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Post subject: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes?  Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:08 pm |
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The players or the coaches?
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:10 pm |
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Yes.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:24 pm |
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Aside from that last boneheaded play, it was just Marshall balling out. I guess that is on the coach to not single him out more but I guess they were just confident in Sherman and Browner being able to man him up.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:27 pm |
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sturg78 wrote: Aside from that last boneheaded play, it was just Marshall balling out. I guess that is on the coach to not single him out more but I guess they were just confident in Sherman and Browner being able to man him up. Stop, just stop. It was Matt Stafford and the Lions with their backs against the wall. Then it was AP just doing his thing. Then it was Dolphins doing...<insert excuse> The defense is regressing. Period.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:29 pm |
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Zone defense. I don't know if that is an and/or option for the players and coaches.
Often, it's one or the other: calling, substituting, or executing.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:29 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:30 pm |
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When one guy beats you, its on the coaches. When the team consistently fails on 3rd and long, its the coaches. When you have so many ballers on the D like we do and they faulter as such, its the coaches.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:35 pm |
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Entropy has this one. We were in zone defense all first half, and Marshall killed us. We switched to bump and run, and mostly shut him down the 2nd half.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:39 pm |
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We held the Bears to 17pts on their home turf, and we suck? Yes, that one play sucked big time, but if our Defense hadn't held them to 14 pts previously, we never would have had a chance.
But hey, haters gonna hate.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:24 pm |
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Very good points LymonHawk. Might as well appreciate the win (we sure as hell have beat ourselves up over the last week). A win is a friggin WIN!
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:32 pm |
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LymonHawk wrote: We held the Bears to 17pts on their home turf, and we suck? Yes, that one play sucked big time, but if our Defense hadn't held them to 14 pts previously, we never would have had a chance.
But hey, haters gonna hate. There were several open receivers who dropped key passes, including a deep TD strike where the receiver blew past Brandon Browner. We couldn't get pressure on an awful Bears OL. It's concerning. I'm psyched for the win, but there's legit reasons to be concerned.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:33 pm |
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jkitsune wrote: LymonHawk wrote: We held the Bears to 17pts on their home turf, and we suck? Yes, that one play sucked big time, but if our Defense hadn't held them to 14 pts previously, we never would have had a chance.
But hey, haters gonna hate. There were several open receivers who dropped key passes, including a deep TD strike where the receiver blew past Brandon Browner. We couldn't get pressure on an awful Bears OL. It's concerning. I'm psyched for the win, but there's legit reasons to be concerned. Agreed.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:34 pm |
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It's on coaching. They need to rush the passer more.
And hate to say it, but it looked like our corners could have used some adderall today...
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:34 pm |
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It's gotta be both. Seems like players are getting away from the basics and trying to do to much, and the coaches need to straighten that out.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:37 pm |
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jkitsune wrote: LymonHawk wrote: We held the Bears to 17pts on their home turf, and we suck? Yes, that one play sucked big time, but if our Defense hadn't held them to 14 pts previously, we never would have had a chance.
But hey, haters gonna hate. There were several open receivers who dropped key passes, including a deep TD strike where the receiver blew past Brandon Browner. We couldn't get pressure on an awful Bears OL. It's concerning. I'm psyched for the win, but there's legit reasons to be concerned. Funny that you mention that play and state that we couldn't get any pressure. For one, pressure from Clemmons forced Cutler out of the pocket and if holding was called after the RT tackled CC to the ground then that play would not have mattered at all.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:37 pm |
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Our pass rush has pretty much disappeared over the last few weeks. They need to pick it up big time.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:37 pm |
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I'm sure you're not using one play where we got a little bit of pressure to excuse the lack of it all game.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:38 pm |
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razgriz737 wrote: jkitsune wrote: LymonHawk wrote: We held the Bears to 17pts on their home turf, and we suck? Yes, that one play sucked big time, but if our Defense hadn't held them to 14 pts previously, we never would have had a chance.
But hey, haters gonna hate. There were several open receivers who dropped key passes, including a deep TD strike where the receiver blew past Brandon Browner. We couldn't get pressure on an awful Bears OL. It's concerning. I'm psyched for the win, but there's legit reasons to be concerned. Agreed. Disagree
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:39 pm |
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jkitsune wrote: I'm sure you're not using one play where we got a little bit of pressure to excuse the lack of it all game. No, I am using the example that you gave to dispute your faulty claims. Now, if you had used a better example, then you may have me swayed.
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Post subject: Re: Whose fault is the Hawks defensive woes? Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:41 pm |
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I don't think I need to sway you unless you didn't watch the game.
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