The Skins/Hawks Match Up

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The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:20 pm
  • Greetings,

    I am from Extremeskins.com. I see through various threads that you guys don't have too high of an opinion of that place. I can tell you that its a great site with dedicated and passionate membership and I love it there.

    But, we absolutely love our football talk, and that's what I came here to do.

    Much like you guys, I can't wait for the match up on Sunday. I like to call it the Main Event of Wildcard Weekend.

    All season long, I've enjoyed the moments I've gotten to watch your Seahawks. I love your attacking defense. Mebane and Red Bryant are dangerous up front. They're tough to run on. Wagner is for sure a candidate for defensive rookie of the year, if not the defensive rookie of the year. Mentioning your corners isn't worth it, those two can play with the best of them, which is probably why you guys enjoy the 1 high man concept that you employ so often. With Browner and Sherman on the outside you can essentially shut down the field from hash to sideline. Despite the praise I've given elsewhere, I'm probably most impressed with your safeties. Chancellor is a hard hitting, fly around kind of defender. Earl Thomas is a ballhawk of a free safety.

    From what I've seen, your weakness on defense is 3rd down efficiency. Your pass rush isn't great on third downs, which is why I believe a big key to this game is 3rd down. The Redskins MUST win the matchup on first down, which I believe is gaining four or more yards. Third and medium is decent territory for the Redskins offense to convert, as the playaction will come into play, an area of defense that Seattle is ranked 24th league wide against. The zone read action that we run, that I'm sure you're all quite familiar with, has to be respected, as it does with your opponents. In 3rd and long situations, Seattle's coverage unit will be tough to crack. We have to stay in manageable situations on third down. Due to your aggressive defense, it'll be tough for them to stay home on meaningful third down situations, which will open up the hook zones a bit to allow Griffin some throwing room. If your safeties begin to cheat up, the 'Skins will start taking more shots deep. It's one of those situations that I really like as its an aggressive, attacking style of offense, but it also scares me with Earl Thomas patrolling back there.

    I'm interested to see how Seattle matches up against various formations. From our "Uzi" set, which is the fullhouse backfield out of Pistol, to formations which align Garcon in the slot. I have to wonder if they'll move Browner or Sherman on Garcon on the inside. Stopping Alfred Morris will be a key component to Seattle's success, because if he gets going the read option/read option pass is going to be a tough play to stop.

    There is an intriguing matchup on the other side of the ball as well. Our defensive leader, and best defensive player was named NFC Defensive Player of the Month. Your quarterback was named NFC Rookie of the Month. That'll be a fun one to watch.

    I think in general, your receivers match up favorably with our DBs, especially our safeties. DeAngelo Hall and Josh Wilson can be very, very good on the outside, or they can be very, very bad. Golden Tate always seems to get YAC. Madieu Williams at free safety concerns me the most. He's very prone in coverage. Both of our safeties come up and play the alley quite well versus run, but Williams also has a knack for missing tackles and allowing runners to spring free. That's where Marshawn Lynch is most dangerous. He's a guy that you absolutely have to tackle or he'll tear you to shreds. And much like with Washington's offense and Morris, if Lynch gets going opposing defenses are in a world of hurt. And also similar to Washington's offense, once your running game gets going, so does your play action game.

    The key to both teams is stopping the running game and forcing teams to be one dimensional.

    As a 'Skins fan, I truly believe Griffin deserves to be the offensive rookie of the year, but I have no qualms with Russell Wilson receiving that honor. He's been a very, very good player and he reminds me a lot of Fran Tarkenton (or, rather, what I've seen of Tarkenton on film). The key is blitzing him and forcing him off his spot and THEN containing him. Easier said than done. I almost feel that the 'Skins D will be safer forcing him from his spot and then once he moves not over committing to chasing him, or he'll pull the shoulder switch evasion technique I've seen him use many times. We have to make him make quick decisions.

    From a fan of the game, this is an intriguing match up. Both attacking defenses (yours is better, in my opinion), both "new age" offenses. Both teams are built completely on their running game. It will be the most exciting game of the year, or it should be anyways.

    We all know who I'm rooting for, but I think all of us have two things in common:

    1) Hope for no injuries
    2) That whichever QB, Russell or Griffin wins Rookie of the Year, at least it's not Andrew Luck, who doesn't stack up to either one of our quarterbacks.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:22 pm
  • I dont quite understand ES.com

    The first thread stickied there is basically telling all seahawks to go away, your not welcomed, and your whole fanbase is jerks.

    Impossible to start a reasonable conversation over there. But thanks for you insight regardless.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:27 pm
  • KDawg_ES wrote:Greetings,

    I am from Extremeskins.com. I see through various threads that you guys don't have too high of an opinion of that place. I can tell you that its a great site with dedicated and passionate membership and I love it there.



    If you want to know why people think your site sucks here is a pretty good example:

    Right away you're greeted with a sticky post:

    ExtremeSkins.com wrote: Dear Seahawks Fans. Read this before you post. No exceptions

    Since we have seen this story play out before in our playoff pasts, and because Seattle in particular seems to have a tremendous amount of Internet Crusaders fighting for truth and justice in all things Seahawks, we thought this thread might serve a good public purpose.

