you spouting incorrect information ALL OVER this forum and the official Atlanta Falcons one this week? Dude, this is like the 5th time I've busted your BS this week. What gives? You need to stop.

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fact of the matter is the Falcons haven't played a team that finished over .500 since week 5 (skins)

C'MON MAN!

Giants finished 9-7. Why are you spouting incorrect information ALL OVER this forum and the official Atlanta Falcons one this week? Dude, this is like the 5th time I've busted your BS this week. What gives? You need to stop.


oh geez calm down dood, OK they played one team one game over .500
does that do it for ya? :?

and no thats not like 5 times, I made one that was 29th worst defense, ended up being 24th, the difference is so huge I guess that makes the falcoons an ELITE squad... lol


so in their last 8 games the Falcons have played ONE team that is get this, ONE GAME over .500, wooo hooo world beaters incorporated... !!!!


everybody clap their hands now....

sides I'm not the only one posting diatribe on this website so.... :192215:

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also my data was correct on atalantanation, straight from NFL.com they have the 24th ranked defense, just click on the game like I instructed before...

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SEA 4th Atl 24th

it don't lie man! so YOU need to backoff man!

see where it says 24th next to defense? see where it says NFL.com in URL bar? yea thats what I said at atlnation.... :th2thumbs:

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I agree with the premise that a lack of pressure on Ryan might cause problems, but I think if you're focusing on the lack of pass rush from our base defense you're focusing on the wrong area. It's the lack of pressure from our nickel and dime defense which we will struggle with. Pete has already mentioned a few times as that area needing to improve and that was before losing Clemons and Jones (Yikes!)

Assuming Irvin doesn't crap the bed, our base defense is STILL the elite base defense we've had ALL year. The same defense that only a short while ago led the league in yards-to-go on 3rd down for opposing offenses (and maybe still does). The same base defense that is near top of the league stopping the run and is #1 in scoring. So, why are we calling out our base defense, yet again?

Here's the funny part. You know why we're going to WIN this game? Our base defense. With two of our main guys out in our sub-package defense, it will be up to our base defense to save our ass by playing such strong Run D that even Scruggs and a tired Irvin will have success on 3rd down.

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It's certainly possible that pass rush could hurt us and we could lose. It's also possible it won't. I think the only real issue I have with Rob's post is that his headline says he thinks the Hawks "will" lose--not "could" lose.

I'm pretty sure there was an implied "if" -- as in: If we lose, this will be why.

Personally, I'm not that worried about it, and I can sum up the reasons in one word.

ADJUSTMENT.

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you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.


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Geez, it's like people are so blind to our problems.. We're not a perfect team and no matter how good our secondary is they cant cover JJ and White for six seconds until our anaemic pass rush eventually waddles upto Matt Ryan.

I agree with English on pretty much every point he's made. Having the best scoring defense in the league doesn't mean anything when it's a one and done game, it's an average. If we only let the Falcons score 15 points then I'm happy but the Falcons won't score 15 points unless we get a solid pass rush on them, that's just how the Falcons are, good offensive line, excellent passing game and mediocre running game. Keep in mind that our sack total is inflated by a freakish first half in one game and while sacks don't tell a full story for how a defense plays it's still a hugely important aspect and we can't keep riding our luck without QB pressure.

I honestly believe our pass rush will decide whether we win or lose this game. Four sacks and I'm happy, three and I'm nervous anything less and I'm hoping we can grind out the win with time of possesion

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I dont feel a loss in the pit of my stomach. Pretty amazing since it's usually is there. lol I feel we win a squeeker.

If not. I aint mad bro! Amazing and unexpected season!

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you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.

We held on to wear out a Defense that was playing good ball. We settled in and made the right adjustments.
We tired them out. And hopefully Lynch will do that to the Falcons.
Many Falcon wins came from less than stellar NFL performers too.

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I have to think, if pressuring the QB was a priority for Pete and Gus, they'd blitz more. We wonder why they don't blitz? Its fairly obvious why, in their scheme and philosiphy, pressuring the QB isn't paramount.

That's the only way to rationalize how they succed w/o consistent pressure AND rarely blitz. Its very odd and unique to them, but, that's what it is.

I know that's simplistic in a forum/thread featuring complexities. But, this is a lot easier to understand than "why don't they blitz?" and "how are they #1 w/o pressure?". IMO, we're missing a big part of their gameplan, and it shows why none of us are on a NFL staff.


Pressuring the QB IS important to Pete. I guarantee you this is causing him major anxiety.
Yes, the scheme doesn't call for many blitzes, but he didn't sign Jason Jones for any other reason than third down pressure. Pet's press scheme has never called for his secondary to be the part of the defense that carries the squad. They will address the D-line in the off season, I guarantee it.

