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 Post subject: Schefter: Appeal date set for Sherman, not for Browner
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RT @AdamSchefter: Appeal of Seahawks CB Richard Sherman’s four-game suspension is scheduled for Dec. 14, which means he will play Sunday against Arizona.


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RT @AdamSchefter: Still no appeal date set for Seahawks CB Brandon Browner.

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Good. We will be able to at least slightly stagger the suspensions.

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I actually think that Sherman playing this weekend turns out to be very bad news for the Hawks, unless of course the ruling is overturned. I would much rather have him miss the Arizona game than the first playoff game. Actually with it being the 14th (which is a Friday) it probably means he'll be available for the Bills games as well unless they pretty much instantaneously make a ruling and would start his suspension in less than 48 hours after the appeal is heard.

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I actually think that Sherman playing this weekend turns out to be very bad news for the Hawks, unless of course the ruling is overturned. I would much rather have him miss the Arizona game than the first playoff game. Actually with it being the 14th (which is a Friday) it probably means he'll be available for the Bills games as well unless they pretty much instantaneously make a ruling and would start his suspension in less than 48 hours after the appeal is heard.


I agree. I'd rather bite the bullet before the playoffs.

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Either way, if he is suspended (which is very likely), it will at least give us some time to get the backups up to speed before playoff time.

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Get it over with please!

is there a backup at the NFL league office for appeals?


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They are going to have a hard time MAKING the playoffs without these guys.

You push theses suspensions back as far as you can.

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Get it over with please!

is there a backup at the NFL league office for appeals?


I remember reading that the NFL actually set a priority on pushing these appeals through. I think the delay is due to the nature of the appeal, in that the actual testing procedures are being called into question, so both sides need time to prepare experts and/or witnesses to the events. It is a bit different than appealing a fine/suspension from on the field play, or off the field conduct. Those things are essentially set in stone by the CBA, and both the NFLPA and the NFL know how much they can push on each side, and the whole process is just a review of the facts. Failed PED/banned substance tests are a lot more complicated, and have in the past pushed all the way to higher level courts.

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 Post subject: Re: Schefter: Appeal date set for Sherman, not for Browner
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They are going to have a hard time MAKING the playoffs without these guys.

You push theses suspensions back as far as you can.




I agree. They are not going to help you out much in the playoffs, if there are no playoffs. Staggering would be ideal.

How long after an appeal does it typically take for Genaralisimo Goodell to make a decision? Is it as fast as same day?


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I've spoken with a few people about this but I haven't seen it posted:

What about the possibility of a reduction to the suspension? Is that possible? Probably unlikely, but it seems to me to a compromise, if in fact that Browner and Sherman have ANY leg to stand on as far as their appeals. if the testing procedure could be questioned maybe they'll reduce the number?

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They are going to have a hard time MAKING the playoffs without these guys.

You push theses suspensions back as far as you can.




I agree. They are not going to help you out much in the playoffs, if there are no playoffs. Staggering would be ideal.

I think that's assuming that the drop off will be HUGE from BB/Sherm to our backups. I don't know who Pete will start in their places, but we don't really know how good or bad our backups are yet. Remember when Sherm was like 3rd or 4th string? There's no reason to think lightning can't strike twice.

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They have been staggered before

@thomasbeekers: For example, Sherman drops now and gets suspended, Browner tries to get it schedule two weeks later. Talib/Wright did something similar.


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Walter Thurmond is a starting caliber NFL CB when healthy. We're not signing loan officers off the street to fill in here, we're expecting legitimate NFL players to step up and do what they're paid to do. Will there be a drop-off? Sure. However, in talking with people that know Carroll's scheme, CB is one of the more fungible positions. If we were to lose Earl it would be a way bigger blow than if we lost Sherm or Browner, regardless of how great we think those two are. Pete relies on his safeties more than his CBs.


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He just needs to face the music and get it over with, I hate to see the Hawks without him I just don't see how holding out will help the team.

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Lets win the division and get a first-round bye.


theyre suspended 4 games not 4 weeks


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Lets win the division and get a first-round bye.


theyre suspended 4 games not 4 weeks


Oh.... Are we certain of that? Yes. I'm guessing we are..... Shucks.

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Digsbone wrote:
He just needs to face the music and get it over with, I hate to see the Hawks without him I just don't see how holding out will help the team.


If he is not guilty it makes all the sense in the world to appeal.

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He just needs to face the music and get it over with, I hate to see the Hawks without him I just don't see how holding out will help the team.


If he is not guilty it makes all the sense in the world to appeal.


It helps the team if he wins his appeal. Sherman isn't an idiot. If he knew he didn't have a shot at appeal i'm sure he would just accept it.

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These last 4 games, barring SF, should be wins for us regardless of having the duo. Having them out now would be highly ideal. I would rather have backups vs az, stl, buf, then having them against GB, CHI, NY in the playoffs.

