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 Post subject: Love for Wagner
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Well he set the record for tackles for the Hawks going back to the 70s whn Terry beeson set it. Sould be DROY for his effort or will the media give it to Kuechly??

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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Kuechly had a hell of a year. He could win it straight up.

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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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I give Bobby all the credit in the world, he had a fantastic year.

(Oh and for Montana's sake, you might want to use a different word than love in the thread title lol :th2thumbs: )

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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Kuechly sounds like he's done a damn good job, so if he comes second to him, I wouldn't be too mad at it.


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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Keuchly only has 1 INT. IMO Wagner made more impact plays, with Keuchly making more tackles.

Could be a toss up.


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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Keuchly is just as deserving.


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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Keuchly's team was playing from behind , which means he had more running plays coming at him to help pad his stats. He had a good year, but wagner was better.


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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Not that Wagner doesn't work hard developing this trade, but I think Kuechy spends even more time at it. He's Sort of a grinder like Russell Wilison. Kuechy was even labeled a 'nerd' in college, according to Scruggs, because he spend every last minute studying. Somehow I don't think Wagner, with his repetitive tweets about #SmoothChillin puts in as quite as much time. :-)

What I'm trying to say is that if Kuechy gets ROY, I wouldn't be too upset or surprised.


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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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How many tackles did he end up with?

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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Tackles is one of the most misleading stats. I'm not saying who deserves it more between Wagner and Kuechly, but basing DROY off total number of tackles makes no sense. A higher number of tackles could be attributed to being on the field a lot more, and who knows if they are quality tackles. They could be 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage after allowing a 1st down.


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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Don't much care as long as he's calling the shots on our D for a few more seasons. Hoisting the Lombardi beats all of these awards. I think a case could be built for him, but we need some of these guys to make us relevant for a decade so that our incoming Rookies will get more press.

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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Yeah, Wagner and Keuchly were both amazing this year. Just glad that Wags is in the conversation with Keuchly after the season he had. That'd be awesome if Wagner gets it. Go Hawks and Aggies!


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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Well he set the record for tackles for the Hawks going back to the 70s whn Terry beeson set it. Sould be DROY for his effort or will the media give it to Kuechly??


Terry Beeson didn't set a record, because tackles weren't a stat when he played. They didn't become a stat until probably 15 years ago or so. Sacks weren't a stat for many years either, that is why you always hear Deacon Jones complaining about the "record holder" because he officially has zero career sacks, even though we all saw highlights of him putting up sometimes five or six within a single game.

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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Well he set the record for tackles for the Hawks going back to the 70s whn Terry beeson set it. Sould be DROY for his effort or will the media give it to Kuechly??


Terry Beeson didn't set a record, because tackles weren't a stat when he played. They didn't become a stat until probably 15 years ago or so. Sacks weren't a stat for many years either, that is why you always hear Deacon Jones complaining about the "record holder" because he officially has zero career sacks, even though we all saw highlights of him putting up sometimes five or six within a single game.

Well the Seahawks post game show clearly indicated that Wagner had beaten the record of Terry Beeson for Tackles on the team. May have not been a NFL stat but the Hawks must have had a stat on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Love for Wagner
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Yeah, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. It is funny though they claim he broke a record that can't exist if it isn't an official stat. I guess we could create a stat and start tracking it and give out a .NET award. It might be fun.

I know that I've requested Bosworth's tackle stats from the team as have others many times and been told they don't have them as they didn't keep track until like 2000. So take that for what it's worth. I know that there were games I have on tape where Boz had racked up close to 15 tackles, but again... it wasn't compiled for a year because the team and the league didn't recognize it. If you ever find out Terry's totals and other good LB'ers over the years, I'd love to see them.

To have a season like Beeson says a lot. The dude was a machine. He was the best player on the field for long stretches for the early Seahawks. I feel bad for those who never got a chance to see guys like him play. They were our first heroes.

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