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 Post subject: Re: Game plan for Kaepernick: Force him out of the pocket?
 Post Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:00 pm 
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Marvin49 should listen to the Dilfer interview posted in this forum.


Which one. Link it and I will.


http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=577&a=99502 ... +Hour%3A+3


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 Post subject: Re: Game plan for Kaepernick: Force him out of the pocket?
 Post Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:20 pm 
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Here ya go. Pretty fair assessment of this Sundays game. He breaks down Kap a bit, I cant recall if he spoke about him outside the pocket. Apologize if it doesn't.

http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=577&a=99502 ... +Hour%3A+3


Good interview, tho WAY too much Seahawks top for my taste (to be expected considering it's a Seattle station).

He did mention that Kaep sometimes stays on one read to much, but as I said before that's most often because he's looking to go deep on just about every play...something else Dilfer mentioned. Pretty clear he really likes Wilson. :D I'm not comparing the two. Remember...Colin only has FIVE career starts to Wilsons 14.

Wilson was a very different player after 5 weeks than he is now.


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 Post subject: Re: Game plan for Kaepernick: Force him out of the pocket?
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Marvin49 wrote:
pehawk wrote:
Here ya go. Pretty fair assessment of this Sundays game. He breaks down Kap a bit, I cant recall if he spoke about him outside the pocket. Apologize if it doesn't.

http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=577&a=99502 ... +Hour%3A+3


Good interview, tho WAY too much Seahawks top for my taste (to be expected considering it's a Seattle station).

He did mention that Kaep sometimes stays on one read to much, but as I said before that's most often because he's looking to go deep on just about every play...something else Dilfer mentioned. Pretty clear he really likes Wilson. :D I'm not comparing the two. Remember...Colin only has FIVE career starts to Wilsons 14.

Wilson was a very different player after 5 weeks than he is now.


Based on my eye, and its a layman one, Kap is benefiting alot from max protection and having limited options/reads to make. To his credit, he's maximing those oppurtunities. But, this is the NFL, all QB's should be able to do that. ESPECIALLY behind max protect with loads of offensive line talent.

Seems to me, the Rams posed an issue because their physical DB's and pass rush made his choices harder. Or, not perfect. Maybe he'll progress in that area?

Please dont use the Patriots game as any barometer. That's an AFC team that was intimidated the first 30 minutes.


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 Post subject: Re: Game plan for Kaepernick: Force him out of the pocket?
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pehawk wrote:
Marvin49 wrote:
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Here ya go. Pretty fair assessment of this Sundays game. He breaks down Kap a bit, I cant recall if he spoke about him outside the pocket. Apologize if it doesn't.

http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=577&a=99502 ... +Hour%3A+3


Good interview, tho WAY too much Seahawks top for my taste (to be expected considering it's a Seattle station).

He did mention that Kaep sometimes stays on one read to much, but as I said before that's most often because he's looking to go deep on just about every play...something else Dilfer mentioned. Pretty clear he really likes Wilson. :D I'm not comparing the two. Remember...Colin only has FIVE career starts to Wilsons 14.

Wilson was a very different player after 5 weeks than he is now.


Based on my eye, and its a layman one, Kap is benefiting alot from max protection and having limited options/reads to make. To his credit, he's maximing those oppurtunities. But, this is the NFL, all QB's should be able to do that. ESPECIALLY behind max protect with loads of offensive line talent.

Seems to me, the Rams posed an issue because their physical DB's and pass rush made his choices harder. Or, not perfect. Maybe he'll progress in that area?

Please dont use the Patriots game as any barometer. That's an AFC team that was intimidated the first 30 minutes.



I use the Pats game as a barometer for playing the Patriots again, but that's just about it. The Niners made the critical mistake of relaxing against the Patriots...and you can NEVER do that against Tom Brady. Once the Pats started that run the Niners just couldn't turn it back on and couldn't catch their breat. They ran over 90 freakin plays, eliminated the pass rush because the Niners were GASSED, and converted 5 of 6 FOURTH DOWNS after going 3 for 16 on 3rd.

My point is that I've read in some places that the Pats "exposed" the Niners D. Um....no. Between the Niners, 'Hawks, and Cards, I think the Patriots are kinda tired of playing the NFC West. :D

As for your Max Protect comment...uh....kinda?

Hard to explain. The Niner O is based on going big ALOT. 2 TE and 1 WR is pretty normal. Six or Seven Offensive linemen is a regular occurance. Countless shifts and formations...all designed to confuse and creat matchups. The latest is a bit of an inverted Wishbone with the TEs lining up beside the QB (in a shallow Shotgun...the Pistol) like RBs. They do protect Colin by giving him lots of protection and simple reads (only 2 or 3 in the pattern) sometimes, but that's not done specifically for Colin. Thats the basis of the entire offense. They did the exact same thing at Stanford with Andrew Luck and in SF with Alex.

Every week tho, they are giving him a little bit more. Remember, he's still pretty green and is learning as he goes. This time next year he'll be a very different player than the one he is now.


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 Post subject: Re: Game plan for Kaepernick: Force him out of the pocket?
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Something to remember is that a QB throwing outside the pocket is usually one that is facing or having just escaped imminent pressure. Kaepernick is a mechanical QB- meaning that if everything goes to plan he's effective, but when things go to hell he tends to shut down mentally. That probably explains the gap in his numbers. Kaepernick has padded his stats on a few big plays that went according to plan in every game.


First, I find myself agreeing with you way too often nowadays, it must be the power of Wilson.

Second, this is pretty much my observation as well. Kaep lives off the big play. I would be very curious to see if anyone can find a stat on drives of 80 or more yards that Kaep has completed without a big play.

I already hear the argument that a big play counts for just as many points as a sustained time consuming drive but the flaw in big plays is they are harder to come by. 90% of the time when a big play happens it is because a player(s) made a mistake. While possible, it is more difficult to make another player make a mistake and create that opening.

This is ultimately why I think Harbaugh made his first mistake. Alex Smith, while not flashy, should a consistent ability to sustain drives. Kaep has much more "wow" ability but I think he will struggle with consistency.


Does the 9 minute drive against the Saints count? In a very noisy dome across the country in a primetime game??

You guys are reaching and trying way to hard to make Kap look bad. Dude has game, is very intelligent, is very fast, is 6'4" and has one of if not the strongest arms in the game and all you want to do is try and nit pick. He is and will be a good QB, just like many other young QBs in the NFL right now!!!

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