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11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:32 am
  • We are 11-5, but does it matter how we got to those 11 wins? The talking heads keep bringing up our 3-5 road record as a reason why we will lose to the Redskins. Our record:

    Home: 8-0
    Road: 3-5

    If we were:
    Home: 6-2
    Road: 5-3

    Would you feel more comfortable about this teams chances in the playoffs? Less comfortable? Or does it not change anything?

    Let's say we swap out the GB and NE home victories for the Miami and Det road losses. Does that change anything for you about how you feel about this team's chances?


    I say no. I would rather have those two wins at home vs Division Champions than ones against Det and Miami.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:35 am
  • As far as I'm concerned, since our winning streak began we're 2-0 on the road and it's a brand new season now.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:37 am
  • Regular season record doesn't mean anything in the playoffs.

    The 15-1 Packers got knocked out in their first playoff game last year. The 9-7 Giants won the Superbowl.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:39 am
  • People need to get a grip on the whole "ROAD WOES" stuff. This team isn't the same team that walked into AZ or STL. Every game was a 1 score affair, so we weren't bad in any case.

    I have confidence that we'll get it done. Someone shared it on here that RW is the 2nd highest road QB since the 2nd week of the season. We are peaking at the right time. If we can play well on 3rd down and force FG tries instead of TD's we'll win this game.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:41 am
  • If we'd been beaten on the road by more than one score multiple times I'd be concerned.

    We've been in every single game we've played this year till the end. The only one you could argue being out of was at SF, which was a poor game all around from a poor run defense, to receiver drops, to russell not being sharp. That was our "dog" of a game and we were still alive well into the 4th quarter.

    The team has been getting better at everything all season. There's no reason to think that playing on the road is as big a deal as it's made out to be.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:44 am
  • I'd rather it be the way it is. Most teams, save those with horrible home field advantage, have more trouble on the road than at home. Some get some cupcake teams on the road making it much easier to win. Three of our losses on the road were against division foes; one the very first game of Wilson's career. All were close, in spite of being at the homes of division rivals. At home we should have dominated and we did. Games like Buffalo - in a semi-"neutral" site against a lesser team we should have won handily and did.

    The games that really worry me are the Miami and Detroit games, and to a certain extent, the Panthers game. Those three games should have been wins. The Panthers game was a win, but against a 6-10 team, that was worse at the beginning of the year and didn't surge until far after we played them, we should have dominated more than just won.

    Winning the games we should win handily, plus winning at least some of the games that are either close or we are the underdogs, are the sign of a solid team. Having a better record on the road and not winning as much at home can signify flukier wins. I'll take solid consistency over flukes any day of the week.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:49 am
  • Regardless, I wouldnt want to swap out GB and NE games for 2 crap team wins.

    Beating Good teams is more motivating then beatings crap teams.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:55 am
  • Gives analyst something to ponder. Since some are putting the Seahawks in the glorified air of potential Superbowl contestants/winners, they need to look at the pros/cons, pretender/contender aspect. The losses at Detroit and Miami needs to be analyzed to understand any fatal flaws in the team.

    Plus the fact that to make it to the big game, the odds are high the Seahawks will have to be road warriors to get there. Nothing until now shown by the team would have the casual observer think they can get that done. Time to step up or go home.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:24 am
  • Apparently it does matter because when I bring up we won the NFC east, all I keep hearing on this board is how weak the NFC East is lol, so yea, I guess it does matter how you get your record. And I guess you guys got your record by being unstoppable at home but beatable on the road while the Redskins can play at home or on the road (5-3 both on the road and at home).

    Now, you can believe that if you want. I dont...This is the NFL, it's not easy winning games.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:26 am
  • As Pete Carroll often says, it's not how you start, it's how you finish.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:27 am
  • rdskns4eva wrote:Apparently it does matter because when I bring up we won the NFC east, all I keep hearing on this board is how weak the NFC East is lol, so yea, I guess it does matter how you get your record. And I guess you guys got your record by being unstoppable at home but beatable on the road while the Redskins can play at home or on the road (5-3 both on the road and at home).

    Now, you can believe that if you want. I dont...This is the NFL, it's not easy winning games.


