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Sherm speaking out about Wilson


"They're going to hype who they're going to hype, and you're in the Seattle market, and it doesn't matter what you do,"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... w-luck-rg3


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You know the hype stuff is really true. Everyone says Andrew Luck is so amazing on how he beat the lions blahblahblah, but nothing about his lousy completion percentage...just looked at his stats 24/54 (44% completion percentage), 4TDs 3INT. IMO that's not that Impressive. You don't throw those 3 picks and you wouldn't even be in that situation. He's good for a rookie, but extrremely overrated by the media. Yesterday I heard the MVP talk again from Michael Irvin and some other clown..uhm..what??.Deion actually said they lost their mind..lol.


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:x :x The article is wrong. it says he drove 97 yards to tie. NO........they were down 4, he drove the 97 yards to win!


and Good for Sherm to stand up for his QB, cause RW saved his ass in that OT. IMO

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If he keeps doing what he did yesterday, it's definitely becoming harder to dispute that.

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ya but the media will not allow it some how its retarded

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ya but the media will not allow it some how its retarded


Disagree. We're the front runners in the last wild-card playoff chase (which will be covered extensively).. and if Seattle wins the next two games + a SF loss to NE.. suddenly that Week 16 game will be in the National spotlight due to the division implications it will have.

The media and the casual fan who has only seen Seattle play when Wilson really didn't do a whole lot (against SF and GB) will see what those who have followed this team all year have seen if he keeps it up. Give it time, satellite signals from Cairo take awhile to get out east. :th2thumbs:

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News Flash! Luck beat the 4 and 8 Lions, in a Dome, who have a crap head coach!

We beat the NFC North leading, 8 and 4 Chicago Bears who everyone says is a Superbowl contender, in their house, on a thick, grassy field!

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News Flash! Luck beat the 4 and 8 Lions, in a Dome, who have a crap head coach!

We beat the NFC North leading, 8 and 4 Chicago Bears who everyone says is a Superbowl contender, in their house, on a thick, grassy field!


And yet Luck will get all the attention due to his 300+ yard game and 4 TD's. Nevermind the 3 INT's.

It's too bad that in RW's 2 best games he's had 293 yards. So close to 300. 300 is the mark and since he hasn't hit it his play is discounted.

RW IMO should be NFC player of the week. Not rookie of the week, but player of the week. Remember a few weeks back Kaepernick got all the love against the Bears in SF. My guess is RW won't get that same kind of love.


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If any of you want to come over, I will show you the Luck game. Freaking amazing!!!!

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On a side note, the NFL Network sidebar (for upcoming stories) says "Sherman on Russell Wilson". Sherman's essentially a household name now.


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For a guy that has thrown 17 picks as luck has and they are talking MVP. And russ made 2 game winning drives and its like oh seahawks win. It blows my mind. RG3 is ok but if he throws or runs 2 tds russ will be an after thought.

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They had this on ESPN this morning. It made me love Sherman all the more.

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I friggin love Sherman


Except when he's giving up 50 yard pass plays and/or all geeked up on Adderall.

Sherman better be kissing Wilson's ass, cause if Wilson doesn't walk on water yesterday in overtime, today we're talking about Sherman going selfishly for the interception instead of just knocking the ball down on the 50 yard catch by Marshall.

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If any of you want to come over, I will show you the Luck game. Freaking amazing!!!!


Caught the end and Luck had quite the drive of his own.

Albeit different circumstances from Wilson, where Luck seemingly dug his own hole with mistakes early on - still .. both these guys are special. This rookie class could be historically good when it's all said and done.

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Hasselbeck wrote:
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If any of you want to come over, I will show you the Luck game. Freaking amazing!!!!


Caught the end and Luck had quite the drive of his own.

Albeit different circumstances from Wilson, where Luck seemingly dug his own hole with mistakes early on - still .. both these guys are special. This rookie class could be historically good when it's all said and done.



And that right there is the difference IMO. Russell doesn't dig his own hole, he digs out of the ones others dig for him.


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How many game winning drives have our defense cost Wilson?

Detroit, Miami, wouldn't AZ qualify? Can't remember the Rams game.

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News Flash! Luck beat the 4 and 8 Lions, in a Dome, who have a crap head coach!

