The future of Matt Flynn

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pinksheets":10p9nr2a said:
I don't see how Flynn would have gone from having little interest in FA (yeah Manning blah blah blah, doesn't explain pretty much zero interest) to being worth a 3rd rounder to a team. Flynn hasn't done anything to raise his stock this year from coming off of the big numbers in GB.

You can't judge this year by last years results. Those disinterested teams thought they had it made with Gabbert/Kolb/Ponder/Palmer/Vick/Freeman/Sanchez+Tebow/Fitzpatrick/Weeden/Cassell/Locker. They found out otherwise.

So do they continue with what they have, take a chance using a 1st round pick on a QB again? Or maybe they use a 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick on a QB? Highly unproductive way of finding a franchise QB.

They could go after a trade/free agent that has had a modicum of success. It all depends on their situation. If they believe they have a talented team and are just a Quarterback away, I think a team would consider trading for Flynn. If they think they need someone that can start while their young QBOTF learns, or one that knows how to prepare to start in the NFL to mentor their young QB, I think they would consider someone like Flynn over the scraps that are on the street.

Anyway, there are a lot of variables including a front office's tenure and it's impossible to predict with any accuracy. But I believe with the current QB/FO situation being so unsettled on so many teams that Matt Flynn has that kind of value. Only time will tell.
 

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I've seen a few people here suggest the Eagles trade for Flynn and being the resident Eagles fan here, Allow me to just say no thank you.

Foles has performed decently considering how down the Eagles offensive side of the ball has been. In the games Nick Foles has started, he's been without

#1 WR DeSean Jackson
#1 RB Shady McCoy
#1 TE Brent Celek
#1 LT Jason Peters
#1 C Jason Kelce
#1 RG Danny Watkins (although I tend not to count this since he's terrible)
#1 RT Todd Herremans

Now he had a few of those guys for a game or two but for the most part, he's been working with a lot of backup garbage.

With the OLine being back to healthy next year and I anticipate the Eagles targeting a guy like Luke Joeckel in the Top 5 which will turn that OLine back into something strong.

I think whoever comes in to take of the Eagles will give Foles a full season with a healthy line and offensive weapons and then go from there.
 

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Would GB fans be somewhat unhappy if this was the second qb out of the past 3 that ended up in Minnesota.....

I actually really hope Flynn does NOT go to Minnesota. That would be a great fit for them and a team that I definately could see spending a 3rd round pick on Flynn. AP gives anyone time to throw and a 3rd rounder for Flynn is nothing they could still pick a rookie qb in the first round (try a good one this time) and be really tough next year
 

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Scottemojo":3r2mx3fj said:
The Radish":3r2mx3fj said:
I guess my real thoughts here are not about money but about the success of the current team.

Lets say we trade Flynn and run down some also ran for a backup. First game of next season Wilson gets hurt and is out for 4-5 games and we have no one with any experience in our offense or even team for that matter.

Then how does your $15 million argument stand up?

:les:
Well, if you used the 15 million to lock up a couple of our own, plus sign a decent backup QB for a lot less than you are paying the current guy, it stands up pretty good.

Les, I trust these guys. If Flynn goes, do we have any reason to think they won't have somebody decent to back up Russell next year?

I'll jump in here and say yea. I have reservations about them being able to turn around and find a back up right away. They took a couple of false steps and all of 2 and a half years to get to the level of play of a Russell Wilson.

I certainly wouldn't consider any of the previous candiates as exceptable backups. Plus, prospect Josh Portis didn't develop and survive as a 3rd string project.

The team has been thru trying times for want of a quarterback. If they are going to gamble, why not do so with a rotation specialist like a Jason Jones? Afterall, doesn't a backup quarterback trump a backup/specialist lineman?
 

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mikeak":205au5q0 said:
.........I actually really hope Flynn does NOT go to Minnesota. That would be a great fit for them and a team that I definately could see spending a 3rd round pick on Flynn. AP gives anyone time to throw and a 3rd rounder for Flynn is nothing they could still pick a rookie qb in the first round (try a good one this time) and be really tough next year
I agree that he would be a very good fit for the Viqueens. Good call. The (rhetorical) question is, are they willing to admit Ponder was a mistake after only 2 seasons?



xkj1985x":205au5q0 said:
I've seen a few people here suggest the Eagles trade for Flynn and being the resident Eagles fan here, Allow me to just say no thank you. Foles has performed decently considering how down the Eagles offensive side of the ball has been.........

