Great info man. That's quite the pattern over the past 7 games with all of the personal fouls called against us and almost zero called against opposition...

All speculative bias aside, if the man sucks officiating 7-8 out of 10 games he should not longer be one of the two senior refs of the league.

Yeah kick him out or something. Or maybe it's his crew that sucks, somethings wrong there.

Oddly enough voted in 2008 as one of the best officials, tied with Ed Hochuli for first. I think that's back when he was a back judge though.

Or before he started getting paid to be biased.

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Telling someone that presents some info to "quit whining" isn't exactly simply voicing your opinion. The OP actually brought something to the table, and you have yet to provide anything more than shoving your opinion down others throat and then getting butthurt when they call you on it.

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Dude how many people need to say that they are not whining before it is known?

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Maybe he is biased, and maybe he isn't -- but his officiating yesterday certainly was.

Your point about all refs making bad calls misses the point. We know refs make bad calls. Even in the Super Bowl, I doubt people would have had a problem with bad calls if they hadn't uniformly been against one team in particular. THAT was the problem yesterday. The Bears got the benefit of all close or questionable calls.

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Overturning the Braylon TD was the main thing that stood out to me. There was ZERO clear evidence to overturn that call. Absolutely ZERO!

Exactly. It was his opinion that the ball hit the ground first and that's exactly how that process is not supposed to work.

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well the only point I was trying to make was that I didn't think there was enough evidence, my bad if I acted totally butthurt and whiny I guess

There was just a bit of stuff he missed. Personal fouls aren't the do all end all, we got those called on us for a good reason. We were a pretty stupid team earlier, extremely aggressive.

I guess there is a chance Carey could be biased. My opinion though, is that he's just a subpar ref who needs to be replaced, as he seems to badly referee other games that are not seahawk games.

And Kitsap, I guess I did say people where whining a bit too much, my bad there too. Only meant to say it once. People seem to have stopped mainly......

Dude, stop baiting people. Just because you are in a bad mood it doesn't mean you need to come on here and purposefully piss people off by calling them whiners. It's obvious he was doing no such thing but you couldn't wait to throw that out there and start pissing people off.

Absolutely unneccessary and creates a negative atmosphere on here. Are you counting how many responses you've elicited?

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Very interesting and not surprising.

Good post bro.

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OK I basically admitted defeat above. Now that I think about it that post was pretty harsh, the guy did basically say he just rambled around and saw those stats.

So I'm done. You just accused me of trying to start up a fight, yet you post trying to start a fight again? C'mon... I might have been guilty at first, but now let's just call it good.

You guys win, congratulations. You good now?

Who gives a damn if you need real proof.... it was blatant poor officiating and was noticed by every other Seahawks fan. That you fail to acknowledge is irrelevant.

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I acknowledged it was poor... I just don't think it's biased.

The early blown whistle on the muffed punt was the worst one for me.

Man I am getting flamed in this thread

I like Mike Carey, when he's not officiating Seahawks games.

Stop whining!

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You can't call everything on Mike Carey - look at the muffed punt recovery, was it Carey who awarded possession to the Bears before anyone had even put their hands on the ball? Unless Carey is going into the referee's locker room before the game and saying "right look guys, I want you to call everything Chicago's way", there's no way I can say he's biased.
I'd like to know how many of those games were IN Seattle though, I reckon it may be a case of a referee and team who are too afraid to go against the home team. Looking at those 8 games, the ones you've mentioned in the post, AT Rams, AT Chicago, AT Cleveland, AT New Orleans, and of course last week AT Miami. That seems far more likely that a referee bias that spreads through his entire team.

I think it's mostly just Carey and his crew being horrible. I don't see bias. He's a horrible referee, he fancies himself a showman with his dramatic penalty reveals, and he doesn't have a damn clue how to do the job. Unfortunately we've come out on the wrong end of a disproportionate number of his bad calls, but even nine games is a pretty small sample size to try to analyze for a meaningful conclusion.

He should be fired and blacklisted from all employment in civilized society, but I don't think he's out to get us specifically by any means.