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They are going to have a hard time MAKING the playoffs without these guys.


No, we're not.

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Basis4day wrote:
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He just needs to face the music and get it over with, I hate to see the Hawks without him I just don't see how holding out will help the team.


If he is not guilty it makes all the sense in the world to appeal.


It helps the team if he wins his appeal. Sherman isn't an idiot. If he knew he didn't have a shot at appeal i'm sure he would just accept it.


IDK about that. What is it people say about men and their pride? Maybe he is appealing so he isnt looked at like a cheater, for better or worse.


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Has anyone considered that their suspension might get overturned? Or is it that unlikely?

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Has anyone considered that their suspension might get overturned? Or is it that unlikely?


Overturned is highly unlikely. Reduced, possibly. Off the top of my head, the only players that have had suspensions like these overturned/reduced fall into two categories: those that had a legitimate reason for using the banned substance, or those that fight the ruling to higher courts. Andre Brown successfully overturned a suspension for Adderall, because he had a prescription for it, I believe, and I am sure there are other cases like that. Granted we haven't heard the players side of things yet, so I am not sure of their argument, but the only way I see them getting off is proving some form of tampering.

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Boy oh boy...

If there is ANY chance this suspension is going to remain, we need to drop the appeal and allow the 4 games to start....It's an understatement to say that Lindley/Kolb/Skeleton and the Cards at home is a much easier game than SF, NYG, or GB on the road in the playoffs....

He must have a better story than "I drank my team-mates water bottle".

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This is really a tough decision. Vital games to make the playoffs (albeit ones we feel we can win) or super important playoff game(s)? I find I change my mind on this every 10 minutes. But ultimately I think you have to do everything you can to make the playoffs. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Never take anything for granted.

PS - Am I the only one who isn't all that torn up about the loss of Browner? I know he's head and shoulders better than our other guys. But he hasn't exactly played awesome of late. Sherman really hurts. And the duo together is killer. But Browner on his own wouldn't have got me too torn up.

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He just needs to face the music and get it over with, I hate to see the Hawks without him I just don't see how holding out will help the team.

How bout if he pushes all the way back to next season?

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it's tough...but it is really going to suck if these suspensions carry into the playoffs and even into next year...I'd rather get it over with.

Either way, DB could become a HUGE need in the draft if we want to start off right next year if we can't count on either corn to stay out of trouble.


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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/28/giants-tyler-sash-loses-appeal-of-suspension/

This article scares the hell out of me.

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Are we even sure that the suspensions would include playoff games? It might be that they get suspended for the last 2 games this year, get to play in the playoffs, then the first 2 games next year. I dont know, just throwing that out as a possibility.

As for rolling over and just taking the punishment if they were guilty I would say absolutely. But they both maintain their innocence. (im pretty sketical, but who knows) If they truely believe they're innocent I would hope that they fight it as long as possible.

Remember, the next time they get caught its a full season suspension. So if they think there's any chance of being proven innocent now they HAVE to take it, just in case they somehow get caught again in the future.

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A Texans' kicker last year was suspended for four games last year which included the playoff game against BAL.

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They are going to have a hard time MAKING the playoffs without these guys.


No, we're not.



seriously, how did Cutler move the ball so EASILY late in the 4th to put da bears in position for a FG and ultimately tie the game?

that game was a cinch after the Hawks hogged the clock and moved the ball down field for 7, the ONLY way they lose or tie is if Cutler is able to connect on a hail mary down field and sure enough..

that was ugly, just as ugly as Kapps rainbow lateral to let the Rams back in..

however it was fun watching both games at the same time both go into overtime, the niner game was a 52 yarder away from being a tie for the second time in the same season with the same 2 teams.. wow, really wild games.

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Why would Browner or Sherman want to lose game checks this year? These guys want to get paid, and the longer the appeal the longer they play this year and make money. I hope that these guys are telling the truth, and the suspensions a re reduced or lifted. I would also hope that these guys would think about the team first, but these guys are professionals and get paid. Why would they want to lose money now, when it's better to delay.

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Um, I'm pretty sure browner is up for a pay raise this off season. IN that case, those games would be much more expensive to miss. Maybe even twice as much.

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I am not sure the suspensions can be reduced. This is not a hit that was deemed a 10 out of 10 on some scale and when reviewed is changed to a 7 / 10 and suspensions is 1 game instead of 2 or something like that. This isn't a DUI that turned out from killing someone to the guy was jaywalking and you can apparently drive him over if that is the case (Donte Stallworth).

This is classified as a PED which carries a 4 game suspension. You either break the rules or have the right to take it. I see you winning this on bad testtaking or showing how you took something that shouldn't have had the drug in it but it did.

I guess I could see a lowered sentence only if the guy has the full medical clearance and NFL agrees on why but the guy should have applied earlier........ that is highly unlikely though


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