    Contrary to what you might think, we don't need to hear from you. We are quite content discussing football amongst ourselves as we have been all season.

    We are not all waiting for you to show up and tell us the errors of our ways and share with us your witty insights. Trust us. We're good.

    So, I suggest a careful reading of the rules on your part. I have posted them below. Read these. Pay particular attention to the bolded text. There is no gray area.


    This is a website owned by the Washington Redskins, maintained by Redskins fans, and primarily devoted to Washington Redskins football. While we enjoy visitors, we did not leave the door open hoping to have people drop by intent on changing our way of thinking. We are quite happy (some might argue "miserable" at times) being Redskins fans. We continue to believe that each Sunday marks a new beginning and that eventually we will return to our days of greatness. You, of course, can laugh at that notion, but if you do it here, it probably won't be taken too kindly.

    If you're a fan of a rival team, please don't make the mistake of thinking this is an always-friendly environment. When you are here, your screen is burgundy and gold for a reason. We’re ExtremeSkins. Nothing about this site should suggest to you that we are interested in being all things to all football fans. We have many knowledgeable fans here who know quite a bit about Washington Redskins football in particular and the NFL in general. We allow a certain amount of Redskins machismo here, because that is part of the Redskins experience. So be advised you will likely encounter critical and disparaging statements related to your chosen football team from time to time. As with all issues, moderators will determine what is or isn't allowable independent of anyone's team affiliation.

    Do enjoy your time here---we welcome well-behaved rival fans and enjoy other perspectives in the form of solid football discussion, along with the typical banter expected in such venues as long as it is within our Forum Rules. But don't let your activities interfere with our ability to enjoy your time here.


    Basically right away you're getting defensive and making anyone who would love to drop by and talk football completely disinterested because of how childish this entire posts sounds.

    FYI I post on several opponents forums, including a regular showing on a 49ers forum. I know how to support and discuss my team without resorting to name-calling and other pointless garbage. I love the game and I love talking about it.

    I registered on your site but after reading this post and seeing a request for seahawk fans to all post their thoughts on one thread, I was completely uninterested. Way to promote a 'community' over there.

    A community of people who only want to hear themselves speak. HEEE HEEE SEACHICKENS GET IT LIKE NOT A HAWK BUT A CHICKEN CUZ CHICKENZ R GAY
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:28 pm
  • Classy post KDawg. I have a lot of respect for your team too. Perhaps you can share some of your reasonableness with our new friend "crankupthediesel".
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:32 pm
  • Way to make a good impression, Peaches.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:34 pm
  • KDawg_ES wrote:Greetings,

    I am from Extremeskins.com. I see through various threads that you guys don't have too high of an opinion of that place. I can tell you that its a great site with dedicated and passionate membership and I love it there.


    That's because we've all gotten banned from there for just plain talking football. Not being an ass, or trolling a lot, or anything; your mods literally do not even seem to want non-Skins fans talking over there. I've never seen such policing before.

    Let's forget that forum exists as far as discussion on this forum is concerned. :) Welcome to the board, I hope you enjoy the stay; and if you're a cool poster that doesn't troll and isn't a blind homer, then I hope you stay long-term, as we have some resident fans from other teams that have been posting here for years. We welcome anyone, if they simply remember what team's forum they're on, basically.

    You're right about our 3rd-down woes. Specifically, however, 3rd-and-long is where we've gotten killed a lot this year. Last I checked, we stopped 3rd-and-short more than 3rd-and-long, which doesn't make sense. Our lack of a pass rush is deceiving. We definitely lack it most of the time, but we also almost never blitz. The times we do blitz, we've had very good success with it. Our front 4 routinely does not get much pressure against most teams, and I hope we address that more after the season is over.

    IMO, the main thing to exploit against our defense is the short passing game. Dinking and dunking, we've been very susceptible to; see the 2nd half of the Packers game, and most of the Patriots game. Our LBers need improvement there. If you guys come out with a quick dink-and-dunk short passing game, you'll likely win. I don't think the Redskins have really done that this year though, have they?

    SacHawk2.0 wrote:Way to make a good impression, Peaches.

    Yeah, WTF, peaches? I mean, he's from Extreme Skins and they basically just called all of us racist because of a couple of idiots 6 years ago, but still; lol.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:35 pm
  • No worries. I don't judge entire fan bases or forums by a single poster. I'm a guest here, I'd expect that there will be some unwelcoming posters. It's part of the territory when you're "on the road".
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:35 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:Way to make a good impression, Peaches.


    You're welcome.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:36 pm
  • Care to make a friendly signature bet, Kdawg?
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:39 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:Our LBers need improvement there. If you guys come out with a quick dink-and-dunk short passing game, you'll likely win. I don't think the Redskins have really done that this year though, have they?