Intentional bias or not, there appears to be a bit of a pattern here. Anyone ever think the possible dislike of the Seahawks is subconcious on his part, whatever the reason? And yeah, the muffed punt wasn't on him but a member of the crew. Sunday's game was the worst officiated game I've seen the Seahawks involved in since SBXL*. As mentioned previously on this thread, all the momentum changing/killing calls seemd to go against the Hawks just like XL*

Look I said Sunday on the gameday forum and I'll say it here.....I generally don't complain too hard about officiating and at times I get pretty weary of some Seahawks' fans seemingly endless complaints about the referees. However, when it's as blatantly one-sided for whatever the reason as the Chicago game was, it's reasonable to be pissed about it.

The NFL has had an officiating problem for years as evidenced by the Hawks game vs. the Ravens a number of years back, the tuck rule game (and quite a number of other screw jobs the Raiders have taken), XL*, the Steelers/Colts game that same post season, etc., etc., etc..... Shark had a great post on the gameday forum about how he wished Goodall would've held fast on the labor dispute with the refs while putting in place a program to train younger and much more athletic refs to permanently take their place. As much as we Hawks' fans loved the result of the Green Bay game, any chance of something like Shark mentioned being implimented went out the window when that game was concluded the way it was, right or wrong.

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This is an extremely good point. A conspiracy among all of the crew seems highly unlikely. Of course the disproportionally could be a manifestation of chance.

Get to the choppa!

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Whether you think he is bias or not, would you want him officiating a playoff game for us? I know I wouldn't.

The problem I have with him and his crew is that I fully expect a screw job of officiating every time he calls a game for us and unfortunately he has never not delivered. It is a pattern when it is predictable and he is the most predictable of any crew that calls our games.

Call it whatever you want but the stats and game records don't lie, even if you don't trust your eye's. IMO there is just to much evidence to support that something smells real bad about him calling Seahawks games.

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Sorry, I don't know how I posted that??

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Well said. There is bias, whether intentional or not, with Carey's crew in particular. The reason(s) may never be known, or we could have a league-wide exposure like we saw in basketball a number of years ago. Who knows?

The muffed punt in particular was troubling. Any time there is a turnover, the little black beanie gets thrown, they let the pile sort it out, and then they award possession. This time, possession had already been called before I even had the chance to make an exclamation about it. When you jump out of your seat as a fan and say, "fumb... what? How is it Chicago's ball already?" you know they're not doing it right. Was the black beanie even thrown on that play? Those of you who have the game recorded, can you say for sure?

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I don't believe in a conspiracy, but I do think that refs get certain preconceptions about which team is supposed to win, or which one commits more penalties and it affects their decisions during a game. I've/We've seen it at all levels, and I think it happened to the Hawks yesterday. We are a poor road team, the Bears were on fire to start the year and we were coming into Soldier Field and not supposed to win. I think that kind of thing makes a difference, whether the ref knows it or not.

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There wasn't a bean bag thrown from the game telecast nor the all-22 shots I looked at. Not sure why the ref was so quick to signal Bears ball. He must have been suffering jet lag.

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Fixed it for you Doc.

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Proof of love: Love is an emotion, much like your opinion about the ref being bias. Proof of love would be like me asking you to prove that you "believe" that the refs were bias. The only "proof" available would be conjecture based off of your actions. Since I have never spoken of my mother, you must therefore conclude that with me saying that I do in fact love my mother, that I do. Unfortunately, me just saying it does not constitute proof.

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The first two things you ask to be proven can in fact be proven because they are a physical reality of the world we live in. The idea of love is real and can be proven, but someone experiencing love can never be proven. It is unfortunately the same with someones bias. You can look back at the data available and interpret it as bias, but it can never be proven. Even if the refs came out and said they were bias, that in and of itself is not enough to prove bias. Before you freak out about that statement think about what would happen if in the future he came back and said he lied? Was it then actually proven that he was bias before?

Just to clarify some things, I'm not trying to start an issue. I just wanted to point out that the idea of asking someone to prove someone else's mental disposition is ludicrous. Whether you believe him to be bias or not is your opinion, which is not subject to right or wrong because it can not be proven one way or the other. Your opinion is shaped and adjusted based on facts presented to you in the course of your analysis and therefore also has merit in the conversation.

Carry on.

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Shouldn't that have been 15 personal foul

Carey..."personal foul...15 yards...decapitation of a defenseless receiver"

Never saw a flag

I mean sure we got some calls our way, but look at the calls that went against us...it just seems every time he refs we are always on the losing end.

