How do you fund that, communist?

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@ryanadamdavis

This certainly sounds extreme.

Maybe, but the founding fathers would find any mixing of religion and politics treasonous. They'd also get rid of that the useless cockblock senate.

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@ryanadamdavis

Or, maybe we could ban children?

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@ryanadamdavis

Ok so Step 1 is Ban Guns.

What's Step 2?

Stab people.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

With Assault Knives?

I also call for the naming of all cars to be changed to "Assault Vehicles" as they commonly cause the deaths of untold numbers of people every year.

Well, there are significantly more deaths from car wrecks every year than there are by guns.

So what have you done to actually make a difference? Seems like we're both just as powerless to actually change a goddamned thing.

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Cars aren't sold to people as items that kill things.

And anyways, I'm all for automating cars and driving.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

I think this is a very thought out and rational post. Thank you.

You called Sonichawk a LIAR for linking homicide rates to guns because he was trying to "intentionally mislead" and then you introduce this red herring. Dude, today was the day you went off the

A) turn teachers into commandos
B) You are a liar if you don't agree with me

Deep End.

Maybe you need to go talk to some elementary school teachers. Calling someone a "wuss" because he doesn't want a strap a gun on in his workplace is ridiculous. Additionally, your reasoning is because military conscription exists in 1/3 of the worlds countries we should force a similar system on our teachers? That seems like a great link. Today 20 five-year old were killed. I thus propose we start a militarization of our elementary school teacher force. If you don't agree you are a wuss. If you argue, I'll let you know that 1/3 of the world has military conscription! (And by the way, the only European countries that have military service are Switzerland, Denmark, Austria, Norway. All of which you can choose to work in the civilian sector instead)

And then you accuse Sonichawk of being a liar. WTF are you talking about?

I can only hope Roland is joking when he says he wants teachers with guns.
just what the fuck

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If you compare guns to cars or drugs in the context of killing you are an idiot. Not just a regular idiot, but a complete and utter idiot. That's really all I have to add to this thread.

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Tanzania¹²

I know I'm new to this forum, and pardon me for interrupting the deep thoughts of others, but it seems to me that we shouldn't be reliant on programs to make a difference. We should be the difference we seek. What the hell happened to personal responsibility? What happened to parental responsibility? I am a father of four and take great pride in educating my children on the things they (obviously) don't teach in schools anymore like how to take care of yourself, take responsibility of yourself and how to be humble, yet not be a victim. I teach my children to respect life. I teach them that their wants and desires are fine as long as they don't come at the expense of others. And somehow I find a way to do this while being a hunter and teaching my children responsible use and storage of firearms. IMHO I firmly belive that the problem with our great nation isn't that we have firearms, the problem is that a good portion of parents somehow thought that the system should be raising their kids for them instead of taking the time to take responsibility for what they have brought into the world. For the record, I am neither Republican or Democrat, and I think the Gov is doing a fine job of deviding the people. I am a veteran and a gun owner, though I don't see the need for AR type rifles in the hands of the civilian population, (besides, a man with a bolt action rifle and the skills to use it is better equipped anyway)or the need for extremely high capacity magazines on any weapon. I am a WA CPL holder and my sidearm of choice is a Ruger LCP. Purely a defensive handgun that I hope to never use, but I do know how to use it. I guess the moral of the story is, that until people can get their heads around personal responsibility and stop thinking that some government program is going to raise your kids for you/save the day/make your life more worth living, and on the other hand, stop thinking that all government imposed limitations are bad for liberty... (in other words, learn to compromise and use some damn common sense...) then we as a people are going to continue to see this thing we are a part of run itself into the ground.

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I hesitate to get involved in this, as I realise that it's sensitive and it's not my country we're talking about, but I just want to reiterate what Hawkspur is saying. I think we find it hard to understand the US debate as it seems to have to become tied up in polarised political opinions, but it is extremely disingenuous to suggest that there is no link between guns and violence.

Yes there are probably more deaths from stabbings in the UK. Why? Because there are no guns. If you want to hurt someone in the US, why carry a knife? It took me 30 seconds to find the death by violent crime statistics for each country. The US has 6.5 deaths per 100,000 from violent crime. More than Afghanistan. The UK has 1.1. The US is a wealthy and organised country, but I would be 6 times more likely to die a violent death if I lived there.

If you get caught carrying a gun in the UK, you will go to jail. The same is very likely if you get caught carrying a knife. Our police officers don't even carry guns as a rule, and you want to give them to teachers? To anyone from a country with no guns, that seems more than a little bizarre. As kobebryant said a couple of pages back, the genie is out of the bottle with regards to guns in the US, and whether you try to put it back depends upon your view of its effect on personal freedom and personal safety. But to refuse to have the argument based upon the thoughts of a few guys a couple of hundred years ago who coudln't have known the sophistication your country would achieve or what someone could do with an automatic weapon seems bizarre.

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Machine-wrapped, with butter?

Yes, machine-wrapped, WITH BUTTER

Arming all teachers and teaching the to shoot to kill is indeed a bit extreme.

The MAJORITY (and by that I mean all but ONE) of school doors need to be locked during school hours too. And all doors should be able to open from the inside regardless of the door being locked or not.

All schools should also be like my daughters HS... during school hours there is only one way into the student population and that involves going through one set of doors from the outside and then going through another door into the main office. And then going through a door to get to the common areas. Three doors, and a shooter would need to get past several adults and doors before he can even see a kid.

I would suggest, as a last line of defense all schools are equipped with a system that would dispense a pretty large amount of tear gas into the hallways, and individual classrooms if need be.

Principals, secretaries and school counselors could control the entire system from a mobile phone. Teachers could do the same for their individual classrooms.

Enough of this gets in your eyes, especially in an enclosed area you really can't see. Breathing does suck and you have to be one hard son of a bitch to continue going on a focused killing spree. Sadly, this idea won't stop the initial killings but it may just stop it at four or five. Not upwards of 30.

I realize the tear gas solution is extreme, but it's not impossible. Similar sprinkler systems are installed in all public buildings to fight fire. So the basic technology is there.

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You make a good point, but I can assure you that a lack of personal and parental responsibility is not exclusive to America. It is a huge problem in every country I've lived in. If we can teach all people to take responsibility for their thoughts and actions and have empathy then the world will be a far, far better place. But in the meantime, I'd rather not live somewhere where those who lack these qualities are allowed to carry guns in their pocket or glove compartment.

And Jiggy, schools in the UK are as you describe (minus the tear gas). The only door that is open is to the front office and you must be buzzed into the main building. There is an emergency services button in most school offices. Schools practice lockdown procedures to prepare for any event where unauthorised people are seen in the grounds. This is a result of the last (and possibly only?) school shooting in Dunblane in the mid 90s.