They don't blitz more because Pete isn't trapped by the notion that sacks are an end all be all to winning. Making QBs make 2nd and third decisions per play is far more effective than the occasional tackle for loss. It's funny how fans get all tizzied up by sack numbers. Guy tackles the QB for a loss of two and his agent starts planning his holdout. Tackle a running back for a two yard loss and ho hum, next play.

People need to pay attention more to when and where sacks happen than how many of them there are. the sacks Wilson took vs Washington were not that big a deal, except for one that took us out of field goal range, because playing from behind, not making a single mistake down field was paramount.

In this particular game, playing contain on the edges when there is the risk of a screen call is a much bigger deal than Clemons getting around the corner. I don't like the Baker/Clemons matchup anyway. I do like Scruggs/Baker, Scruggs can walk him back. And I do think our DTs can get push against this front, which from what I see on Ryan, matters more than edge pressure.

Against the Niners or Packers, the loss of Clemons looms much larger.

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you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.


Would that be the same one legged QB that had us down 14-0 in the 1st quarter. And then we shut them out and scored 24 ourselves?

I LOVE our chances.

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It's certainly possible that pass rush could hurt us and we could lose. It's also possible it won't. I think the only real issue I have with Rob's post is that his headline says he thinks the Hawks "will" lose--not "could" lose.


I definitely could've and should've worded it better. I'll hold my hands up on that one.


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gdawg wrote:
you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.


Whether he was one legged or not, he doesn't play defense. 24 unanswered points. 'nuff said.


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gdawg wrote:
you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.


Whether he was one legged or not, he doesn't play defense. 24 unanswered points. 'nuff said.


i think his was point was...go down 14-0 to the Falcons and watch that comeback not happen


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I'm honestly a little surprised that people are talking about this Falcon's offense as being a juggarnaut. Are they good? Yes but again, against a soft schedule they averaged roughly the same amount of points the seahawks did. They have a ton of weapons and I do expect them to have some success. But our defense is vastly superior, our offense couldn't match up any better against their defense with our running game and Atlanta's struggles against mobile qb's. I saw why people were a little worried in round one but on paper this is actually an easier matchup for Seattle. I expect a close game regardless until the end with Seattle winning by 10.


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This is a deep thread so apologies if this point has been made already...

While our pass rush is our biggest weakness going into this game, and it plays against Atlantas biggest strength, we can gain encouragment from a strong LB corp and great secondary. As English stated we will have to bend not break

But where I feel this game will turn is in Atlantas greatest wakness and how it plays against our greatest strength. Their run d is atrocious. Something like 26th in the league (sorry didn't look it up)and were absolutely shredded by Cam Newton late on. I love that matchup against Lynch andW ilson. It finally took its toll on the Redskins.

The question is who holds on longer. Can our d keep us even long enough for our winning game and wilson to take over? I'm hoping so. I like us in this game even more than the Skins game.


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Agreed Uncle SI. Surprised people aren't talking more about Atlanta struggling against Cam this year as well as against opposing running backs. I think we move the ball at will against Atlanta. All I hear on the board is their passing game. Well our running game is just as elite as their passing game and it has a better matchup as well. Shocking this isn't discussed more....


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I am officially confident we will win given English has said we will lose. It's a tradition with him.

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If you're still worried that this will be the Lions game all over again, ask yourself this, "Would Seattle lose to them again in a rematch?", I don't think so. Since the Lions and Miami game, the QB play and running game has taken off and our 3rd down defense improved significantly. If we lose then that means the Falcons were able to get turnovers, run the ball efficiently, and Matt Ryan played an amazing game. Could that happen, I suppose so but Seattle has played on fire for weeks and it doesn't appear that I should doubt they are not going to win this game.

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As Scott points out, Pete has to be aware of the pass rush matchup problem. I also think it's hardly a coincidence that Seattle started blitzing very heavily after Clemons left the game last week.

Seattle is going to finish with 400+ yards and probably 30+ points on offense. Even if Ryan carves us up, we have a 50/50 chance to win anyway. If he doesn't carve us up, it could be a blowout win for Seattle. Atlanta's defense ain't stopping our offense. Our offense has been playing on a New England level since mid-season. Would you expect the Falcons to shut down New England?



I'm a tad concerned with our offense. Before the Rams game I would have said "Hell YES we will get 400+ yards and 30+ points!", but pass pro seems to be a slight issue now.