We beat the NFC North leading, 8 and 4 Chicago Bears who everyone says is a Superbowl contender, in their house, on a thick, grassy field!


To be fair, we lost to the same Lions team, in the same dome, with the same head coach.

The Colts went from the worst record in the league to being a front runner for the wildcard, thats pretty impressive by any standard.

That being said, if we win out......I agree that Russell should be the ROY. Won't happen, but like Sherm says, we play in the Pac Northwest!


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Its weird, Luck has the same completion % as Sanchez (only skelton is lower), and more turnovers. He actually leads the league in turnovers. He has a worse QB rating than Blaine Gabbert.

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I friggin love Sherman


Except when he's giving up 50 yard pass plays and/or all geeked up on Adderall.

Sherman better be kissing Wilson's ass, cause if Wilson doesn't walk on water yesterday in overtime, today we're talking about Sherman going selfishly for the interception instead of just knocking the ball down on the 50 yard catch by Marshall.


Players make mistakes/mental errors. The defense have been keeping this team in the playoff hunt for the majority of the season. It's only right the offense (including RW) stepped up and took the wheel when the defense was struggling.

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Players make mistakes/mental errors. The defense have been keeping this team in the playoff hunt for the majority of the season. It's only right the offense (including RW) stepped up and took the wheel when the defense was struggling.


Actually this defense has been trying it's hardest to lose road games the last two months, in spite of the offense coming around.

Yes we won yesterday, super exciting game no doubt. BUT........that doesn't hide the fact that our defense is still making critical errors in crucial situations. Dumb penalties, still horrible on 3rd downs, giving up big plays, etc. The last Chicago series alone was a nightmare, hands to the face penalty, roughing the passer penalty, long pass........bad, bad, and bad.

Carroll and Bradley have got to lock this stuff down.

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How many game winning drives have our defense cost Wilson?

Detroit, Miami, wouldn't AZ qualify? Can't remember the Rams game.



Definitely the first three...the Rams game not so much.


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The media crush on Luck is nauseating. We get it - he is the "ordained" and he is the #1 pick and is the protoype size for the cookie cutter following NFL.

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Wilson - 95.2 rating, 63.4% completion, 19 TDs, 8 INTs in 317 pass attempts.
Luck - 76.1 rating, 55.5%, 17 TDs, 16 INTs in 503 attempts.

Wilson has thrown 1 pick in the last 142 pass attempts. He has more TDs than Luck in almost 200 fewer attempts. The Seahawks have also played a much tougher schedule, especially against some better defenses. I'd like to see Luck facing SF, STL and AZ twice in his divisional rotation instead of the likes of Jacksonville and Tennessee (well, I guess he does have to play Houston but that doesn't support my argument so to heck with it).

If you would have told me before the season those would be the stats after 12 games and didn't identify which was which, I would have put money that it would be reversed (Luck would have Wilson's stats).

The Seahawks have also played a much tougher schedule.

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FlyingGreg wrote:
The Seahawks have also played a much tougher schedule.


Very true. Plus the Colts throw the ball 50 times a game cause they have ZERO running game, so of course Luck's going to have more passing yards.

But having said that, all three rookie QB's have had phenomenal seasons. It'd be hard to argue against any of them winning ROY. RG3 has 19 TD's and only 4 interceptions. Very impressive.

Devil's advocate also says Wilson has the better team around him that's helped him succeed, and RG3 and Luck have pretty much had to do it all themselves.

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Hollandhawk wrote:
Sherm speaking out about Wilson


"They're going to hype who they're going to hype, and you're in the Seattle market, and it doesn't matter what you do,"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... w-luck-rg3


No bias there at all.

Considering the 1 win team he inherited with his addition to the team and the turn around it created Luck is clearly, imo, the best rookie QB. Wilson inherited an 8-8 team on the verge of breaking out with better QB play.


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FlyingGreg wrote:
The media crush on Luck is nauseating. We get it - he is the "ordained" and he is the #1 pick and is the protoype size for the cookie cutter following NFL.

BUT:

Wilson - 95.2 rating, 63.4% completion, 19 TDs, 8 INTs in 317 pass attempts.
Luck - 76.1 rating, 55.5%, 17 TDs, 16 INTs in 503 attempts.