    One of the major knocks from the media on RG3 early in the year was that he was only throwing deep passes. Kyle Shanahan loosened the reigns up and has let him let a few go more often now, but the love the screen game to receivers and intermediate routes.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:40 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:Care to make a friendly signature bet, Kdawg?


    I don't do bets. In real life or in forums. Football is a screwy game. :)
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:41 pm
  • KDawg_ES wrote:
    SacHawk2.0 wrote:Care to make a friendly signature bet, Kdawg?


    I don't do bets. In real life or in forums. Football is a screwy game. :)


    You just don't want to end up like the guy in my signature! lol
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:41 pm
  • KDawg_ES wrote:One of the major knocks from the media on RG3 early in the year was that he was only throwing deep passes. Kyle Shanahan loosened the reigns up and has let him let a few go more often now, but the love the screen game to receivers and intermediate routes.


    This year is the first year in a long, long, time where we haven't been burned by screens much. I can't remember the last time we defended the screen well. That doesn't bode well to your offense. We're not elite at defending it by any means, but (and I'm too lazy to try and find out) if I had to guess, I'd say over the past 5 years we've probably been bottom 5 of the league at defending the screen, maybe bottom 10, prior to this year. It has kind of been a longstanding point of contention around here, haha.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:43 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    KDawg_ES wrote:One of the major knocks from the media on RG3 early in the year was that he was only throwing deep passes. Kyle Shanahan loosened the reigns up and has let him let a few go more often now, but the love the screen game to receivers and intermediate routes.


    This year is the first year in a long, long, time where we haven't been burned by screens much. I can't remember the last time we defended the screen well. That doesn't bode well to your offense. We're not elite at defending it by any means, but (and I'm too lazy to try and find out) if I had to guess, I'd say over the past 5 years we've probably been bottom 5 of the league at defending the screen, maybe bottom 10, prior to this year. It has kind of been a longstanding point of contention around here, haha.



    I got so mad at the beginning of the year when Wilson was getting blitzed constantly and we were not throwing a single screen to lynch or turbin. And I truly believe, that if we had used the screen even just twice against AZ at the first game, we would have won that game too.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:44 pm
  • Your site reeks of intolerance, you guys don't talk football, you just whisper RGIII softley into each others ears. It is easily the most insecure fan site I have ever seen. Jingoistic bullshit and run by a couple of mods who echo the Dan Snyder don't say anything we don't want to hear company line.

    I stopped reading when I saw you say ES is a great site. I like a lot about your team, but don't try to defend Extreme Skins. Your Mods labeled our entire fanbase as racist and awful when in truth you are really just pissed about getting booted from the playoffs twice. I expect fans to drop stupidity sometimes, hell I do, but when the moderators of a site act that ignorant and hateful, they give free license to others to be even worse.

    We have a policy here of attack the post, not the poster. When Extreme Skins adopts that same policy, I will read your thoughts.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:46 pm
  • Yeah, but aren't we better then that Scotte? Dumb stuff like that seems so small when you take the high road.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:46 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:Your site reeks of intolerance, you guys don't talk football, you just whisper RGIII softley into each others ears. It is easily the most insecure fan site I have ever seen. Jingoistic bullshit and run by a couple of mods who echo the Dan Snyder don't say anything we don't want to hear company line.

    I stopped reading when I saw you say ES is a great site. I like a lot about your team, but don't try to defend Extreme Skins. Your Mods labeled our entire fanbase as racist and awful when in truth you are really just pissed about getting booted from the playoffs twice. I expect fans to drop stupidity sometimes, hell I do, but when the moderators of a site act that ignorant and hateful, they give free license to others to be even worse.

    We have a policy here of attack the post, not the poster. When Extreme Skins adopts that same policy, I will read your thoughts.


    Hey, you're entitled to do whatever you want. Especially in your territory. No hard feelings.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:49 pm
  • Skins fan here.

    This is going to be a nightmare game for both of us. People calling for a blow out either way are insane. Unlike most skins fans, I don't think RG is the ROTY for us - its Morris. The guy has been bulldozing all year for us and will be a challenge to stop as noone has yet. Much like Lynch. I've watched that dude since he played in Buffalo. Great player.

    Best of luck to your team. Here's hoping for no injuries.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:52 pm
  • Welcome Skins Fans! You are more than welcome here.

    However, ES is crap. That site is nothing but bile and vitriol and reeks of desperate and insecure fans. Very incestuous atmosphere at ES.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:21 pm
  • Best matchup this year. Washington’s D is not very good simple as that. Seattle is a more balanced team overall (possibly the best in the league as far as all around balance) but young teams have issues on the road. Everything I’ve seen and what I know about both teams this one is a split 50/50. 10 games against each other (at Washington) would have these teams both .500. I see some edge Seattle and some edge to Washington. Both teams want to take away the run and force these QB’s to throw. Wilson is less likely to take risk when receivers are covered. RW3 will fire and pray, not a good idea with this group of DB’s. Seattle tends to get conservative (game management) on the road, where Washington will be more likely to take risk for some possible big plays. Seattle is exposed to the short passing game over the middle with the type of offense Washington runs (I smell some holding calls on Trufant, and our LB’s getting sucked up out of position). The QB most likely to press and make a rookie mistakes in this game…RW3. Wilson is the smartest QB as a rookie that I’ve ever seen. RW3 will press at times when he should go down or throw it away.