The wildcard in your thinking is whomever the new coach is and how much does he like Foles? Like you, I wouldn't bench Foles in favor of Flynn, particularly if I'm not a WCO guy. But, who's the new coach and what type of offense he runs will be the deciding factor in whether or not Foles is the starter, Flynn aside.
 

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hawksfansinceday1":17xxawn3 said:
much does he like Foles? Like you, I wouldn't bench Foles in favor of Flynn, particularly if I'm not a WCO guy. But, who's the new coach and what type of offense he runs will be the deciding factor in whether or not Foles is the starter, Flynn aside.

Well its too early to tell but the name the Eagles appear to be in love with and there is a rumor that Howie Roseman (Eagles GM) has already talked to is Chip Kelly.

Now Foles doesn't fit Chip Kelly's Run & Shoot style of offense so that would be interesting. Vick said today that he won't take a paycut to stay in Philly so thats also a bit of a wrench thrown into things.

Kelly had made mention of Foles when he was in the Pac 12 that he loves Foles and that he was glad he was leaving the Pac 12 for the NFL Draft last year so who knows if there is anything to that IF the Eagles bring on Foles.

But you are 100% correct, a lot of unknowns until you see who the Eagles bring in. I just don't expect them to be in the Flynn market.
 

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If Minnesota moves on from Ponder, it seems unlikely they'd spend a mid-round pick for another QB with mediocre physical tools. They might as well stick with Ponder. For their GM to admit he made a major mistake drafting Ponder, he's going to need more than the skill set Flynn is offering.

There really aren't as many teams out there as people think that are going to be interested in Flynn. Maybe none.
 

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Until the coaching carousel stops spinning, there is little use trying to figure out where Flynn might go. New regimes, new quarterbacks.
 

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It's been said more than once in this thread that QB situations change drastically from year to year. Agreed, and it could almost be said week by week. I don't profess to know every nuance about evaluating a future pro-QB. That said, I'm not exactly in awe of those that claim they do, LOL...There's probably more busts than not at the position. It is (apparently) true there wasn't alot of interest in Flynn last year aka "The year of the QB". Someone compiled a nice list earlier in the thread that showed the vets that should be looking for work (like in another profession). Those teams will consider Flynn. Now, let's look at this draft. I will get slaughtered for this but IMO, Cousins or Foles would be first rd talent, compared to those who will be drafted this year. I am of the opinion there is not a QB in this draft much better, if better at all, than either of those two.

Kearly made a point about money and it was an excellent one. But unless we get 'more than he's worth', I'd hang on to Flynn for at least one more year.

Another poster commented that "Flynn is an average QB at best". How is it that you know more about him than we do? Are you looking at his numbers at LSU? No team in the history of this game evaluates QBs better than GB. They held onto Flynn for several years, that's good enough for me. I believe a buyer is going to be there for him and we are going to get excellent value for him.
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":330djtmy said:
If Minnesota moves on from Ponder, it seems unlikely they'd spend a mid-round pick for another QB with mediocre physical tools. They might as well stick with Ponder. For their GM to admit he made a major mistake drafting Ponder, he's going to need more than the skill set Flynn is offering.

There really aren't as many teams out there as people think that are going to be interested in Flynn. Maybe none.


How can you know what the skill set of Flynn is?

We only know what we saw, what you saw, what they saw.
The only thing they have seen is him throwing some gaudy numbers.

Unrealistic? true. but that doesnt concern us, it only concerns a desperate GM.
All this desperate GM see's is the PERCEIVED VALUE that can save his ass that is hanging on a sling.

Several factors loom for this off season
1) Crappy crappy qb class in the draft
2) Many desperate teams looking for a qb
3) Many desperate GM's looking for a qb
4) Flynn's very attractive financial package
5) No really decent starters from the list of backup qb's now available in the league.
6) Hawks not in a desperate situation to unload him, meaning they can play a cool cool cumcumber in trade negotiations.