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Notice all the "famous" carey's are comedians? Time for a new job Mike!

I just rewatched the game on Rewind and a couple notes on the refs...

1. If you watch the live game angle...not all the endzone angle replays they showed...Lynch's left knee is on the ground, and clearly IMO.

2. On Bennett's deep drop in the second quarter Clemons was literally TACKLED by their right tackle, directly in front of Carey. The RT grabs Clemons by the front of the shoulder pads and in the horsecollar area in back and just flat out tackles him a split second before Clemons commits a violent crime on Cutler. Four times I watched that play because I could not believe Carey missed it.

3. On the muffed punt the referee, standing directly behind the play with a beautiful angle, signals Bears ball before ANY possession is established. The returner and Maragos dive for the ball and the referee instantly signals Bears ball despite the fact that on the replay it looks like Maragos has possession immediately.

"Carey was just doing his job. He was told to keep the game close due to the action in Vegas (line was Seahawks +3.5, I think), but he, personally, wanted the Bears to win. So he wanted to see the game end in a 1 2 or 3 point win for Chicago, but because Russell Wilson could not accept the Seahawks losing that game, Carey was forced to give the Hawks the game on the Rice TD (which gets the job done for Vegas and explains why Carey was so butthurt about calling the game for Seattle at the end)."

QFT

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Just caught a clip of the Rice catch in the final drive with 30 seconds left and Pete is running onto the field towards the ref's signaling TO. I thought it seemed like he was making absolutely sure they didn't ignore him and let the clock run. This may not sound like Much but when you factor in these same officials missed him calling TO in the Rams game, on the trick FG that gave them 7 points and eventually cost us the game, I got more the feeling that he knows Carey is deliberately trying to screw the Seahawks and so he was making a public display so as they couldn't ignore him.

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Discouraging the general populice from sports wagering is never a bad thing....but Vegas has absolutely no influence on the outcome of football games, college or pro. Now, that is not to say that some ahole rogue ref could'nt place a bet, then decide to steer the outcome to his favor. Doubtful but could happen, but the casinos do not participate in such shenanigans. A friend that would know such things assured me of this, then in the next breath told me to never bet on Baseball.

I think its time for the NFL to flush the toilet, and bring in people who for real closely watch and call a great game. I think its a general consensus that, among many refs, its ok to flag the piss out of the hawks. Dont know why. I've been watching the hawks forever and the refs have had their way with the hawks more than not. Whens the last time you said the refs called a good game?

That does it for me. What better proof of bias do you want? You throw the bean bag on a turnover. Then you determine possession. He signaled possession before the players even hit the ground, not even bothering with the bean bag. Why would he do that unless it didn't matter who actually had possession? He was going to call Bears' ball no matter what.

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One omission from the unofficial sportsline research; CHI was called for one personal foul, a horsecollar tackle by Urlacher.

Good point. I thought that was a pretty good call. I definitely didn't see it at first, all I thought was "huh, Leon got tackled kinda funny there".

We got a key non call in the game. If there was a conspiracy against the Seahawks by the officiating crew they would have called Baldwin for offense pass interference on a key first down in the game winning drive.

Just because one guy, the same guy that called the horse collar on Washington's tackle, doesn't show bias, it doesn't clear the others as such

Go watch the horse collar call and note how much explaining the official had to do to Carey before Carey would finally make the call. Carey did overturn another call by saying Wilson was out of the pocket. Do you believe he would have done that if it favored the Bears?

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I have no idea what he would have done. I don't think you do either. The most egregious call was the muffed punt...Carey didn't make that call.

Exactly..ref had a hand up in the air for the Bears WAY too fast.

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But Wilson was out of the pocket, it was a good call. We can't get angry at good calls.

We don't know when the flag was thrown so it's not automatic that he was out of the pocket and the by itself is meaningless but when put into the context of that game it suddenly looks more suspicious whether it was the right call or not.
The officials get away with these types of games because you can justify any call, as a mistake if need be but sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture, like Hasselbeck's chop block. Out of context it is just a bad call.

With this crew you don't even need to isolate one game, we have years of tape to analyse and the trend has been consistent through all of them. That becomes to much information to ignore or excuse away one call at a time.

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