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 Post subject: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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First, let me say that I was at the game, and the only replay I was able to see was the one they showed at the stadium. However, I thought both when I saw it live and when I saw the replays that it was a total B******* call. It didn't look like helmet to helmet to me, nor a shot to the head. I thought that Rice just got lit up on a good solid football play. If I'm wrong and there was a shot to the head then that's fine.
But if not, it absolutely pisses me off that the NFL is becoming such a pansy league. What was the safety supposed to do? Go lower, at his knees? Not hit him at all, just let him go? It's the same thing I thought about the call that went against ET on Tannehill a couple of weeks ago. It's just makes me want to puke.

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I heard that after the game Rice said it was a clean hit.

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I agree its a lousy rule, but that's how it's supposed to be called. Defenseless receiver regardless of helmet contact.

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That was a bad call. That was a football play. If Goodell wants anything else then he can buy tickets to the ice capades.

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Its a crap rule and a crap call, welcome to Rog Goodell's NFFL (National FLAG Football League)

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I thought it was a bad call as well, he hit with his shoulder.


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Terrible call. Saw one in the Cowboy game even worse. On that play, the DB hit the WR in the chest with his shoulder and dislodged the ball. Wasted effort as he was flagged with the play resulting in a 1st down. Sickening. The Easleys and Lotts could'nt afford to play in today's NFL. Their fines would be bigger than their game checks.


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It was clean. There was a similar call against the Bengals when there safety stuck Dez Bryant. I blame Goodall. Since he became commish, the NFL product has become softer and is moving towards Two Hand Touch. In fifty years it will be called the THT League. Sad.

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Like they said bad call, but not the most blatant bad call on a hit of the night.


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Loved the hit, hated the call


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 Post subject: Re: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote:
First, let me say that I was at the game, and the only replay I was able to see was the one they showed at the stadium. However, I thought both when I saw it live and when I saw the replays that it was a total B******* call. It didn't look like helmet to helmet to me, nor a shot to the head. I thought that Rice just got lit up on a good solid football play. If I'm wrong and there was a shot to the head then that's fine.
But if not, it absolutely pisses me off that the NFL is becoming such a pansy league. What was the safety supposed to do? Go lower, at his knees? Not hit him at all, just let him go? It's the same thing I thought about the call that went against ET on Tannehill a couple of weeks ago. It's just makes me want to puke.

The hit reminded me of the hit by Tate on that Cowboy Defender---Defenseless? :177692:
It is getting a bit silly with these calls by the Refs nowdays what the hell's next?, never mind, I don't really want to know.


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It was a great hit. If that was Kam we would be bitching the world on fire.


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The only thing I was thinking is why the hell is Rice still in the game?


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 Post subject: Re: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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Remember you only get to dress 45 players you can't sit everybody....

What I didn't like was a pass over the middle like that considering the situation.

Clean hit no helmet to helmet bad call IMHO

With that said every player on my FF team sucked today but the seahawks defense gave me the win with 2 pts :) so glad they kept playing!!!!


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It wasn't a bad call its a bad rule. Although Flynn basically set his receiver up on an unnecessary situation.

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 Post subject: Re: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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Like Deon Sanders said "Defensless? He went out there in his uniform and pads". Talking about the Cowboys hit on the Bengals receiver. Absolutely right on!


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An unnecessary call IMHO. Clearly showing a trend toward a "flag football league". The number of flags in yesterday's game was rediculous.


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 Post subject: Re: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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It was a solid hit, and had Rice been allowed a couple more steps I would definitely be supporting most of you in your decision that it is a bad call. The rule was stated as defenseless player - meaning he didn't have an opportunity to brace to be clobbered. With the hit he took, he could have easily been hurt due to the reaction time issue. I support the call - it had nothing to do with helmet to helmet, more it was Rice's ability to defend himself from the hit.

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 Post subject: Re: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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Wasn't that the play that Flynn escaped a sack and threw on the run? If I am right (and I think I am) then it's kind of hard to blame the hit on Flynn.

I also thought the call was horrible. Reminded me of Brownser's hit on Welker. As long as thete is no helmet to helmet, there shouldn't be a flag. Otherwise your ruining the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote:
First, let me say that I was at the game, and the only replay I was able to see was the one they showed at the stadium. However, I thought both when I saw it live and when I saw the replays that it was a total B******* call. It didn't look like helmet to helmet to me, nor a shot to the head. I thought that Rice just got lit up on a good solid football play. If I'm wrong and there was a shot to the head then that's fine.
But if not, it absolutely pisses me off that the NFL is becoming such a pansy league. What was the safety supposed to do? Go lower, at his knees? Not hit him at all, just let him go? It's the same thing I thought about the call that went against ET on Tannehill a couple of weeks ago. It's just makes me want to puke.


I just got through watching the game again ... and just got through watching Rice's hit. Let me tell you, I 100% agree with you. That absolutely, positively, was a crappy call on Rashad Johnson. Honestly, hits like that are what I grew up on (and I surmise that most of us grew up on) and are a real part of what made the NFL great. Not that I want Seahawk players getting knocked out or anything ... but this is about the integrity of the game itself. Un-freaking believable. :cussing:


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 Post subject: Re: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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Did the Bear's Safety get fined for the Rice hit on the last play against the Bears. IMO if ET got fined against the Dolphins than surely that safety should have been fined. A forearm to Rice's helmet should have been a penalty IMO.

The way the rules are written virtually every BIG HIT over the middle will draw a flag. I don't particularly like it but I think our safeties have learned how to NOT make those questionable hits. You rarely see Kam make those type of hits like he did last year that drew flags.

My initial though on that hit was that it was a head shot and a flag should fly. After the replay I see it was much more of a clean hit than I thought.


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I agree with everyone who says it was a clean hit and a bad call, however... At the time it occurred the game was completely out of hand and starting to get very chippy. It was starting to look like Arizona guys were just looking for opportunities to lay a nasty shot on our guys (clean your reservation otherwise). I'm pretty sure the refs throwing the flag there was just a way to keep everything calm and under control.

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 Post subject: Re: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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It was a perfect tackle and I'm glad Sidney bounced right up afterward.


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 Post subject: Re: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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I agree with everyone who says it was a clean hit and a bad call, however... At the time it occurred the game was completely out of hand and starting to get very chippy. It was starting to look like Arizona guys were just looking for opportunities to lay a nasty shot on our guys (clean your reservation otherwise). I'm pretty sure the refs throwing the flag there was just a way to keep everything calm and under control.


I was at the game as well and although it may have been a clean hit IMO it was a cheap shot that didn't need to happen to make the play. I agree with the above quote that it was getting chippy and that's why the flag was thrown which I personally agreed with.

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I don't like it when it's called against us, and I don't like it when it's called for us either.

How else is a DB supposed to break up passes ? Seriously, they need to just throw out the record books for passing right now, since the defense isn't allowed to play anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: Unneccesary Roughness on Rice
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you know my feelings on calls like this... prime time even said on the NFL channel, how is he a defensless player? he's out on the field with full protection, what are pads and helmets for? old school comment for someone who didn't like to hit, but i agree, this is getting pathetic.. goodell get your marbles back from your wife's purse and man the eff up for pete's sake..

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Judging by this, even in super slo-mo, you can see that it was borderline "defenseless" player. Sidney was able to brace for it and within the structure of the rules, I'd say in this case it was probably a bad call. But at full speed, and the scenario in the game (late, garbage time), it could easily be argued that this was to control the safety of the players. Sidney had just gotten his 2nd foot down when he was clobbered high and knocked backwards. Technically, I think this is a foul, but I can see how people would defend both sides.

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