    Looking down the road this is the game a fear most in all possible playoff matchups for Seattle
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:49 pm
  • Welcome, regardless of the site you hail from. I wandered over to ES this week and I found myself hating the Redskins. After some Redskins fans made their way here, it's changed my opinion somewhat.

    I've stated it before, but I feel like the Seahawks should win this without having to squeak it out. A 10-12 point win is what I expect. However, if it's close we are still equipped to win that kind of game to. Sometimes you feel like you get a feel for whether a team is special or not. I feel this Seahawks team is a special team. They are special in the way the prepare. That is why I am confident. However, I am not arrogant. If I felt like we were going to struggle I would say so and over the years I have said it a lot.

    That said, I have gained more respect for your team over the week, and if you guys beat us than you deserve it and good luck the rest of the way. Hopefully you respectable fans will come on here, in that case, and maybe chide us a little without being too over the top. What I don't want is for those who won't come here during the week to come talk trash after. You definitely won't find me going on your sites and talking smack if we win.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:51 pm
  • I'm not a big trash talker. No worries on that front.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:56 pm
  • ExtremeSkins is garbage, and they can all eat a bag of dicks.

    That being said, good post OP. How many Seahawks games have you watched? You actually seem to have pretty good insight on the way this team operates. 3rd downs have been a bugaboo for us this year, the fanbase collectively can't understand why Trufant is out there on 3rd downs. We've been burned in the slot all year long.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:04 pm
  • thebanjodude wrote:
    That being said, good post OP. How many Seahawks games have you watched? You actually seem to have pretty good insight on the way this team operates. 3rd downs have been a bugaboo for us this year, the fanbase collectively can't understand why Trufant is out there on 3rd downs. We've been burned in the slot all year long.


    All the national ones plus good chunks of the ones opposite the Skins games. I haven't watched many of them in full, but I've watched enough of them to get a good feel for the team. I'm a Redskin fan, but I also coach the game at the varsity level in HS. So I have appreciation for good football. And the Seahawks play it.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:05 pm
  • I'm a skins fan and I HATE extremeskins.

    I've been "placed in timeout" multiple times by mods for simply disagreeing with their points.

    They have a couple cool mods, but most of them are power hungry nerds who think that they are team insiders.

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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:06 pm
  • TaterHawk wrote:Best matchup this year. Washington’s D is not very good simple as that. Seattle is a more balanced team overall (possibly the best in the league as far as all around balance) but young teams have issues on the road. Everything I’ve seen and what I know about both teams this one is a split 50/50. 10 games against each other (at Washington) would have these teams both .500. I see some edge Seattle and some edge to Washington. Both teams want to take away the run and force these QB’s to throw. Wilson is less likely to take risk when receivers are covered. RW3 will fire and pray, not a good idea with this group of DB’s. Seattle tends to get conservative (game management) on the road, where Washington will be more likely to take risk for some possible big plays. Seattle is exposed to the short passing game over the middle with the type of offense Washington runs (I smell some holding calls on Trufant, and our LB’s getting sucked up out of position). The QB most likely to press and make a rookie mistakes in this game…RW3. Wilson is the smartest QB as a rookie that I’ve ever seen. RW3 will press at times when he should go down or throw it away.


    Looking down the road this is the game a fear most in all possible playoff matchups for Seattle


    curious... if our offense and the redskins offense is equal, but our defense is better, how is it 50/50.. don't see that..
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:10 pm
  • Why do we care what the skins fans say on their site? Some people are looking for validation, don't hand it out. That was funny though..a bag of what :)
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:14 pm
  • Hawker 84

    My consideration is for the hawks on the road..I'm still not 100% convinced they are over the hump on the road
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:16 pm
  • TaterHawk wrote:Best matchup this year. Washington’s D is not very good simple as that. Seattle is a more balanced team overall (possibly the best in the league as far as all around balance) but young teams have issues on the road. Everything I’ve seen and what I know about both teams this one is a split 50/50. 10 games against each other (at Washington) would have these teams both .500. I see some edge Seattle and some edge to Washington. Both teams want to take away the run and force these QB’s to throw. Wilson is less likely to take risk when receivers are covered. RW3 will fire and pray, not a good idea with this group of DB’s. Seattle tends to get conservative (game management) on the road, where Washington will be more likely to take risk for some possible big plays. Seattle is exposed to the short passing game over the middle with the type of offense Washington runs (I smell some holding calls on Trufant, and our LB’s getting sucked up out of position). The QB most likely to press and make a rookie mistakes in this game…RW3. Wilson is the smartest QB as a rookie that I’ve ever seen. RW3 will press at times when he should go down or throw it away.

    Looking down the road this is the game a fear most in all possible playoff matchups for Seattle

    When you say RW3 are you referring to RG3 or Wilson?

