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Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:17 pm
  • There is a discussion going on in /r/seahawks on reddit where people are referring a new fan to various articles to read to better understand the history of the Seahawks. One thread is discussing who are the greatest figures in the history of the franchise. What do you think?

    I said Largent.

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Re: Biggest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:20 pm
  • Biggest implies physical stature - recommend you change the thread title to allay confusion.

    Largent is easily a front runner. For my money, players like Kenny Easley, Cortez Kennedy, Curt Warner and Walter Jones need to be in that discussion as well.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:29 pm
  • Greatest player in team history is a very interesting debate between Largent and Walt. I've gone back and forth many times. I really can't decide anymore. Largent's legacy has been eroded by the way the game has changed and the number of players who have passed his career numbers, many of whom probably won't get into the hall.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:32 pm
  • Not a player but figure would be Mr. Allen
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:35 pm
  • Walt is probably the best player. Largent probably had the biggest impact. Cortez the most destructive. :mrgreen:
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:38 pm
  • There just isn't any way I could make that decision between Largent, Walt and Tez. I think I enjoyed watching the Early days of Tez the best. His rookie year, he missed some games but in just a matter of a few weeks he became a force. It is unfortunate that the 92 season happened, but he did anchor the single best defense that I believe the Hawks have ever fielded. I remember all the clamoring back then for the defensive players to play offense.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:15 pm
  • No love for RussellWilson (yet)? J/K.

    Wow, the apples and oranges of it all is just making this a very difficult decision. I do know that his name has already been mentioned in this thread. I have my favorite (Easley) but I am unsure if that's because he was the best, or because he's just my favorite. So I cheated a bit and googled. I was surprised .shocked at how low Walt and Easley showed up on "greatest ever" lists. Neither man showed up in many top 10s and to me, that's pure BS and obviously based on popularity, or things out of the players control (like SB wins).

    I once saw some stats on Walt that suggested to me he was top 3 all time. I don't have them in front of me, but they were so rediculous I almost couldn't believe them. (lack of) holding calls and sacks allowed really jumped out. I determined at that time that Walt was our greatest player ever, but throw in Tez, Largent and Easley and I am now unsure. I think Warner has to come on the heels of that group, though he could have ended up our best for sure. Where would one rank Hutch? I've not seen many guards better than Hutch. And had Tez been on better teams? He might just be that guy. Just really tough.

    I'm gonna' say: Walt, Easley, Steve, Tez, Hutch, John L. / Warner (Wiliams & Warner are tied for my #6 spot).
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:23 pm
  • I gotta go with Walt!
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:25 pm
  • Gotta go with Walt. He may be best ever to play his position, you can't say the same about Largent or Kennedy IMO.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:25 pm
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:31 pm
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:43 pm
  • I have to go with Walter. He was routinely referred to as "The Best player in the NFL" by national media while in his prime. Steve, as much as we all love him and his awesomeness, I don't think ever had that said about him. Could be wrong. Walt will also be like Steve, a first ballot HOF'er, and IMHO the finest Seahawk to ever play. I'd have to chuck 'Tez into that argument as well, though it'd be hard to "chuck" Tez anywhere.... :)
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:50 pm
  • As of right now, Walter Jones. Sometime down the road, Russel Wilson.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:00 pm
  • -- Since I am a defensive guy at heart, I want so badly to say Tez, who historically is one of my all time favorite Hawks (along with Rufus Porter). But if the question at hand is the greatest player ever to dawn the uniform, this is Walter Jones. There is no real debate, just wasted discussion. We have NEVER had a player dominate his position the way Walter Jones did. Despite hiding here in Northern Alaska, even the national media gave appropriate respect. Osi Umenoyra <sp> became a player of note in the NFL the day he had a good game against Walter. Patrick Kerney didn't. That is joke only fans who saw that game vs. Atlanta will get.

    -- Walt. Hands down.

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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:04 pm
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:04 pm
  • Walt Jones for sure
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:09 pm
  • Mase wrote:-- Since I am a defensive guy at heart, I want so badly to say Tez, who historically is one of my all time favorite Hawks (along with Rufus Porter). But if the question at hand is the greatest player ever to dawn the uniform, this is Walter Jones. There is no real debate, just wasted discussion. We have NEVER had a player dominate his position the way Walter Jones did. Despite hiding here in Northern Alaska, even the national media gave appropriate respect. Osi Umenoyra <sp> became a player of note in the NFL the day he had a good game against Walter. Patrick Kerney didn't. That is joke only fans who saw that game vs. Atlanta will get.

    -- Walt. Hands down.

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    I am hopeful Bruce serves up some Rufus for us soon. Porter was like dial-a-sack.