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kearly wrote:
As Scott points out, Pete has to be aware of the pass rush matchup problem. I also think it's hardly a coincidence that Seattle started blitzing very heavily after Clemons left the game last week.

Seattle is going to finish with 400+ yards and probably 30+ points on offense. Even if Ryan carves us up, we have a 50/50 chance to win anyway. If he doesn't carve us up, it could be a blowout win for Seattle. Atlanta's defense ain't stopping our offense. Our offense has been playing on a New England level since mid-season. Would you expect the Falcons to shut down New England?



I'm a tad concerned with our offense. Before the Rams game I would have said "Hell YES we will get 400+ yards and 30+ points!", but pass pro seems to be a slight issue now.


When I think of our toughest games of the year I think: Green Bay, New England, and Chicago. Those games, especially the latter 2, were won by our offense. I know the defense held them to low scores, but if the defense can hold the Falcons within 1 score I have full faith in Russell Wilson in the 4th quarter (unless his receiver slips and allows an easy reception).


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This is kind of 'out there' but I'd love to see, if we could disguise it well enough, Browner crush Ryan on an unhindered blind-side blitz. Just snap, step-step-step BOOM! A forced fumble and an aching back for Ryan the rest of the game.

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Seriously. Nobody cares why you think the seahawks will lose

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As Scott points out, Pete has to be aware of the pass rush matchup problem. I also think it's hardly a coincidence that Seattle started blitzing very heavily after Clemons left the game last week.

Seattle is going to finish with 400+ yards and probably 30+ points on offense. Even if Ryan carves us up, we have a 50/50 chance to win anyway. If he doesn't carve us up, it could be a blowout win for Seattle. Atlanta's defense ain't stopping our offense. Our offense has been playing on a New England level since mid-season. Would you expect the Falcons to shut down New England?



I'm a tad concerned with our offense. Before the Rams game I would have said "Hell YES we will get 400+ yards and 30+ points!", but pass pro seems to be a slight issue now.

Even in that game, we approached 400 yards. Against that front 7. There is one linebacker from Atlanta that could start for the Rams. The Falcons secondary is better for sure, the safeties are better, though Moore is primarily a hitter.

Atlanta tries like hell to direct receivers to the 2 deep zones where over throws and under throws are easy pickings. Those are throws Russell avoids, he likes to err to the side of green grass.

Our offense will be just fine, and I still expect at least 50 points combined in this game.

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Geez, it's like people are so blind to our problems.. We're not a perfect team and no matter how good our secondary is they cant cover JJ and White for six seconds until our anaemic pass rush eventually waddles upto Matt Ryan.

I agree with English on pretty much every point he's made. Having the best scoring defense in the league doesn't mean anything when it's a one and done game, it's an average. If we only let the Falcons score 15 points then I'm happy but the Falcons won't score 15 points unless we get a solid pass rush on them, that's just how the Falcons are, good offensive line, excellent passing game and mediocre running game. Keep in mind that our sack total is inflated by a freakish first half in one game and while sacks don't tell a full story for how a defense plays it's still a hugely important aspect and we can't keep riding our luck without QB pressure.

I honestly believe our pass rush will decide whether we win or lose this game. Four sacks and I'm happy, three and I'm nervous anything less and I'm hoping we can grind out the win with time of possesion


The most yards that Matt Ryan had in a single game (411) was against the Saints in a loss. Clearly the Saints pass rush didn't show up that day yet they still won. Most games Ryan throws 250 to 350 yards. Ryan may get his average of 294 yards and 2 TD's but that won't be enough to beat the Hawks. Even without Clemons and Jones our defense is better than the average defense the Falcons have faced this year. If Ryan puts up his average numbers I don't see the Falcons beating the Hawks. Seattle will be able to control the clock through their superior ground game keeping Ryan off the field thus limiting the damage he can do with his arm. If the Hawks can manage 200 yards on the ground and 150 to 200 in the air they win this game.


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I think the same reason why we could have lose to the Skins applies equally to the Falcons - 4th quarter defense. We never had to face this situation last week because the game was at hand under 5 minutes. However, what happens if we are up by 2-6 points with less than 2 minutes and Matt Ryan and the Falcons have the ball at their 20? Can our Legion of Boom stop them? Of all the teams we have faced this season, Detroit is probably the closest thing to Atlanta. Heavy pass offense with just a little running game to keep the defense in check. We all remember what happened at the end of that game. I am just concerned that our LB's and safeties will get super soft in that pressure situation on the road with the game on the line. This could all come down to one single drive and our ability to stop them for the game winning score. So far this season, on the road, aside from Carolina, we have not been able to.


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link.different perspective on need for pressure. Short article.


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