    If you're referring to RG3, you're analysis of him is very wrong, he has protected the ball better than any QB in the NFL.

    This will be a fun game. Redskins have a top 5 offense, Seahawks have a top 5 defense.

    Redskins have one of the worst defenses in the entire league, Seahawks have an offense ranked in the bottom half of the league.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:23 pm
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    Sorry " RG3" I saw your boy try to force the ball into receivers many times in the Dallas game. Please have him continue to do that :)
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:25 pm
  • TaterHawk wrote:drastik

    Sorry " RG3" I saw your boy try to force the ball into receivers many times in the Dallas game. Please have him continue to do that :)

    The Dallas game was RG3's worst game of his career, by far. I saw him miss some open guys and throw balls in the dirt, but I never saw balls that were "dangerous throws" in the fact that they were nearly (or could have been) interceptions.

    RG3 has played 15 games and has 5 interceptions.. we can even throw in his 2 lost fumbles for a grand total of 7 turnovers in 15 games. To compare, Kirk Cousins has thrown 4 interceptions in 1 and 1/4th games this season.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:28 pm
  • Good points
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:37 pm
  • I would disagree that Seattles offense is in the bottom half of the league. If you go by total yards, then yes, we're 17th. Middle of the pack. But total yards is not a good metric to judge an offense. There are too many other factors to consider. The special team play consistently gives us good field position, meaning we have less yards to traverse. The defense consistently gives us good field position, meaning the same.

    Instead, I trust in DVOA from Football Outisders. It's a very intelligent metric IMO. Consider this: Does a 17th ranked offense rack up 150 points in three games, two vs top 10 defenses? No. But it came as only a mild surprise to DVOA followers, because the Hawks already were ranked as one of the top offenses in the league.

    DVOA rankings for 2012 season:
    Seattle offense 4th defense 4th special teams 3rd total team ranking 1st
    Washington offense 6th defense 17th special teams 27th total team ranking 9th.

    According to their metrics, Washingtons defense is not bottom of the barrel, but their special teams most definitely are. Seattle is a very good team on all sides of the ball. In the end, these are two top 10 teams and it's in Washingtons house. Seattle simply does not play as well on the road as at home, so I expect a very close game that could go either way.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:02 pm
  • TaterHawk wrote:Hawker 84

    My consideration is for the hawks on the road..I'm still not 100% convinced they are over the hump on the road


    gottcha, i can understand that.. i hope we can finally get this road monkey of our back this year... tired of hearing about it .
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:07 pm
  • i will just say this to all skins fans visiting our board... i've said this to all our apponents, some listend some didn't but found out the hard way..

    you can look at our road record you can look at RW's numbers, but what you need to understand is most of the losses came at the beginning of the season, when we were working in a rookie QB who was basically handcuffed for the first half of the season.. if you want a more accurate picture of our road abilities and RW's passing numbers look at the second half numbers.. because that's the level he and this team is operating now... am i saying we're going to win, no, the season numbers do not accurately depict this team... again some know what i'm talking about, some will find out sunday.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:14 pm
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    you can look at our road record you can look at RW's numbers, but what you need to understand is most of the losses came at the beginning of the season, when we were working in a rookie QB who was basically handcuffed for the first half of the season..


    Absolutely. I completely understand that. Although, I don't believe it had as much to do with having a rookie quarterback as it did keeping the reigns on him until your coaching staff was more comfortable with him. Your team now is completely different. Look at both 49er games for proof. The second game your team had a totally different offensive identity. You guys are a dangerous, dangerous football team.

    But also keep in mind that the same thing can be said for the 'Skins. We started 3-6 and we've reeled off seven straight wins to finish 10-6 and win the NFC East for the first time since 1999, and get into the playoffs for the first time since 2007 (which you guys knocked us out of... and in 2005...). And, that's with an injured RG3 the last two games and Kirk Cousins at the helm the game prior. We have a budding football team, but we're not perfect yet. I see weaknesses. Like I stated in the OP, our safeties are decent in run support and lackluster in coverage. That's a major issue. Our corners are either very good or very, very poor. That could be a major issue. Our front seven has been MUCH better these last seven games. OLBs Rob Jackson and Ryan Kerrigan have done a better job setting the job and generating a pass rush (although, our pass rush is still somewhat mediocre). Jackson can be had at times in the run game, and I'd imagine the Hawks will run some read option his way a few times. He was out of position on DeMarco Murray in a base offense, I can totally see him getting fooled by Wilson/Lynch. But he can also make some phenomenal plays in coverage, like slipping off his rush and picking off Romo to seal the game last Sunday night. London Fletcher is the defensive player of the month in the NFC and Perry Riley is a pretty solid tackler and a very good up and coming ILB. Barry Cofield at nose, Jarvis Jenkins and Stephen Bowen at end have played much better as of late, too.

    And that's not even mentioning our offense with Garcon in the game or our 1600 yard rusher.