Wilson has thrown 1 pick in the last 142 pass attempts. He has more TDs than Luck in almost 200 fewer attempts. The Seahawks have also played a much tougher schedule, especially against some better defenses. I'd like to see Luck facing SF, STL and AZ twice in his divisional rotation instead of the likes of Jacksonville and Tennessee (well, I guess he does have to play Houston but that doesn't support my argument so to heck with it).

If you would have told me before the season those would be the stats after 12 games and didn't identify which was which, I would have put money that it would be reversed (Luck would have Wilson's stats).

The Seahawks have also played a much tougher schedule.


They haven't played Houston yet though so your point stands for another week or 2.


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Hollandhawk wrote:
Sherm speaking out about Wilson


"They're going to hype who they're going to hype, and you're in the Seattle market, and it doesn't matter what you do,"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... w-luck-rg3


No bias there at all.

Considering the 1 win team he inherited with his addition to the team and the turn around it created Luck is clearly, imo, the best rookie QB. Wilson inherited an 8-8 team on the verge of breaking out with better QB play.

I won't buy into that nor will the Dolphins who went from one win to winning the division then back to the cellar the next year. Do you really believe he is the savior that turned that corner for them or will they be flat lining till they really fix the problem?


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The media crush on Luck is nauseating. We get it - he is the "ordained" and he is the #1 pick and is the protoype size for the cookie cutter following NFL.


Media had a big crush on a certain QB named Cam Newton last year as well. "Superman" was the second coming and could do no wrong. The problem is the game catches up and when it does they suck ala Cam this year.

I think the advantage that Wilson has is that we don't have put all our eggs in his basket. We have a solid defense, and running game to take the pressure off him. Teams can't just game plan RW, they can Luck and RGIII. Once this league has a year of film to look at, the game is going to catch up fast. At least one (Luck or RGIII) is going to have a Newton like slump next year. Wilson I think will be even better.


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I friggin love Sherman


Except when he's giving up 50 yard pass plays and/or all geeked up on Adderall.

Sherman better be kissing Wilson's ass, cause if Wilson doesn't walk on water yesterday in overtime, today we're talking about Sherman going selfishly for the interception instead of just knocking the ball down on the 50 yard catch by Marshall.


Players make mistakes/mental errors. The defense have been keeping this team in the playoff hunt for the majority of the season. It's only right the offense (including RW) stepped up and took the wheel when the defense was struggling.


Yup. Early in the year, we won because the defense picked up the offense. Lately, the offense has picked up the defense.

No reason for people to have so much recency bias; all the wins count the same when the playoff seeds are doled out.


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Considering the 1 win team he inherited with his addition to the team and the turn around it created Luck is clearly, imo, the best rookie QB. Wilson inherited an 8-8 team on the verge of breaking out with better QB play.

I won't buy into that nor will the Dolphins who went from one win to winning the division then back to the cellar the next year. Do you really believe he is the savior that turned that corner for them or will they be flat lining till they really fix the problem?


The Dolphins aren't a great example since their turn around and collapse came about due to a gimmick system that was quickly figured out.

As for the Colts, you would have to be blind not to see that they are much better team with him leading it. They aren't winning because of a gimmick offense nobody has defended before, but because they have a rookie QB airing it out a lot. I don't claim that he is their savior, they have to many problems besides QB that they need to fix, but their quick turn around can't be ignored.

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Media had a big crush on a certain QB named Cam Newton last year as well. "Superman" was the second coming and could do no wrong. The problem is the game catches up and when it does they suck ala Cam this year.

I think the advantage that Wilson has is that we don't have put all our eggs in his basket. We have a solid defense, and running game to take the pressure off him. Teams can't just game plan RW, they can Luck and RGIII. Once this league has a year of film to look at, the game is going to catch up fast. At least one (Luck or RGIII) is going to have a Newton like slump next year. Wilson I think will be even better.


The reason Cam was successful his first year is for largely the same reasons Griffin has been successful this year. Their athleticism has helped them immensely and helped obscure exploitable flaws in their game. Griffin will very likely be the one that will with the 2nd year slump. Luck will likely approve quite a bit, but be hampered by a sub par supporting cast. Wilson will likely be the one who takes the biggest step next year due to a better supporting caste. Though none of that is guaranteed.


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