Very interesting and not surprising.

Good post bro.

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OK I basically admitted defeat above. Now that I think about it that post was pretty harsh, the guy did basically say he just rambled around and saw those stats.

So I'm done. You just accused me of trying to start up a fight, yet you post trying to start a fight again? C'mon... I might have been guilty at first, but now let's just call it good.

You guys win, congratulations. You good now?

Who gives a damn if you need real proof.... it was blatant poor officiating and was noticed by every other Seahawks fan. That you fail to acknowledge is irrelevant.

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I acknowledged it was poor... I just don't think it's biased.

The early blown whistle on the muffed punt was the worst one for me.

Man I am getting flamed in this thread

I like Mike Carey, when he's not officiating Seahawks games.

Stop whining!

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You can't call everything on Mike Carey - look at the muffed punt recovery, was it Carey who awarded possession to the Bears before anyone had even put their hands on the ball? Unless Carey is going into the referee's locker room before the game and saying "right look guys, I want you to call everything Chicago's way", there's no way I can say he's biased.
I'd like to know how many of those games were IN Seattle though, I reckon it may be a case of a referee and team who are too afraid to go against the home team. Looking at those 8 games, the ones you've mentioned in the post, AT Rams, AT Chicago, AT Cleveland, AT New Orleans, and of course last week AT Miami. That seems far more likely that a referee bias that spreads through his entire team.

I think it's mostly just Carey and his crew being horrible. I don't see bias. He's a horrible referee, he fancies himself a showman with his dramatic penalty reveals, and he doesn't have a damn clue how to do the job. Unfortunately we've come out on the wrong end of a disproportionate number of his bad calls, but even nine games is a pretty small sample size to try to analyze for a meaningful conclusion.

He should be fired and blacklisted from all employment in civilized society, but I don't think he's out to get us specifically by any means.

Intentional bias or not, there appears to be a bit of a pattern here. Anyone ever think the possible dislike of the Seahawks is subconcious on his part, whatever the reason? And yeah, the muffed punt wasn't on him but a member of the crew. Sunday's game was the worst officiated game I've seen the Seahawks involved in since SBXL*. As mentioned previously on this thread, all the momentum changing/killing calls seemd to go against the Hawks just like XL*

Look I said Sunday on the gameday forum and I'll say it here.....I generally don't complain too hard about officiating and at times I get pretty weary of some Seahawks' fans seemingly endless complaints about the referees. However, when it's as blatantly one-sided for whatever the reason as the Chicago game was, it's reasonable to be pissed about it.

The NFL has had an officiating problem for years as evidenced by the Hawks game vs. the Ravens a number of years back, the tuck rule game (and quite a number of other screw jobs the Raiders have taken), XL*, the Steelers/Colts game that same post season, etc., etc., etc..... Shark had a great post on the gameday forum about how he wished Goodall would've held fast on the labor dispute with the refs while putting in place a program to train younger and much more athletic refs to permanently take their place. As much as we Hawks' fans loved the result of the Green Bay game, any chance of something like Shark mentioned being implimented went out the window when that game was concluded the way it was, right or wrong.

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This is an extremely good point. A conspiracy among all of the crew seems highly unlikely. Of course the disproportionally could be a manifestation of chance.

Get to the choppa!

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Whether you think he is bias or not, would you want him officiating a playoff game for us? I know I wouldn't.

The problem I have with him and his crew is that I fully expect a screw job of officiating every time he calls a game for us and unfortunately he has never not delivered. It is a pattern when it is predictable and he is the most predictable of any crew that calls our games.

Call it whatever you want but the stats and game records don't lie, even if you don't trust your eye's. IMO there is just to much evidence to support that something smells real bad about him calling Seahawks games.

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Sorry, I don't know how I posted that??

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Well said. There is bias, whether intentional or not, with Carey's crew in particular. The reason(s) may never be known, or we could have a league-wide exposure like we saw in basketball a number of years ago. Who knows?

The muffed punt in particular was troubling. Any time there is a turnover, the little black beanie gets thrown, they let the pile sort it out, and then they award possession. This time, possession had already been called before I even had the chance to make an exclamation about it. When you jump out of your seat as a fan and say, "fumb... what? How is it Chicago's ball already?" you know they're not doing it right. Was the black beanie even thrown on that play? Those of you who have the game recorded, can you say for sure?

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I don't believe in a conspiracy, but I do think that refs get certain preconceptions about which team is supposed to win, or which one commits more penalties and it affects their decisions during a game. I've/We've seen it at all levels, and I think it happened to the Hawks yesterday. We are a poor road team, the Bears were on fire to start the year and we were coming into Soldier Field and not supposed to win. I think that kind of thing makes a difference, whether the ref knows it or not.

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There wasn't a bean bag thrown from the game telecast nor the all-22 shots I looked at. Not sure why the ref was so quick to signal Bears ball. He must have been suffering jet lag.

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Fixed it for you Doc.

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Proof the moon is not made of cheese: The crust of the Moon is composed mostly of oxygen, silicon, magnesium, iron, calcium, and aluminum. There are also trace elements like titanium, uranium, thorium, potassium and hydrogen. This is all determined by scientific analysis of samples from the moon.
Proof of love: Love is an emotion, much like your opinion about the ref being bias. Proof of love would be like me asking you to prove that you "believe" that the refs were bias. The only "proof" available would be conjecture based off of your actions. Since I have never spoken of my mother, you must therefore conclude that with me saying that I do in fact love my mother, that I do. Unfortunately, me just saying it does not constitute proof.

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The first two things you ask to be proven can in fact be proven because they are a physical reality of the world we live in. The idea of love is real and can be proven, but someone experiencing love can never be proven. It is unfortunately the same with someones bias. You can look back at the data available and interpret it as bias, but it can never be proven. Even if the refs came out and said they were bias, that in and of itself is not enough to prove bias. Before you freak out about that statement think about what would happen if in the future he came back and said he lied? Was it then actually proven that he was bias before?

Just to clarify some things, I'm not trying to start an issue. I just wanted to point out that the idea of asking someone to prove someone else's mental disposition is ludicrous. Whether you believe him to be bias or not is your opinion, which is not subject to right or wrong because it can not be proven one way or the other. Your opinion is shaped and adjusted based on facts presented to you in the course of your analysis and therefore also has merit in the conversation.

Carry on.

Fine. Can you prove someone is an alcoholic?
There is no way but that doesn't mean that no one is.

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