    Sorry to hear folks are bashing the NFCE as weak but I remember Skins fans giving Seahawks fans grief over the NFCW in '05 and '07. Blowhards exist in both fanbases. They quickly go away when things don't go their way. One set of them will be disappointed after this weekend. I hope it is yours and not ours. Take care.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:31 am
  • Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:34 am
  • rdskns4eva wrote:Apparently it does matter because when I bring up we won the NFC east, all I keep hearing on this board is how weak the NFC East is lol, so yea, I guess it does matter how you get your record. And I guess you guys got your record by being unstoppable at home but beatable on the road while the Redskins can play at home or on the road (5-3 both on the road and at home).

    Now, you can believe that if you want. I dont...This is the NFL, it's not easy winning games.



    and this is where SOS and SOV come so well into play. Its not just home and away, its who you play.

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    Our SOS of schedule is close, but we beat the tougher opponents
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:39 am
  • Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.


    Yep. You're right. We're screwed. Bobby Griffen need not bring his A-Game. We'll just lie down in the fetal position and wait until the savage beating at the hands of the mighty Redskins is over. :180670:
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:43 am
  • 2010 Packers were 3-5 on the road...and were the #6 and won the Super Bowl. They even lost their last 3 regular season road games.

    All this "road woes" talk is a stereotype - basing one independent thing to support another independent thing. This team has a MINDSET instilled them like no other Hawks team before them.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:43 am
  • CANHawk wrote:
    Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.


    Yep. You're right. We're screwed. Bobby Griffen need not bring his A-Game. We'll just lie down in the fetal position and wait until the savage beating at the hands of the mighty Redskins is over. :180670:
    it's hard to look at those stats and not be a little discouraged
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:47 am
  • Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.

    What does it say about the 2012 Seahawks? I don't get it...
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:51 am
  • I think the how matters, as does the when.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:59 am
  • Hawkfan77 wrote:
    Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.

    What does it say about the 2012 Seahawks? I don't get it...
    It means for almost 3 decades, your franchise has been unable to win on the road. And it shows in your regular season record as well.

    I'm not trying to belittle your team, but it is a stat that you can't ignore.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:04 am
  • That 11-5 record got us to the playoffs but means nothing now. We put up or shut up. Playoffs are a whole different animal.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:06 am
  • Pikachu wrote:
    Hawkfan77 wrote:
    Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.

    What does it say about the 2012 Seahawks? I don't get it...
    It means for almost 3 decades, your franchise has been unable to win on the road. And it shows in your regular season record as well.

    I'm not trying to belittle your team, but it is a stat that you can't ignore.

    Again, what does 1983 have to do with 2012? This is the most pathetic grasp ever.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:07 am
  • Pikachu wrote:
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    Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.

    What does it say about the 2012 Seahawks? I don't get it...
    It means for almost 3 decades, your franchise has been unable to win on the road. And it shows in your regular season record as well.

    I'm not trying to belittle your team, but it is a stat that you can't ignore.


    There are very few players on the Seahawks roster who were even born then, so it means NOTHING. Fans can say it means whatever, I'm sure the players don't give a #$%^.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:08 am
  • Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.


    The last time someone scored 50 points in back to back games was 62 years ago..

    This team has been rewriting history for the last 2 months.. the road playoff thing will be the latest mark to fall.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:09 am
  • I can't wait until the Redskin fans go away. They're really quite annoying...
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:13 am
  • Pikachu wrote:It means for almost 3 decades, your franchise has been unable to win on the road. And it shows in your regular season record as well.

    I'm not trying to belittle your team, but it is a stat that you can't ignore.


    The '05 Seahawks hadn't won a playoff game in 2 decades until playing the Skins. Things can change. Just like sooner or later Ryan's Falcons are going to win a playoff game. Folks could be getting lathered up for nothing.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:18 am
  • CANHawk wrote:I can't wait until the Redskin fans go away. They're really quite annoying...


    lol all we've done is debate, just like most fans would...if we bring up legitimate points, there is no reason to be annoyed outside ouer homerism.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:18 am
  • Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.


    True. I really hope Zorn and Largent bring their A games this week!
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:20 am
  • rdskns4eva wrote:
    CANHawk wrote:I can't wait until the Redskin fans go away. They're really quite annoying...


    lol all we've done is debate, just like most fans would...if we bring up legitimate points, there is no reason to be annoyed outside ouer homerism.


    As you can see, one of yours did just bring up the "haven't won a playoff road game in 29 years" point, so legitimate points are far from the only ones being brought.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:22 am
  • youngchew wrote:Regular season record doesn't mean anything in the playoffs.

    The 15-1 Packers got knocked out in their first playoff game last year. The 9-7 Giants won the Superbowl.


