I could see the award going to any of these guys. And to be perfectly honest with you all, I don't really care who they decide on. In fact, let them decide on RG3 or Luck, and let us go to the Super Bowl. Win or lose, you can't at that point, argue that there was a better rookie QB than Russell Wilson.

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Alright. I like RGIII, a lot. I think he's going to be very good, HOWEVER, he's been playing with a baby offense. Shanahan has basically allowed Griffin to do what he did in College, and that's mostly short dump-offs and screens, option runs and play action deep throws. I think that RGIII will be a very successful QB in this league. You redskins fans need to wise up about Wilson though. He has not had a baby offense, doesn't have elite WRs with speed and separation, or a consistently reliable O-line. He's put up the numbers he has not because of Lynch, but based on pure playmaking ability and a command of the offense.

You're going to get to see this Sunday just how special Wilson is. I think there are plenty on here who are selling RGIII extremely short, but I'd prefer to keep Wilson over RGIII every day of the week. There's just an intangible awesomeness about him. RGIII has measurable greatness, and as I said, i think he's going to be very successful in this league and will get better, but after a while, teams are going to figure that offense out, and i'll be interested to see how well Griffin adapts.

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while the pro bowl is a bit of a popularity contest, on 33.3% of the vote comes from the fans . . . an additional 33.3% comes from the players votes and another 33.3% comes from the coaches votes . . . that being said, due to the last 3 games (one in which out and two serviceable but unspectacular games) puts Wilson into the lead . . . IF they would i would think that co-rookies of the year would be interested and that would really rile up the luck fan base . . . lol[/quote]

I'm just saying one of the biggest pro bowl snubs this year is Richard Sherman and also Alfred Morris. Some players get voted in constantly and have mediocre years.

As far as ROTY really all these guys mentioned could win and I will be satisfied with either they choose. They all deserve it with what they have accomplished as rookies. I would just be more excited if wilson won.

The reason he didn't make the pro bowl is because it's a popularity contest. It's bull shit

while the pro bowl is a bit of a popularity contest, on 33.3% of the vote comes from the fans . . . an additional 33.3% comes from the players votes and another 33.3% comes from the coaches votes . . . that being said, due to the last 3 games (one in which out and two serviceable but unspectacular games) puts Wilson into the lead . . . IF they would i would think that co-rookies of the year would be interested and that would really rile up the luck fan base . . . lol

I'm just saying one of the biggest pro bowl snubs this year is Richard Sherman and also Alfred Morris. Some players get bored in constantly and have mediocre years.

agreed for sure . . . how in the world did frank gore get in over morris?? or how Tillman and Peterson got in over Sherman i will never know either though i think Sherman got docked a bit due to the positive test for PED's . . .

How come you didn't mention straight touchdown numbers? Where Wilson is better than RGIII and would have been more so if our D/ST hadn't taken it to the Cardinals without his help.

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Wilson is ahead in TD, but remember, its only by two and RG3 missed 1.5 games, so it is far to say that he would have matched or exceeded that number. Of course it's fair to say that he would have thrown 4 picks as well.

Well, if we're going to throw out that missed game, then we should probably do it for the most important stat in the NFL

Wilson: 11 wins

RG3: 9

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you mean 10?

9. Unless RGIII and Kirk Cousins are actually one in the same.

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RG3 won 9 games. He started 15. Cousins started 1 and won 1.

[quote="Sarlacc83Wilson: 11 wins

RG3: 9[/quote]
Absolutely wins should be a huge factor in ROTY. But since all three major candidates are in the payoffs (one being a division champ), it's probably going to come down to stats.

The talk about RGIII's injury and missed game(s), brings up the #1 reason why Russell Wilson should win ROTY over RGIII.

Russell Wilson was there when his team needed him. He was healthy and able to start against San Francisco, the game that determined if we would be in the playoffs or not. And not only was he able to start, he came in and dominated the best defense in the NFL.

RGIII is a gimmick. He'll be as short-lived as the other gimmicks in NFL history. He suffered injuries in college, and has already had a knee injury and a concussion. Knee injuries and concussions will end his career.

Russell Wilson is a highly effective NFL QB. He doesn't get injured. He doesn't get flustered. All the kid does is go out and put up TDs on the board and win games. And come through when you most need him.

