Here's how, for real.



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We should treat our schools like luxury businesses treat their customers. Always the best.

Instead, we treat our schools like walmart... the cheapest.

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Which one? Smaller classes? Better-educated teachers? Professional trust? Less government micromanagement?

Appreciate the post, Roland, but those can all be filed under the "No Kidding" category.

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It is a system that values the teacher, and pays them well. To get a system like that here we'd have to almost change our culture, because we as a people don't value anybody who has anything to do with our kids. Not nannies, not day care workers, not even teachers.

Virtually everything in that video has been proposed at one time or another, always to get shot down because "we can't afford it."

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A nice model.

Finland has less population than the Dallas-Fort Worth area. No bureaucrat from 1,500 miles away interfering.

They have a very settled population, so community stays together. Little to no immigration, so the schools start with one language and build from there.

And parents that educate (and take an interest in education) at home until age 7.

So, if a state here wanted to go that route, why should the federal government get in the way?

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And a lot fewer lame-ass excuses why they "can't afford" to do it.

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What is with conservatives hard on for states-rights? Why dont you secede? Can we stop pretending like we're individual countries?

I said a similar answer on the Icelandic banking issue, but I don't believe that applies here.

If we wanted to do this we could do it. Fuck the money, we'll make it back by returning to the top. We just have no interest in making our education... well, good.

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Go read the Constitution. States' rights are kind of a thing there.


You're a liberal, all right. Pumping money into every leaky institution you can find.

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That's so much bullshit.

First of all, state's rights? This is 2012 not 1776. We're a country, we're not individual states with a treaty.

Yes, I'm willing to fund things that can help us. And you're not willing to let rich people pay taxes? What other stupid things do you want to say?

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I'll tell you what's wrong with education in America... it's all those shitty kids.

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So how do we pay for it? We can't even pay for what we got already.

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Take the money from all those stupid old people. Old people aren't going to work anymore and help the nation. They're just going to sit around.

And I'm not surprised that the "Finland is small, we're big, and the cultures are too different!" defense has been trotted out. My response to that is, "How do you know it won't work unless you try it?" Don't give me hypotheticals.

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Okay, so maybe that pass rush is still an issue. Lather, rinse, repeat.

What the education system needs is more help from the parents. Help in the form of them actually taking more interest in their kids.

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Here's your statement on Iceland;

"Comparing a country of 319,000 to a country of 300 million is difficult to do. They're also comparing unlike scenarios.

Iceland, compared to the US is heavily a self sufficient country. 80% of it's energy is produced in Iceland. There are no highways, there are only 6 cities with a population over 10,000 and ONE over 35,000. It had a relatively high income per capita prior to the collapse.

They also asked for a 4B loan... which is 29% of their GDP. That would be like us asking for a 4 TRILLION loan.



We have 55 cities in the US that have a higher population than all of Iceland. 55."

I'm so glad you are here to tell us which comparison's are valid and which are not.

Now, can anyone state why my comparisons are not worthy of discussion, and why money is the only answer.

If Seattle, or Dallas, or Atlanta, or Chicago school districts chose to follow the Finnish model, should they be allowed to? Should the federal government allow it? Why can't a single district elect to go the Finnish route without waiting for all other districts in the US to do the same?

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Absolutely part of it, along with their parents who allow them to be that way.

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So, you can't see the difference in a culture that starts with 1 language and another that has double digit languages?

We have a local district where over double digit languages and dialects are spoken in the home. Many of the students show up with no or limited English. Do you not see how that can be a difference not only in communication, but also in how the parents educate at home?

In the video it clearly stated the the majority of children/families stay in the same community/school throughout the schooling years? It may be that way where you are, but in our area we are a very mobile society. It is not unusual for more than 50% turnover in an elementary school from 1st to 5th grade. Does that not have an effect on the community/schooling?

I never stated not to try it, in fact making the point that the federal government should stay out of it if in fact a state did want to go that route.

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You see words and get all pissed about nothing based on assumptions. Are you just a frustrated angry young man?

Should one state be allowed to go one way on education (change to the Finnish method) without all the other states doing the same, and without interference from Washington? I say yes.

And no where did I mention funding.

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The family in the video started their day eating breakfast together at the same table prior to school. Clearly an involved family.

How many do you know that do the same?

Is that a culture difference and does it show a more involved and caring family?

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No, I don't believe a state should be able to go one way. I think our education system should be consistent nationwide. And not this lowest common denominator bullshit for education we offer now.

Finland, which I realize is incredibly small, is very consistent with their education, that's why all of their schools produce well-read kids not just some.

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