    The Seattle Seahawks are hot. So hot, that I'd say they along with the Broncos may be the two best teams in football. Seattle as a whole, offense, defense and special teams is the most explosive team in football. I have no doubts on that. But the 'Skins offense is extremely explosive and the defense has flashes of absolute brilliance. Our coverage units on special teams are solid.

    This is going to be a fun game to watch if you're a fan of football. And most of you guys seem to know the game very, very well.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:56 pm
  • Good post, OP. I personally don't have the experience with ExtremeSkins that some here do, so I'll just thank you for the informed discussion.

    I am not too impressed by the opposition on which you've won seven straight. Romo, Eli, Flacco, Weeden, Eagles, meh. There is only one other QB who's got as much talent for evading pass rush, protecting the ball, and delivering bananas play-action fireworks like Russell Wilson does (and that other QB is playing for YOUR team). There's every sign that this could turn into a shootout.

    And that's why I believe our defense will be the difference. It's not just the #1 scoring defense and #4 in DVOA, it's had some of its most spectacular plays against Carolina and San Francisco, offenses more similar to yours than dissimilar. You talk about our safeties, but our linebackers are playing great football right now. Bobby Wagner is the Earl Thomas of our LB's, speedy and reading the zone well, and doesn't miss a lot of tackles. KJ Wright has been blowing up screens left and right lately after a midseason dropoff; Frank Gore is probably still shaking the grass out of his ears. Our corners are known for doubling as great run defenders. And Chris Clemons, well, no defensive end in the league has gotten as many sacks as he has with less help from the rest of the D-line, and he's developed into a much better run-stopper every year. I hope Griffin plays smart and protects himself. He won't want to be taking as many hits from our D as Cam Newton did.

    If your Skins have a lead in the fourth, watch for Wilson to come alive. Since college, the trends have screamed that he gets hottest in crunch time, and his rookie year is no exception. Best of luck Sunday.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:00 pm
  • KDawg_ES wrote:Greetings,

    I am from Extremeskins.com.


    Isn't that the site where the same eight "extreme" Redskins fans web stroke each other all day to banjo music and refuse to allow any remotely intelligent football conversation? Sorry dude, it's hard to take you seriously if you claim that garbage as where you're from.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:04 pm
  • SoCalSeahawk wrote:
    KDawg_ES wrote:Greetings,

    I am from Extremeskins.com.


    Isn't that the site where the same eight "extreme" Redskins fans web stroke each other all day to banjo music and refuse to allow any remotely intelligent football conversation? Sorry dude, it's hard to take you seriously if you claim that garbage as where you're from.


    No, that's not the site. Or what happens on that site.

    But you're entitled to your opinion, especially because I'm on your turf. But I am sorry that a few of our posters have ruined the forum for you. We have some outstanding people there. Apparently, the bad ones stuck out to you and that's unfortunate. I apologize on their behalf. But I am not them.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:06 pm
  • Damn KDawg, I really want to dislike you but you're just entirely too affable.

    I hereby bestow upon you the title of "Worlds Most Reasonable Redskins Fan". Enjoy.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:13 pm
  • drastik wrote:
    TaterHawk wrote:Best matchup this year. Washington’s D is not very good simple as that. Seattle is a more balanced team overall (possibly the best in the league as far as all around balance) but young teams have issues on the road. Everything I’ve seen and what I know about both teams this one is a split 50/50. 10 games against each other (at Washington) would have these teams both .500. I see some edge Seattle and some edge to Washington. Both teams want to take away the run and force these QB’s to throw. Wilson is less likely to take risk when receivers are covered. RW3 will fire and pray, not a good idea with this group of DB’s. Seattle tends to get conservative (game management) on the road, where Washington will be more likely to take risk for some possible big plays. Seattle is exposed to the short passing game over the middle with the type of offense Washington runs (I smell some holding calls on Trufant, and our LB’s getting sucked up out of position). The QB most likely to press and make a rookie mistakes in this game…RW3. Wilson is the smartest QB as a rookie that I’ve ever seen. RW3 will press at times when he should go down or throw it away.

    Looking down the road this is the game a fear most in all possible playoff matchups for Seattle

    When you say RW3 are you referring to RG3 or Wilson?

    If you're referring to RG3, you're analysis of him is very wrong, he has protected the ball better than any QB in the NFL.

    This will be a fun game. Redskins have a top 5 offense, Seahawks have a top 5 defense.

    Redskins have one of the worst defenses in the entire league, Seahawks have an offense ranked in the bottom half of the league.


    Don't let that stat about Seattle's offense fool you. Since PC and Bevell have taken the handcuffs off of Russell Wilson, it has been very dynamic, maybe more so than even the Redskins'.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:15 pm
  • SoCalSeahawk wrote:
    KDawg_ES wrote:Greetings,

    I am from Extremeskins.com.


    Isn't that the site where the same eight "extreme" Redskins fans web stroke each other all day to banjo music and refuse to allow any remotely intelligent football conversation? Sorry dude, it's hard to take you seriously if you claim that garbage as where you're from.