    History says otherwise. In the last 20 years about 50% of the #1 seeds have made the superbowl
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:26 am
  • CANHawk wrote:I can't wait until the Redskin fans go away. They're really quite annoying...


    You have it all wrong.. per their dictatorship of a message board, Seahawk fans are the anti-Christ
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:34 am
  • Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.


    So why does our road record matter, but your awful home record doesn't? 64-63 since Fed Ex opened, and WAY below .500 the past 4-5 years.

    If you're going to throw out stats, at least be consistent.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:37 am
  • Russell Wilson isn't the same QB as he was in the beginning of the Season, and in fact, ALL the Rookies (Sweezy, Turbin, Wagner Etc.) are completely different players than they were in the beginning,,You don't start out playing and making mistakes, and then continue on that level.
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:55 am
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    rdskns4eva wrote:
    CANHawk wrote:I can't wait until the Redskin fans go away. They're really quite annoying...


    lol all we've done is debate, just like most fans would...if we bring up legitimate points, there is no reason to be annoyed outside ouer homerism.


    As you can see, one of yours did just bring up the "haven't won a playoff road game in 29 years" point, so legitimate points are far from the only ones being brought.


    And I also saw a thread that said the three reasons the Skins are going to win are RG3, RG3 and RG3. Nice debating skills.

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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:35 pm
  • http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hot ... -advantage

    Washington Redskins
    They have the league's third-largest stadium (after the Giants/Jets and Cowboys), but it doesn't translate into a home-field advantage. Washington has a .478 home winning percentage over the past 20 years, the fourth-worst mark

    Just to add to this in the last decade you only have 6 more wins at home then we have on the road
    http://www.sportsdatallc.com/2012/09/04 ... ntage-nfl/


    So we could say because your at home you will lose because of history :stirthepot:
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:37 pm
  • Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.

    I think it says alot about the Redskins for the fact that their last two playoff appearances have been losses to the Seahawks. What has your team done in the past 20 years?
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:42 pm
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:07 am
  • Hawkfan77 wrote:We are 11-5, but does it matter how we got to those 11 wins? The talking heads keep bringing up our 3-5 road record as a reason why we will lose to the Redskins. Our record:



    the Hawks have shut up the talking heads so many times this year I lost count, how bout that old Cowboys crack head and his last 3 Seahawk game picks?

    what a dolt, something the NFL experts aren't lacking, DOLTS

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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:12 am
  • SeaHawk80 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread-home-field-advantage/nfl-hot-read-which-teams-biggest-home-field-advantage

    Washington Redskins
    They have the league's third-largest stadium (after the Giants/Jets and Cowboys), but it doesn't translate into a home-field advantage. Washington has a .478 home winning percentage over the past 20 years, the fourth-worst mark

    Just to add to this in the last decade you only have 6 more wins at home then we have on the road
    http://www.sportsdatallc.com/2012/09/04 ... ntage-nfl/


    So we could say because your at home you will lose because of history :stirthepot:


    Funny fact that hasn't been covered yet. The Redskins are actually playing better offense on the road. I didn't look to far into it, but could it be the field conditions?
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:17 am
  • Pikachu wrote:Of course it matters. If you're 3-5 in road games, and the last road play off game your team won was 29 years ago....I think it says a lot Bout the Seahawks.



    you might have a point if it was the same personnel or even some of the same, but the fact of the matter is since 2000 the Hawks have played 11 post season games, I'll let you figure out why all of those 11 weren't road games.

    Hawks have also won 5 playoff games since 2000 as well but thats the old squad, even 2010 was old squad when they beat the reigning champions at the woodshed with a losing record.

    todays Seahawks are a much improved team and most of their first 8 games were road games so yea, they were bound to lose some of those, the Seahawks drastically improved as a team and an organization since week 8 proving not only can they win on the road but bust off a few cleats on the road as well..

    the Hawks do play well on the road, they just play better at home and as of late have a tendency to run up the score, its all about being dialed in and pleasing the crowd. ;)
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:05 am
  • This 11-5 team looks more dangerous to me than the 2005 super bowl team
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Re: 11-5 Does it matter how?
Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:07 am
  • yungeva wrote:This 11-5 team looks more dangerous to me than the 2005 super bowl team


    I'm thinking this is a good thing we lost those road games. The Redskin fans seem to be using it as a way to sleep on the Hawks. Shanahan isn't going to sleep on them, but....
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