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Post subject: Does our defense suck now?  Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:09 pm |
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Two bad performances in a row. I used to think they were no question top 5, but now we are lucky if they are top 10. They look below average honestly.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:11 pm |
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These moronic personal fouls are just killing me. They cost us the game last week and almost costs us the game today.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:12 pm |
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hawksfan515 wrote: Two bad performances in a row. I used to think they were no question top 5, but now we are lucky if they are top 10. They look below average honestly. The defense did not have a bad performance today. They had a really bad play at the end of the game but held an 8 and 3 team to 17 points on the road yet.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:12 pm |
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Yes. Right now it does.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:13 pm |
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They allowed 17 points and 365 total yards today, so no, they didn't suck. What people are seeing as "suck" is a combination of letdown from "elite" from early in the season and clutch plays being given up on crucial moments while the defense philosophically holds its ground.
Suck was 2009-2010. Today, the Seahawks defense allowed two touchdown drives. In 2009-2010, it was allowing four or five per game.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:13 pm |
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The defense doesn't "suck".
The pass rush does.
And man did I think we would force a lot more turnovers this season....
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:14 pm |
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hawksfan515 wrote: Two bad performances in a row. I used to think they were no question top 5, but now we are lucky if they are top 10. They look below average honestly. Bad performances lead to 27+ points. Allowing 17 points isn't really bad, they just had a couple bad plays and let the bad officiating get to them. That being said, I'm very concerned about our lack of pass rush. Vanilla zone defense is killing us, we need turnovers and some more exotic blitzes.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:14 pm |
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warden wrote: hawksfan515 wrote: Two bad performances in a row. I used to think they were no question top 5, but now we are lucky if they are top 10. They look below average honestly. The defense did not have a bad performance today. They had a really bad play at the end of the game but held an 8 and 3 team to 17 points on the road yet. A VERY depleted 8-3 team to 17 points. Last week I thought it was fatigue. This week? I dont know anymore.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:18 pm |
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They haven't lived up to my "elite" expectations this year overall, but I sure wouldn't say they suck.
Still, considering everything that happened in those last few minutes, I can't say I would've felt confident had we lost the coin toss.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:20 pm |
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pehawk wrote: warden wrote: hawksfan515 wrote: Two bad performances in a row. I used to think they were no question top 5, but now we are lucky if they are top 10. They look below average honestly. The defense did not have a bad performance today. They had a really bad play at the end of the game but held an 8 and 3 team to 17 points on the road yet. A VERY depleted 8-3 team to 17 points. Last week I thought it was fatigue. This week? I dont know anymore. 3 second year players and and 2 rookies (counting Irvin) on your starting unit, you really expect to see some struggles, some inconsistencies. We are learning, we are showing a lot of promising signs. We are close but not quite there yet. More push from the middle of the DL is something to look for in the off season. The reason fans are so disappointed with the defense right now is they had too high of expectations for such a young unit.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:20 pm |
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Tech Worlds wrote: Yes. Right now it does. This _________________ 
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:21 pm |
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warden wrote: 3 second year players and and 2 rookies (counting Irvin) on your starting unit, you really expect to see some struggles, some inconsistencies. We are learning, we are showing a lot of promising signs. We are close but not quite there yet. More push from the middle of the DL is something to look for in the off season. The reason fans are so disappointed with the defense right now is they had too high of expectations for such a young unit. I hope that's the answer, truly.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:23 pm |
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warden wrote: The reason fans are so disappointed with the defense right now is they had too high of expectations for such a young unit. Put me in that camp. Got way caught up in the hype, haha.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:23 pm |
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pehawk wrote: warden wrote: hawksfan515 wrote: Two bad performances in a row. I used to think they were no question top 5, but now we are lucky if they are top 10. They look below average honestly. The defense did not have a bad performance today. They had a really bad play at the end of the game but held an 8 and 3 team to 17 points on the road yet. A VERY depleted 8-3 team to 17 points. Last week I thought it was fatigue. This week? I dont know anymore. Yeah, gotta say, the Bears offensive line was horribly patched, and there was no weapons outside of Marshall, Cutler, and Forte. If we had a semblance of a red zone defense then we look a lot better on the scoreboard.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:24 pm |
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I have a feeling this looming four game suspension has taken a toll on the secondary.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:25 pm |
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hawksfan515 wrote: pehawk wrote: warden wrote: The defense did not have a bad performance today. They had a really bad play at the end of the game but held an 8 and 3 team to 17 points on the road yet. A VERY depleted 8-3 team to 17 points. Last week I thought it was fatigue. This week? I dont know anymore. Yeah, gotta say, the Bears offensive line was horribly patched, and there was no weapons outside of Marshall, Cutler, and Forte. If we had a semblance of a red zone defense then we look a lot better on the scoreboard. You mean better than allowing only 17 points? _________________ GO HAWKS!!! Visit my Seahawks blog at 17power.blogspot.com!Follow me on Twitter at @17power
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:25 pm |
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Thing is, the Bears didn't even TRY to maximize anyone other than Marshall. Which is fine, he's a GREAT player. But, it looked SO easy. Sooooo easy.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:26 pm |
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pehawk wrote: Thing is, the Bears didn't even TRY to maximize anyone other than Marshall. They didn't really have anybody else, tho. Bennett isn't all that. _________________ GO HAWKS!!! Visit my Seahawks blog at 17power.blogspot.com!Follow me on Twitter at @17power
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:29 pm |
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MontanaHawk05 wrote: You mean better than allowing only 17 points? Yeah actually. We really only allowed 3 trips into the redzone. Problem is, 2 of them were converted for TD's, and the other was close to being a TD, and the Bears obviously thought they could get one by going for it on 4th down. We used to have a really good red zone defense, but lately it's been a sieve.
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Post subject: Re: Does our defense suck now? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:29 pm |
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hawkfannj wrote: Tech Worlds wrote: Yes. Right now it does. This +2 3rd down and long still a HUGE problem (scheme?) and giving up that long pass with 24 secs. left was COMPLETELY inexcusable. Pass rush was very poor against an o-line that if you described it as 'patchwork' you'd be complimenting them. I expect the Seahawks defense will make Lindley or whoever is the QB for AZ next week look awesome even though the Jets held the Cards to 6 today.
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