Lords of Scythia wrote:Has it occured to anyone else that the 12 draft is looking a hell of a lot like the 83 draft - the year of the quarterback - in which three SB qbs were taken? Marino, Elway and Jim Kelly.
Hawk-A-Loogie wrote:
I was too young to have watched those three play but of course i'm familiar with their names, except that last guy.
Of those three. Who was the Luck, RG3, and Wilson of 83. JW.
drdiags wrote:Hawk-A-Loogie wrote:
I was too young to have watched those three play but of course i'm familiar with their names, except that last guy.
Of those three. Who was the Luck, RG3, and Wilson of 83. JW.
You would want Wilson to be Elway but probably RG3 is Elway. Luck can be Kelly but doubt Wilson is Marino. Only Elway won a Superbowl of the 3 though all 3 made it to the party, with Kelly making 4 straight.
There also was Tony Eason, Todd Blackridge and a Jet QB that is slipping my mind. Eason made it to the death march that was the 85 Superbowl against the Bears.
EDIT: Maybe Luck would compare to Marino?
SharkHawk wrote:Luck would equal Marino since they were both top overall picks, both Stanford guys, and both were the super athletic QB that could scramble.
Wilson would compare to Marino, because a lot of people didn't think he was going to be that good. To many, Marino was a one trick pony (his quick release) and he just kept dropping and dropping in the draft.
RG3 and Wilson are also both comparable to Elway, who was seen as a great athlete. Wilson compares to Elway in that he also played pro baseball. But there were not any doubts that I remember being thrown around about any part of Elway's game. The only doubts you heard were about his attitude because of his flat-out refusal to play for Baltimore and forcing the trade to Denver. He was labeled as a whiner and painted very much in the same way as Eli Manning was on draft day when he threw his little fit. Jack Elway stepped up and worked as his son's spokesman just like Archie Manning did for Eli. You didn't see Andrew Luck's dad making too much noise about where he wanted to play in the run-up to the draft. He was busy doing his own job as the AD at West Virginia, but Oliver Luck and Jack Elway were both well known guys who had sons that played as All Americans at Stanford and were seen as the first overall pick from about day one of their last college season (if not earlier).
The era when all of those QB's came in 83 was much different. QB's weren't normally scramblers (this is what set Elway apart... he wasn't Michael Vick, but he could run out of trouble and was a tremendous athlete). Elway had a pretty wretched rookie season in a lot of ways. Luck's rookie season if compared to anybody's would be compared to Marino's. The USFL was around too, which made things even more weird, and Jim Kelly didn't end up playing in the NFL until 1986 I believe. There were a few good QB's that went to the USFL, along with some good running backs (Craig James, Mike Rozier, etc.). Times were just different, and QB's were used differently then. It's really hard to connect the lines and make direct comparisons. I think Andrew Luck has been compared to Elway since he was in high school though.
SharkHawk wrote:Luck would equal Marino since they were both top overall picks, both Stanford guys, and both were the super athletic QB that could scramble.
onanygivensunday wrote:SharkHawk wrote:Luck would equal Marino since they were both top overall picks, both Stanford guys, and both were the super athletic QB that could scramble.
That would be Elway... not Marino.
largenutz wrote:Wilson=Elway, not as strong arm, both can extend plays,both got ice runnin thru veins, but russ will win SBs with Hawks and not have to wait ten plus years to do so.
And Russ is not the fugliest SOB on Gods Green Earth.
loafoftatupu wrote:I just don't remember Elway and Kelly coming out with serious success in their rookie years. Now Marino was a stud immediately, in 84 he was already doing big name commercials and all that. It didn't take Kelly and Elway long, but I actually think this class is better outside of the Marino play. Man he was fun to watch back them.
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