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As long as Luck doesn't get it (which he doesn't deserve), I'm fine with RGIII getting OROY, he deserves it about as much as Russell does.
If RGIII Gets OROY
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:13: :13: I can go with that I just cant go with Clayton's man crush.Throwdown":vwqjk4kp said:
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They are both deserving. Rg3 has been the most consistent rookie QB this year but over the last 5-6 weeks, Wilsons been amazing. It really is a toss up, but Im rooting for my boy RG3!!
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Yeah too close to call that's what sucks.. but this has been an amazing rookie qb draft class though; they're the future of the NFL.rdskns4eva":2h0rfdfx said:
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Sorry , but I don't agree, no Rookie and most Quarterbacks in the League do not prepare, and study as hard for games, I don't see how he'd improve over his thoroughness either.JSeahawks":2uhio6gt said:
I don't believe for one second that he's not already being the best he can be.
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Bakergirl":2s3do6mf said:
Padded stats implies that he got the yards when it didnt matter. RG3 was THE MOST hyped quarterback of the big 3, by far...not even a close second. And he not only lived up to the hype, he exceeded it.
There is something to be said for a player that was as hyped up as RG3 with all the PRESSURE that comes with that hype playing as well as he did.
No disrespect to RW at all, but he had no hype coming into the season.
RG3 had to carry this team for a ton of games because the defense was just horrid.
Again, not saying that RW should not win because he is deserving, but you have to put the two situations in context. What helps RW is te fact that he is a 3rd round draft pick. You dont expect a 3rd Round Rookie QB to put up the numbers he did.
What hurts him is the fact that he really just started getting hot in the second half of the season where as RG3 has been great since week 1, notwithstanding a couple of games. And again, RG3 was asked to carry the team for the first half of the year until the defense decided to start playing after the week 10 bye.
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Decimation":217wsmvz said:
That's how I see it - almost too close to call for either Wilson or RGIII. I don't see Luck as being in their same class, in spite of all the passing yards. If your job is to throw the ball every down and hope the right guy comes down with it, then Luck's a shoe-in. Otherwise Wilson and RGIII are both superior quarterbacks at this point.
The couple of knocks I'd have against RGIII would be the high percentage of short, safe passes he's thrown, and the fact he has fewer touchdowns and more combined interceptions/fumbles. RGIII has some great ball control, and the few interceptions he's thrown is pretty amazing. He's fumbled a ton, though, and even if he's only lost a handful, fumble recoveries are really a crapshoot, and thus not a good indicator. Total fumbles paint a better picture. And the caliber of teams he's played against are a slight knock in my book. Luck's done what he has with a cupcake schedule. RGIII had a pretty decent schedule, but Wilson's was absolutely brutal. And he won more games against tougher opponents, without even getting all the preseason snaps and practices.
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Seahawk Sailor":1ul2um3v said:
Thats the thing. Again, it was clear early in the year that they held RW back A TON whereas RG3 was the biggest reason for the Redskins offensive success.
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rdskns4eva":28ast5kx said:
Yep. And a lot of us wonder how damn good Wilson would have been if they hadn't throttled him back the first half of the year. Many of us were calling for them to open it up and trust him long before they did. If they had, it's entirely possible he'd have ended up with a bunch more touchdowns and yardage. And most of his interceptions were of the "bad luck" variety - i.e., bouncing off receivers' hands into the defender - rather than the "bad decision" type where he threw it when/where he shouldn't have.
I really think if he'd been given the keys to the starting job from day one and allowed to do his thing, this whole ROY conversation would be pretty much moot by now. And that's why I'd give him a hairs-width nod for ROY over RGIII, and both a good distance away from Luck in third place.
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Was going to post something to elevate the thread you know, to bring my A game.
But then I realized I'm still hurt that Derrick Fenner didn't get a thousand yards all those years ago and that lost sense destiny, award and accolade won't happen for Fenner. I mean Wilson.
Fenner, come-back player of the year.
But then I realized I'm still hurt that Derrick Fenner didn't get a thousand yards all those years ago and that lost sense destiny, award and accolade won't happen for Fenner. I mean Wilson.
Fenner, come-back player of the year.
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rdskns4eva":3rkasgly said:
I keep seeing argument that RW was asked to do less because he was put on a more complete team (while they turn around and put the Seahawks below those other teams in other rankings because we aren't as complete?) I would like to point out that while RW was asked to do less at the beginning of the season, the Seahawks didn't start to look like a serious contender until he was allowed to do more.
The thing that amazed me was just the amount of separation RGIII's receivers were getting, are they that much better than ours?
It seemed like every TD pass I watched RGIII throw was to a guy with nobody within 5 yards of him.
We only ever seem to get that separation when McCoy illegally blocks upfield
It seemed like every TD pass I watched RGIII throw was to a guy with nobody within 5 yards of him.
We only ever seem to get that separation when McCoy illegally blocks upfield
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SirTed":tgier0bj said:
You could make the argument that Wilson isn't as reliant on a system or that he faced a more difficult schedule of defenses. I could see a reasonable argument for Wilson to win it.
That said, I'd probably vote for Griffin. He's been remarkably consistent all season and has put up some impressive numbers. He's completely deserving.
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rdskns4eva":2m3qve88 said:
Dude, that's a load of hogwash. Luck was hyped for 2 years as the next Peyton Manning. No one coined a phrase like Suck for Luck with Griffin. If Luck wasn't the most hyped draft player ever, I'd be astonished. Why else is Luck still in contention for rookie of the year?
Also, RG3 and Luck were handed their respect on a silver platter. Wilson earned his, and that should play into the debate.
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Sarlacc83":1gte589v said:
Case in point: Half the country calls him Griffin, the other half is Griffith
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This. RG3 also had the benefit of going in the first round and being named starter for Washington from day one. Wilson had to fight for the job and earn his place which took a lot of valuable time from him in camp. Had he the benefit of being day one starter in camp the first part of Seattle's season looks a whole lot different. I'm guessing they win a few more games and claim the #2 seed over the 49ers. What could have been...Yes RG3 put up some impressive numbers, but against what quality of opponents? Wilson faced top defense after top defense and still came out on top. Could RG3 have done the same? Debatable.
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