Again, we don't trade Flynn.. but rather we are trading his PERCEIVED VALUE, his perceived potential and that can be argued and argued, but all we know is ..what 6 TD's in 1 game?

So I think we are in a very good shape here with Flynn.
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":37kxfbdw said:
If Minnesota moves on from Ponder, it seems unlikely they'd spend a mid-round pick for another QB with mediocre physical tools. They might as well stick with Ponder. For their GM to admit he made a major mistake drafting Ponder, he's going to need more than the skill set Flynn is offering.

There really aren't as many teams out there as people think that are going to be interested in Flynn. Maybe none.

Ponders major issue isn't lack if physical tools. It is two-fold

1) Pressure and importance in the situation makes Ponder worse not better
2) poor processing of information as the game happens

So opposite of RW. Those of us that are ACC fans all laughed when Ponder was picked 10th. I love to being up Rob Johnson. The reason is that on paper he is the prototype qb. The issue is you don't win games on paper. Ponder falls right into the category o looking good on paper....

Flynn has actually looked good in meaningless games. How it translates is a bet but less so than a bet of how it translates for a Barkley or Glennon....
 

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mikeak":3dtqxt50 said:
Ponders major issue isn't lack if physical tools. It is two-fold

1) Pressure and importance in the situation makes Ponder worse not better
2) poor processing of information as the game happens
His lack of physical tools is also a major issue; the guy simply doesn't have an NFL arm. Ponder has attempted 34 passes of longer than 20 yards this year and completed 4 of them.

His overall numbers don't look completely horrible, but that's because early in the season the Vikings' passing playbook was pass short to Harvin and let him run, and Harvin is really really good. Of the 40 qualifying QBs, Ponder is last with 2.3 air yards per attempt and first with 60.3 YAC%. If he didn't have Percy Harvin (and AP to take take some pressure off him) Ponder's numbers would be Lindley-esque. It would be inexcusable for the Vikings to not address the QB position this offseason. However, I could definitely see their failure with one physically limited QB making them hesitant to take their chances with another one.
 

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Scottemojo":3hbuukk5 said:
The Radish":3hbuukk5 said:
I guess my real thoughts here are not about money but about the success of the current team.

Lets say we trade Flynn and run down some also ran for a backup. First game of next season Wilson gets hurt and is out for 4-5 games and we have no one with any experience in our offense or even team for that matter.

Then how does your $15 million argument stand up?

:les:
Well, if you used the 15 million to lock up a couple of our own, plus sign a decent backup QB for a lot less than you are paying the current guy, it stands up pretty good.

Les, I trust these guys. If Flynn goes, do we have any reason to think they won't have somebody decent to back up Russell next year?

Reason 1 - Charlie Whitehurst

Reason 2 - Tarvaris Jackson

Reason 3- JP Losman

Reason 4 - Inconsistent QB evaluation, Russell Wislon has been lights out, but everyone here had a issue with how the whole QB position was being handled and weighed in on it one way or another. As of now we are pretty much in agreement with what we have and glad to have him.
 

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If we can get a decent pick for him i'd trade him in a heart beat. If we cant, i'm just as fine hanging on to him and bringing in another back up QB.
 

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Bobblehead":35axvn9k said:
How can you know what the skill set of Flynn is?

We only know what we saw, what you saw, what they saw.

Well, exactly. I've seen tape. From LSU, Green Bay and Seattle. Enough now to know what he is physically. Enough to appreciate why there wasn't much of a market last year.

You suggested Flynn's financial package is attractive, but not really. It's still $7-8m. That's a lot for a career backup. And people need to get over this being a crappy draft for QB's. There's still three viable first round options. Three options that are still more attractive than a near 30-year-old backup. It's wishful thinking that any 'desperate' (or not) GM is going to turn to Matt Flynn. The best we can hope hope for is to off-load his contract for minimal return. I still maintain what is more likely - he will be cut. He'll go somewhere else for an 'opportunity'. And probably not win the job there either.

mikeak":35axvn9k said:
Ponders major issue isn't lack if physical tools. It is two-fold

1) Pressure and importance in the situation makes Ponder worse not better
2) poor processing of information as the game happens

So opposite of RW. Those of us that are ACC fans all laughed when Ponder was picked 10th. I love to being up Rob Johnson. The reason is that on paper he is the prototype qb. The issue is you don't win games on paper. Ponder falls right into the category o looking good on paper....