    Dude every site has it's share of bad apples. Even this one. It's a shame that you judge an entire group of team fans by a select few.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:11 pm
  • KDawg, you do actually bring some good conversation. But it's not just a few on your site, it is literally the "welcome" message to Seahawk fans on your site which says to keep our opinions to ourselves unless we completely agree with the opinions expressed by the ER.com home crowd. Oh, and go away! And we are racist because some idiot allegedly made a comment about Sean Taylor's murder back in 2007.

    On to football:

    I do think the Seahawk's D matches up very well with your offense. I say very well because I believe that RGIII's degraded physical status will be greatly amplified against this defense. He was able to slip past some of the Cowboy defenders on a couple of occasions, but there is a different level coming this Sunday. Also, Browner and Sherman don't get much pub for their run support but they are both excellent in that regard. Especially Browner who weighs in at about 225lbs and won't normally be denied his point by a WR trying to block him. He is very capable of putting a Kam Chancellor type hit on all comers.

    I like Alfred Morris and his nickname is cool too. I believe he will probably get close to hundred yards, but it will be hard earned. He must be very tough to get ahold of because he doesn't seem fast and not much of a wiggle either, but the dude can ball (obviously, 1600 yards). Your other weapons; The Seahawks are #1 in the NFL against opposing #1 receivers. They are 10th against #2s & #3s. Whatever Garcon has done for this offense will likely be greatly diminished against us. We are only mid level against TEs but that is the one position where the Redskins aren't really a factor.

    It wasn't too long ago that 'Hawk fans felt our defense had a better shot at stopping an offense on 3rd and 1 as opposed to 3rd and 10. I know that's backward, but it seemed to hold true. Going by memory I think we were statistically last in allowing 3rd down conversions at about the week five mark. Now you say we are 24th. Still not good overall, but it would seem we are about the league average over the past ten weeks or so. Trust me though, every one of us will be holding our breath when we get you to that 3rd and 8-10 yards.

    The Seahawks ST is good in all aspects. Looking purely at stats, the Redskin's ST is pretty bad. I hope that you have plenty of kick-off returns against us to prove if the stats are correct or not.

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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:06 am
  • SoCalSeahawk wrote:KDawg, you do actually bring some good conversation. But it's not just a few on your site, it is literally the "welcome" message to Seahawk fans on your site which says to keep our opinions to ourselves unless we completely agree with the opinions expressed by the ER.com home crowd. Oh, and go away! And we are racist because some idiot allegedly made a comment about Sean Taylor's murder back in 2007.


    I'll address this now, considering people keep bringing it up. I posted that I was from extremeskins.com in order to prove to you that we have good posters there. Not just one, but many. The mods are not employed by the team, they are merely fans who get tired of wading through stuff. I don't advocate their actions, but it's not just opposing team fans that they put on a short leash. Several 'Skins fans have been banned. Many of which go around to other sites bashing extremeskins.com. To each their own. I don't find the need to bash anyone for their opinions. Everyone is entitled to them and I understand the reasoning behind the forums dislike. But like I said, I came here for two reasons: 1) I love the game of football and want to have some good convo. 2) To represent ES properly.

    I'm glad I made the decision to register, I'm having a blast talking football with you guys.

    He was able to slip past some of the Cowboy defenders on a couple of occasions, but there is a different level coming this Sunday.


    DeMarcus Ware isn't just some defender. He's one of the NFLs best. I don't think the Seahawk Ends play at the same level as Ware. In fact, the only part of your defense that doesn't completely scare me are your guys on the edges.

    Also, Browner and Sherman don't get much pub for their run support but they are both excellent in that regard.


    Oh, absolutely. Those two can play in all facets of the game. Solid, solid defensive backs. I'm hoping Browner is a bit rusty, to be honest :)
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:31 am
  • The 'Skins run some extremely interesting wrinkles in their offense as well. With the pistol set, and Darrell Young aligned in the backfield (our fullback) they run some interesting plays to keep defenses on their toes. Young is an underrated player, but make no mistake, he's a very, very good fullback.

    They run elements of Nevada's offense developed by Chris Ault. You've seen bits and pieces of it with the 49ers and former Wolfpack quarterback Colin Kaepernick, but you haven't seen it to the extent that the Redskins run it.

    From the pistol set running the zone read they do some different things. They do it without a fullback. Or they do it with one. When Young is in, they will often have him run directly at the EMLOS (End man on line of scrimmage). Ends and outside backers who are the force player have certain techniques to attack a fullback coming at them. Some utilize the wrong arm, some like to rip across. It varies from team to team. But what winds up throwing that scheme down the toilet is when the fullback doesn't block the end, but rather runs by him and picks up the nearest backer inside (which is called an arc block). That leaves the EMLOS as the read man for the zone read. But keep in mind, that end is also a guy that was primed to be blocked by the fullback, so he's likely out of position one way or the other.

