Might be worth it in that case.
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j/k, sort of.

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Completely agree.

My initial suggestion was over the top. Not on accident. it's interesting to see the response from everyone. How about this direction. What do you think would really prevent this from happening again? If the world looked at you and said you are the man..make sure this never happpens again.

Possibly a police officer in every school? Give the nut jobs something to think about. I'd be willing to pay $500 a year in extra tax (or what ever it takes) some say that is an over reaction and incidents are too seldom. In the past I would likely agree, but these were little kids and it will happen again.

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How about every new school you build or remodel, you attach a police station to it. I am sure that it would be cheaper in the long run to have multi-facilities. You could have newer police stations and facilities within the school. I have never seen or heard of a mass shooting at a police station. You could have an officer walk through the hallways of the school at any time. It seems much more cost effective to me and a hell of a lot safer.

That's what I think, a cop in every school, maybe more depending on size.

It might help with some other issues too, but securing the building is the primary.

This might be over the top, but in the higher security areas of my place of employment, we use these "man trap" type door systems. Where one door opens but never the same time as the second, limiting the traffic and forcing the security until the system or a co-worker opens it. Getting out is no problem, but getting in during school hours might be more secure that way.

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Isn't "man trap" also the name of a club? Oh, wait, umm, nevermind.

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I guarantee you that if a friend of a potential shooter could simply walk through a hallway to voice their concerns to a police officer about what their buddy planned to do or talked about, we wouldn't have to worry as much about this shit especially if the police officers made it a priority to help council some of these kids on a variety of issues.

You either get to have all the guns you want, and deal with this from time to time, or not have guns. There isn't much in between. Nutters will get their hands on guns and kill bunches of people, and yes, even kids, from time to time.

I don't have a political agenda here, in fact I am a gun owner. But how many of you who never want this to happen ever again would be willing to give up your right to have guns?

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Believe it or not, I think students get into mischief more in small town high schools than in major city ones in most ways except gangs/gang violence. I spent time between huge schools and small rural schools growing up. Big ones have way more things for students to do, plus you're in a more urban area with a lot of other peripheral things to do. Super-bored students start doing really dumb shit...

I also think big high schools have more mature students in some ways, though idk if I'd say it translates in an overall sense.

How this stayed as long as it did in the smack shack is beyond me. Keep your political bullshit in the proper forum.

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While I would prefer a teacher, or an armed guard/police officer to shoot a potential murderer than allowing their rampage to run it's course I think we should be looking at the reason why these things happen and not at ways to make our schools a possible spot for gun battles. Plus I am not sure I am comfortable with teachers being armed and given a few days training in handgun use and then expected to use it in case a psychopath shows up. The armed guard won't happen, Americans aren't willing to pay decent or competitive salaries to teachers they certainly won't want pay to for armed security guards, or at least not for very long. We are a fickle bunch and God forbid if taxes ever go up. Having police patrol schools has an added dimension in schools where children get arrested for acting out, plus cops are paid far more than an armed security guard.

http://www.jhu.edu/jhumag/0902web/police.html
http://radioboston.wbur.org/2012/05/07/schools-police

Alright, all you "OMG ARE YOU NUTS, YOU WANT TEACHERS TO CARRY FIREARMS?!" people; put this in your pipe and smoke it. The last couple of days, there has been a post going around the internet with a list of incidents where private citizens/off-duty cops/etc. prevented shootings from being worse than they otherwise would have been at schools, malls, etc. There were no sources on those stories, though; so I dug them up. I'd say there is DEFINITELY a case to be made that we should arm teachers that are comfortable with it, and have appropriate training.

A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_Mid ... e_shooting

A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.
Can't find a source for this one. Probably because it wasn't big news since it was prevented, and most news sources wouldn't be in English?

A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia ... w_shooting

A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting

A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.
Can't find. Probably under-reported due to no deaths? Possibly a bogus one, who knows.

A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/07/the-a ... the-media/

At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.
http://www.infowars.com/report-armed-ma ... -shooting/

There are probably a LOT more incidents like this that virtually no one has ever heard about if nobody was killed, but for obvious reasons, that's a difficult thing to verify.

If all CCW shootings were this black and white, I think everyone would support armed teachers.

I'm flabbergasted. And confused. Are you admitting that there may be a point at which you do support armed teachers?

What CCW shootings are not black and white? Do you have examples? (Examples in this context, stopping mass shootings in progress.)

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/24/te ... latestnews

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2889792/posts

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/08/30-0

And this study has a lot of information.
http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-a ... 2_CGPR.pdf

If more guns were always the answer, every country would do it.

We don't have to arm our teachers. Unless we don't want repeats of what happened last week.



Seriously? That's your answer? Don't do the thing that will stop mass murders from being even more massive, because these mass murders don't happen very often?



What about teachers who were previously police or military? Can they carry? Or do they stop being competent with firearms once they become teachers?



I have nothing against examining the causes of each individual shooting, but I don't think you are going to find a single common cause that we can do anything about.

Regardless, it's beyond stupid to look for a root cause, and do nothing else. As discussed in another thread, we can make schools and classrooms hardened targets. That will go a long way toward protecting most students in most situations. But still, the only thing that will stop a shooter once he starts shooting is someone else with a gun.

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I don't think many people would say guns or any of the other options brought forward is ALWAYS the answer.

The problem with this country is too many people think you need a one size fits all fix for every problem. There's a reason States were originally given the controls not specifically given to the federal government, most times there is no single solution to an issue. Things need more localized solutions, and school issues such as education levels and safety concerns are better to handle on local levels.

Some schools may find it feasible to hire a full security team, others may feel it better to have actual police officers, while others yet may think that a trained group of the staff with guns, might be the answer. Any school may also want to decide different ways to be able to secure the facility in these situations. There are too many variables to fix something like this, but one thing is guaranteed, banning assault weapons will not stop things like this, only change the way in which it happens. The only way that gun control can give you a true increase in safety is to remove ALL guns from society. This is NOT an option and therefor, using this issue to further a gun control agenda is pointless.

This is an defendable argument, but you better believe the first time a gun misfires in a school setting there will be hell to pay. People think Libs are freaking out now...

Hey, now; if there's anything The Expendables taught me, it's that you shouldn't underestimate throwing knives in close-quarters combat.

@Kidhawk, Columbine had an armed security guard for their school; for all the good it did. If a 3rd of your classrooms have an armed teacher in them, that's infinitely better than a few interspersed armed security guards.

Nothing says you can't do both. My whole point is we can't legislate it at the federal level, it's something that needs to be done locally. I'm not against training and arming teachers, I just think that it's something that needs to be voluntary and decided at local levels and at each school.