Define gimmick.

A QB completes 65% of his passes, 20/5 TD/INT ratio, 8.1 yards per attempt...If that is a gimmick, I'll take that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

RG3 doesnt get flustered either...whats your point?

Also, not being injured isnt a prerequisite for winning awards.

Holy crap is your bias showing. You almost sound as bad as some of the idiotic Luck supporters on various Colts forums with the way you're trying to talk down about RG3 Why can't they both be great rookie QBs?

and that second part of your statement..."he doesn't get flustered, all he does is put up TDs and win games, comes up most when you need him." Could we not say the EXACT same thing about RG3?

gim·mick [gim-ik]: noun
1. an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.

The Redskins have successfully implemented a gimmick offense (the pistol / zone-read) based on Griffin's notoriety as a running threat. A great deal of Morris' success can be attributed directly to that. The same is true with the Seahawks and Wilson. There's a reason why Lynch is averaging 5.0 YPC.

The problem isn't that Griffin is a gimmick. The problem is that he has a reckless running style and has suffered a knee injury as a result. An injured Griffin (in a knee brace) means no more running threat and therefore, the entire point of running the pistol is eliminated. Defenses can now key on stopping Morris, and don't need to worry about Griffin rushing out of the play action.

You'll see it first-hand on Sunday. Seattle will be selling out on Morris and leaving a single guy in spy. With our excellent man-coverage corners, suddenly that pistol is firing blanks. We'll have a safety and our LBs standing there waiting for Griffin to come running, and then we're going to ring his bell.



If you get enough pressure on Griffin, he starts trying to force plays, will run when guys are open, and will fumble the ball. Keep pressuring and he stops throwing deep, starts checking down. He did it in college, and he does it in the pros, so it's hard to pin that on an OC. Griffin's never had a serious problem with INTs, but he fumbles a lot. Luckily for his ROTY award chances, the Redskins were able to recover a vast majority of those fumbles. You can try to hide behind INT numbers all you want, but you know as well as I do that he has a problem with fumbles. At least, if you've been watching him play then you do.



Since when is health not a factor in success? Fact is, Griffin didn't get the Redskins into the playoffs. It was Cousins who stepped up and won 2 games when Washington desperately needed it. Griffin was sitting on the sideline with a blown-up knee. Kid has had problems with his knee since college, and now he's getting concussions. Good luck with that. I'll stick with the kid who can get out of bounds and stay healthy.

hahahahaha

This makes me laugh. These 2 guys are so close both sides are having problems making a really complete reason for one or the other.

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Cousins won 1 game. He threw 2 passes agaisnt the Ravens. Lets not get crazy here.

He also beat the Browns...again, lets not make the Browns out to be the 2007 Patriots. If you cant beat the Browns with a backup qb, you are not a playoff team, period.

Also, that injured RG3 in a brace averaged 10 per carry on Sunday. I think he'll be fine. Word is, he may lose the brace this week for the Hawks game. We'll see. The knee is 100%. At this point, the training staff just wants him to wear it as a precaution but he doesnt need it.

I like how you downplay Cousin's role in that win against Baltimore. I guarantee you that if the only thing Cousins did against Baltimore was to throw a couple passes, he wouldn't have got the press and the national attention that he did.

In reality, what you don't want to admit is that Griffin was losing that game, the Redskins were down by 8. Griffin got desperate, took an unnecessary and foolish risk, and got his knee blown up by Haloti Ngata while trying to get extra yards on a scramble. And while he was laying on a stretcher on the sideline, Cousins came in, threw a touchdown and then ran in the 2-pt conversion to tie up the game and send it to OT.

Don't make it sound like the game was wrapped up, because it wasn't. That's my whole point. You get Griffin flustered, you put pressure on him, get him down late in the game, and he's going to take foolish risks. Risks that will end his career if he doesn't change his ways.

And that will matter against the Seahawks. Because we have a tough defense. You aren't going to outscore the Seahawks early, you're not going into the 4th quarter with a big lead. Griffin will feel the pressure, and will try to make a big play, and our defense will be there to take advantage. The gimmick won't work against a good defense because we aren't scared of RGIII running on us.