    Now, to mix it up, the 'Skins will do the same thing, except instead of having Young arc block the backer, he'll attempt to hook the EMLOS. This is Ault's "Slice" play. By hooking the EMLOS, they seal the exterior of the LOS and open up a running lane to the outside. So the EMLOS now has to worry about Young blocking him or arc releasing past him. Now add the TE seam (or WR seam) option out of the look as well, where Griffin can keep it on the read and throw to the receiver. That receiver should help keep a safety out of the box to prevent the run. I'm A-OK with keeping Earl Thomas occupied by any means necessary. The dude can play.

    What's most interesting about this matchup is Carroll's Monte Kiffin taught cover 2 system. It's a flexible defense.

    Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor are key cogs to stopping the Redskin offense. The Seahawks will probably move Thomas around quite a bit from lining up on the LOS to playing the deep centerfield 1 high man look that they've been using. The Redskins need to have a counter for Thomas' flexibility. He is possibly the best defensive player on your team, in my opinion, and that's saying quite a lot with guys like Mebane, Bryant, Sherman, Browner, Wagner on that defense.

    He holds the key to this game (along with your corners). If they can shut down the zone read, the 'Skins will be forced into a base look consisting of the stretch run and zone action off of it. From there, if Seattle can neutralize that, it will be a long game for the 'Skins. But whether they can or not remains to be seen. Seattle's defense ranks 23rd in yards per carry against. They rank the same as the Cowboys do.

    I like Seattle's D, and I think they'll have more success against Morris and Griffin in the run game than the Cowboys did, but keep in mind that Washington boasts the number one rushing offense in the NFL.

    So while I have concerns over our offense getting moving, my biggest concern is our defense. Your offense is downright scary, and I don't want to see a shootout, because your defense is better than ours, and if it comes down to making one or two key stops you guys certainly have the advantage.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:10 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    If your Skins have a lead in the fourth, watch for Wilson to come alive. Since college, the trends have screamed that he gets hottest in crunch time, and his rookie year is no exception. Best of luck Sunday.


    The same came be said for RG3, though. Our quarterbacks are both calm, cool and collected and absolute leaders of men.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:47 pm
  • I looked up ES, but after I read the first post by the mods, I didn't bother reading much more.

    Believe me, I've seen opposing fans get torn up here, and for really no good reason at times. I don't really like it when anyone is a total homer, no matter of fan base, because it's really annoying. It's probably less annoying when it's your own team, but it's still somewhat annoying.

    That said, the Skins were the team I wanted to face least. It will be a close game, and may the best team win. I hope for a good clean game with no officiating fiascos/drama.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:55 pm
  • Went to es.com and got banned for saying "All I'm trying to do is gather some discourse on a site I know I can get an opposing opinion. Do you seriously have no interest in conversations with other fans in the league? I'm ok with that, maybe you could direct me to a board that encourages that type of discourse? "

    Whatever, I'm just happy to be on this board and out of that kind of strangeness. Thanks for bringing a lucid viewpoint of the Redskins perspective. I think we can all agree it's going to be a fantastic game. The one thing I'm excited to find out is how good the Seahawks really are. I'm also excited to see RGIII up against a top 5 defense.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:56 pm
  • Shock2k wrote:Went to es.com and got banned for saying "All I'm trying to do is gather some discourse on a site I know I can get an opposing opinion. Do you seriously have no interest in conversations with other fans in the league? I'm ok with that, maybe you could direct me to a board that encourages that type of discourse? "

    Whatever, I'm just happy to be on this board and out of that kind of strangeness. Thanks for bringing a lucid viewpoint of the Redskins perspective. I think we can all agree it's going to be a fantastic game. The one thing I'm excited to find out is how good the Seahawks really are. I'm also excited to see RGIII up against a top 5 defense.

    That's unfortunate.
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Re: The Skins/Hawks Match Up
Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:18 pm
  • LuvMySkins wrote:
    Shock2k wrote:Went to es.com and got banned for saying "All I'm trying to do is gather some discourse on a site I know I can get an opposing opinion. Do you seriously have no interest in conversations with other fans in the league? I'm ok with that, maybe you could direct me to a board that encourages that type of discourse? "

    Whatever, I'm just happy to be on this board and out of that kind of strangeness. Thanks for bringing a lucid viewpoint of the Redskins perspective. I think we can all agree it's going to be a fantastic game. The one thing I'm excited to find out is how good the Seahawks really are. I'm also excited to see RGIII up against a top 5 defense.

    That's unfortunate.


    It's all good, I'm fortunately on a site where you guys can head over and have the conversation I was looking for.

    With that, it has to be in the back of your mind that this is going to be the toughest defense you've face all year. You must be wondering how REALLY good your offense is.

    When we put up 42 on the 9'ers, it wasn't the real 9'ers, Aldon Smith was shut down without having Justin pullling blocks for him. So I'm really not sure what to think of that game. Especially when the Rams (Still a really good defense) gave us so many problems with thier blitz schemes.

    This game gives me more questions then confidence. I kind of wish it was the NFCC Games instead. Maybe next year. I could see these two teams as #1/#2 with byes. (Of course the Seahawks are the #1 seed).
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