    I don't disagree with your selection of Walt, but you can hardly say debating the issue is wasted time. Walt actually ranks lower at his position than Largent. I said above that these rankings generally appear to be popularity contests, but it's just very hard to choose the greatest when their respective positions vary so dramatically. Very subjective. Who knows, when it's all said and done, we might be talking about Jon Ryan here.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:17 pm
  • BlueThunder wrote:I have to go with Walter. He was routinely referred to as "The Best player in the NFL" by national media while in his prime. Steve, as much as we all love him and his awesomeness, I don't think ever had that said about him. Could be wrong. Walt will also be like Steve, a first ballot HOF'er, and IMHO the finest Seahawk to ever play. I'd have to chuck 'Tez into that argument as well, though it'd be hard to "chuck" Tez anywhere.... :)



    At their respective positions, Hutch shows up at or around exactly the same spot (all time) as Walt (typically around #9). That said, I agree Walt, as a LT, was better / more valuable than Hutch. But I like Hutch in my 5 spot (though he should probably be 3 or 4).
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:30 pm
  • 1a- Walter Jones
    1b- Kenny Easley
    2- Cortez Kennedy

    I think the thing that puts Jones at the top is the fact that he played longer and isn't mentioned with other players as often as Easley is (like you'll hear Easley and Lott mentioned together most of the time when people actually know what they are talking about). Jones is mentioned with Pace and others of his own era, but is said to be clearly the best, then he is compared to guys like Anthony Munoz, but Jones typically gets the nod. So Walter Jones isn't just the best Seahawk, he is the best tackle to play, and according to some, he may be the best player in NFL history when you don't take position into account. Jones was a better tackle than Brett Favre was a QB. He was more consistently excellent at his position than Jerry Rice was.

    You have to put it in the terms of having a "perfect game" for a WR would be like 100 yards and a TD each game. Jones pretty much did that at his own position for multiple years straight. I realize it's comparing apples to oranges, but Jones was dominant at a position that is very difficult and you're tested with a rotation of guys and expected to bring it every single play. It isn't like a pass rusher who comes out on 1st and 2nd down, or a RB who comes out on 3rd down, or a WR who comes out when they go to a running formation and can "take the play off". He had to be ON every single offensive play for years upon years.

    I didn't see Walter Jones have a single bad game until his knee was gone and he struggled on Thanksgiving against Dallas in his last full season. That run of his of sheer excellence was amazing, and was much more impressive than what Largent did (as impressive as Largent was).
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:35 pm
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:45 pm
  • "Starting in each of his 180 games in Seattle, the Seahawks attempted more than 5,500 passes with Jones on the field, while Jones gave up a total of only 23 quarterback sacks, and was penalized for holding just nine times". Wikipedia.

    Nine frikin' holds in 180 games while giving up just 23 sacks?? Crazy stats right there.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:56 pm
  • 1a - Largent (my hero as a kid, so I am admittedly biased)
    1b - Walt Jones
    1c - Cortez Kennedy
    1d - Kenny Easely


    Honestly, I think all of those guys could arguably be the best ever at their positions in the NFL. If they had played for another franchise they would have been a lot bigger.

    If you gave me truth serum, I would probably admit Walter was the best ever, but because him and my brother share the same name, and I am such a Largent Homer, I have to say #80.

    Kennedy was absolutely amazing. One man wrecking crew at times. Kenny was a freak of nature.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:21 pm
  • Wiseguy wrote:Norm Johnson





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    But it's gotta be Walt, followed by Tez. No one else is even close in my mind
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:41 pm
  • I will go with Largent, he was poetry to watch. Was our first superstar. Until Rice beat them he held all sorts of NFL records.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:46 pm
  • Hey, don't be dissin' on Norm. That dude was rock solid for us in our first glory years in the 80's...
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:32 pm
  • Where is Jacob Green on that list?
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:43 pm
  • Hawkstorian wrote:Greatest player in team history is a very interesting debate between Largent and Walt. I've gone back and forth many times. I really can't decide anymore. Largent's legacy has been eroded by the way the game has changed and the number of players who have passed his career numbers, many of whom probably won't get into the hall.


    I feel the same. My tie breaker comes down to who was more dominant. And when I look at Walts penalties and sacks given up I give him the edge. I would never argue anyone who felt different because Largent was the pioneer of the Seahawks. And even though I feel Largent wasn't as consistently dominant he was dependant of QB and Oline play and Walter controlled his own fate individually.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:03 pm
  • SEC FAN wrote:
    Hawkstorian wrote:Greatest player in team history is a very interesting debate between Largent and Walt. I've gone back and forth many times. I really can't decide anymore. Largent's legacy has been eroded by the way the game has changed and the number of players who have passed his career numbers, many of whom probably won't get into the hall.


    I feel the same. My tie breaker comes down to who was more dominant. And when I look at Walts penalties and sacks given up I give him the edge. I would never argue anyone who felt different because Largent was the pioneer of the Seahawks. And even though I feel Largent wasn't as consistently dominant he was dependant of QB and Oline play and Walter controlled his own fate individually.


    However, what Largent did in the era without an elite QB is impressive. Rice had Montana and Steve Young along with better playmakers around him.

    Of course we are a pass happy league today. It's apples and oranges. That is why "best player ever" debates are so fun.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:18 pm
  • Starrman44 wrote:However, what Largent did in the era without an elite QB is impressive. Rice had Montana and Steve Young along with better playmakers around him.

    Of course we are a pass happy league today. It's apples and oranges. That is why "best player ever" debates are so fun.


    Yep thats part of the reason I would never argue against Largent. Imagine if we were the Redskins and replaced Monk with Largent? And maybe Largent had an MVP or 2 in the SuperBowl. See how that changes everything lol. Largent was better than Monk. Now who do you got? A multiple time SuperBowl MVP or possibly the greatest left tackle ever? It can go either way and I know it.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:49 pm
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Re: Greatest player ever
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:42 am
  • Walter freakin' Jones

    Dude was DOMINANT! Easily the best player at his position during his time in the NFL.
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Re: Greatest player ever
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:31 am
  • Russell Wilson. I can see into the future though, so it's not really fair.
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