jewhawk":39dzdxin said:
It has been a trend here that efficiency stats are being overvalued without any consideration for Luck's usage.
This is a great, detailed article from a few weeks ago comparing how Luck's usage affects his efficiency numbers compared to RG3's (the article only compares Luck and RG3, not Wilson). There are arguments that could be made for Wilson or RG3 for ROY also, and it truly wouldn't be a robbery if these three finished in any order for ROY.
I made the comparison in that thread too, but it's worth repeating that there was a thread in this forum a couple weeks ago asking what the best season ever from a Seahawk QB was, and the most frequent answer was 2007 Hasselbeck even though his efficiency stats that year weren't close to his 2005 or Wilson's 2012.. You could consider a lot of the arguments for 2007 Hasselbeck from that thread in favor of Luck in the ROY race this year.
All the article really argues is that Luck earns recognition for seeing more reps. I find that hard to swallow as much of an argument though, Wilson and RG3 had games this year where they topped 30 or 35 attempts and their efficiency numbers did not change. If either QB were placed in Indy I would not expect them to revert to a 75 passer rating just from passing more and handing off less. Earlier this season Wilson struggled precisely because the team did not utilize him enough which robbed him of the ability to establish rhythm.
I do think that some QBs- namely Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick, do truly seem more a product of the system than anything else. In a far less exaggerated sense, both Wilson and RG3 had a tangible benefit from playing in such well rounded offenses.
But that said, how many 6th round rookies have the kind of season Morris just had? It's reasonable to think that RG3's threat to run had a symbiotic relationship with his running game. Similarly, Lynch just had a career year when paired with Wilson, a dual threat QB. If we are going to detract from those QBs for having a running game, some of that should be given back for making their RBs better.
And to me, the idea that 2007 Hasselbeck was better than 2012 Wilson is way off the mark. There are many ways to exploit defenses against the pass- having a rushing attack is not the only way. Seattle also played one of the easiest schedules in NFL history that season. The 2007 offense was basically a very heavy dose of Hasselbeck to Engram. Before this season very few people suggested that 2007 was even Matt's best year, so it seems weird that they'd say it now when Wilson has surpassed 2005 Hass.
Just my opinion, but I know greatness when I see it, and Hasselbeck was never a truly elite QB in the same breath as Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady. The last 10 weeks, Wilson has been
that good, whether statistically or by the eyeball test.