Flynn has actually looked good in meaningless games. How it translates is a bet but less so than a bet of how it translates for a Barkley or Glennon....

Ponder has serious physical issues. His arm strength is woeful, he can't even throw a strong WR screen. Barkley is far superior.
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":3bpfyxi7 said:
It's wishful thinking that any 'desperate' (or not) GM is going to turn to Matt Flynn. The best we can hope hope for is to off-load his contract for minimal return. I still maintain what is more likely - he will be cut. He'll go somewhere else for an 'opportunity'. And probably not win the job there either.
Not sure it's as bad as 'wishful thinking', but neither would it surprise me if it were. I do agree that the best Seattle can hope for is, as you said, to unload the contract for 'minimal return' as in like a 6th.
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":3vuoe64v said:
Bobblehead":3vuoe64v said:
How can you know what the skill set of Flynn is?

We only know what we saw, what you saw, what they saw.

Well, exactly. I've seen tape. From LSU, Green Bay and Seattle. Enough now to know what he is physically. Enough to appreciate why there wasn't much of a market last year.

You suggested Flynn's financial package is attractive, but not really. It's still $7-8m. That's a lot for a career backup. And people need to get over this being a crappy draft for QB's. There's still three viable first round options. Three options that are still more attractive than a near 30-year-old backup. It's wishful thinking that any 'desperate' (or not) GM is going to turn to Matt Flynn. The best we can hope hope for is to off-load his contract for minimal return. I still maintain what is more likely - he will be cut. He'll go somewhere else for an 'opportunity'. And probably not win the job there either.

mikeak":3vuoe64v said:
Ponders major issue isn't lack if physical tools. It is two-fold

1) Pressure and importance in the situation makes Ponder worse not better
2) poor processing of information as the game happens

So opposite of RW. Those of us that are ACC fans all laughed when Ponder was picked 10th. I love to being up Rob Johnson. The reason is that on paper he is the prototype qb. The issue is you don't win games on paper. Ponder falls right into the category o looking good on paper....

Flynn has actually looked good in meaningless games. How it translates is a bet but less so than a bet of how it translates for a Barkley or Glennon....

Ponder has serious physical issues. His arm strength is woeful, he can't even throw a strong WR screen. Barkley is far superior.


I think, from what I have read, in the end Flynn is due like 5 million, the rest being up front already taken care of by the Hawks.
which is why I suggested his financial aspect is and would be reasonable for another team.


I understand the limitations of what Flynn brings, however, I don't think you understand what a sale's job is. See, it doesn't matter what we think, its not about us, it's not about his skill set, its about another team so desperately seeking a starter that they will gamble, especially if it means saving their arses.

Last year, yeah not a lot of interest, but really the circumstances were quite abit different, look at the draft, look at all the qb's that went, Flynn was in a market buyers market, this year..It is a seller market and Flynn is one of the few only viable commodities.

Rant and Rave about Flynn's short coming all you want, but when the dust settles, He will be a viable commodity.
 

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I don't think he is going anywhere...We don't need the cash right now, we can see what happens in the draft... all before peddling away someone who at one time was brought in as a starter.
Flynn is good. Imagine if fumble fingers didn't drop that one pass he aired out recently...... we would be like WOW Flynn is awesome....
he don't suck, he is better than a lot of starters out there I think.... he will yield security, or profit.
 

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hawks4thewin":z864d5yc said:
I don't think he is going anywhere...We don't need the cash right now, we can see what happens in the draft... all before peddling away someone who at one time was brought in as a starter.
Flynn is good. Imagine if fumble fingers didn't drop that one pass he aired out recently...... we would be like WOW Flynn is awesome....
he don't suck, he is better than a lot of starters out there I think.... he will yield security, or profit.

We got Chancellor coming up, Browner too and some others, this team needs money to extend these dudes.

I'd rather keep the core intact instead of keeping the back up QB who can be easily replaced, no matter how you guys want to look at Flynn, he's still the back up.
 

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