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 Post subject: Russell Wilson: 2nd in QBR since Week 5 behind only Brady
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2nd in the entire NFL behind only Tom Brady in terms of QBR since Week 5. Start Flynn!

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Wilson: 2nd in QBR since Week 2 behind only Brady
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I am checking out advance stats on pro football reference website. Russell Wilson ranks top 10-15 in most categories now but he is #27 When it comes to attempts. That means he is not throwing much compared to other QB's in the league but whenever he is throwing then he is making the most out of those opportunities.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Wilson: 2nd in QBR since Week 2 behind only Brady
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I am checking out advance stats on pro football reference website. Russell Wilson ranks top 10-15 in most categories now but he is #27 When it comes to attempts. That means he is not throwing much compared to other QB's in the league but whenever he is throwing then he is making the most out of those opportunities.


That is basically what the 49ers did with Alex Smith last year and he had a career year. Don't let him throw a lot, but when he does, put him in position to be good.

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The Bears have been holding opposing QB's to like a 60 passer rating, so it'll be interesting to see how Wilson performs against the Bears D. Good test.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Wilson: 2nd in QBR since Week 2 behind only Brady
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He's not in a position to throw a lot because we're not down by a couple of scores in games, forcing us to pass a lot to try and get back into it. He's managing the game well, based on what we're giving him to work with and the situation on the field. This is a great position for a rookie to be in, and this is how they really learn the game.

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The thread title should read "Since Week 5", not week two.

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And yet he averages 186 yards a game.

He's making all the right throws. The safe ones. But at some point this coaching staff needs to take the training wheels off this kid. The fact they're not doing that is odd. Either they don't think he can handle it, or we have some terrible play-calling going on right now.

When you don't play the game to win, you open the door for games like Arizona, Miami, St. Louis and Detroit.

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He's making all the right throws. The safe ones.


While I agree Pete and Bevell need to let Russell throw it more, it's not entirely fair to say ALL they let him do is make the safe throws. Wilson's thrown a ton of long balls, and has 17 TD's.

IMO it's pure arrogance on Carroll's part to try and run the ball so much, when even he admits Wilson is flourishing in the passing game right now. I don't care what the hell happened the last eight games of last year running the ball, this team DOES NOT have the O-Line to run the ball at will..........either Pete will admit it, and let Russell throw it around a little.......or he won't and we'll lose 2-3 more games.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Wilson: 2nd in QBR since Week 2 behind only Brady
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HawkFan72 wrote:
SeahawksFanForever wrote:
I am checking out advance stats on pro football reference website. Russell Wilson ranks top 10-15 in most categories now but he is #27 When it comes to attempts. That means he is not throwing much compared to other QB's in the league but whenever he is throwing then he is making the most out of those opportunities.


That is basically what the 49ers did with Alex Smith last year and he had a career year. Don't let him throw a lot, but when he does, put him in position to be good.

And then they replaced him. Not sure that's a good formula in the long run. We'll see.

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SeahawksFanForever wrote:
I am checking out advance stats on pro football reference website. Russell Wilson ranks top 10-15 in most categories now but he is #27 When it comes to attempts. That means he is not throwing much compared to other QB's in the league but whenever he is throwing then he is making the most out of those opportunities.


That is basically what the 49ers did with Alex Smith last year and he had a career year. Don't let him throw a lot, but when he does, put him in position to be good.

And then they replaced him. Not sure that's a good formula in the long run. We'll see.


Psst, Kaepernick hasn't thrown for any more attempts in a game than Wilson has, really.

He played almost 4 quarters against the Rams and attempted 17 passes.

Full game against the Bears and threw 23. Another full game against the Saints and threw 25. And they ran the ball more times than they threw it in both of those games.

In other words, they haven't changed the formula in any way. They just changed the player.

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Okay, so maybe that pass rush is still an issue. Lather, rinse, repeat.


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 Post subject: Re: Russell Wilson: 2nd in QBR since Week 2 behind only Brady
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HawkFan72 wrote:
SeahawksFanForever wrote:
I am checking out advance stats on pro football reference website. Russell Wilson ranks top 10-15 in most categories now but he is #27 When it comes to attempts. That means he is not throwing much compared to other QB's in the league but whenever he is throwing then he is making the most out of those opportunities.


That is basically what the 49ers did with Alex Smith last year and he had a career year. Don't let him throw a lot, but when he does, put him in position to be good.


I think that IF Pete let Russell throw the ball 40 times a game that Russell would do great. I can't wait to see a game where they let him air it out 40 times.


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"We shouldn't start Russell Wilson because we are wasting this defense.... Flynn would do much better. "

Haven't heard that said in awhile.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Wilson: 2nd in QBR since Week 2 behind only Brady
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IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote:
The thread title should read "Since Week 5", not week two.


Nice catch! I fat-fingered the topic title, but the body text was correct. I fixed the title. Thanks for pointing that out.


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 Post subject: Re: Russell Wilson: 2nd in QBR since Week 2 behind only Brady
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And his escapability is phenomenal - and a key for this offense. I still believe Flynn would be getting KILLED in the pocket this season. Wilson had escaped from so many bad situations, and either ran or thrown it for positive yards.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Wilson: 2nd in QBR since Week 2 behind only Brady
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Jazzhawk wrote:
HawkFan72 wrote:
SeahawksFanForever wrote:
I am checking out advance stats on pro football reference website. Russell Wilson ranks top 10-15 in most categories now but he is #27 When it comes to attempts. That means he is not throwing much compared to other QB's in the league but whenever he is throwing then he is making the most out of those opportunities.


That is basically what the 49ers did with Alex Smith last year and he had a career year. Don't let him throw a lot, but when he does, put him in position to be good.

And then they replaced him. Not sure that's a good formula in the long run. We'll see.


Wilson has thrown as many TDs in 11 games as Smith managed all of last year though


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SeahawksFanForever wrote:
I am checking out advance stats on pro football reference website. Russell Wilson ranks top 10-15 in most categories now but he is #27 When it comes to attempts. That means he is not throwing much compared to other QB's in the league but whenever he is throwing then he is making the most out of those opportunities.


Exactly! He is doing well of what we ask him, but we need to start asking him to do more!


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And yet he averages 186 yards a game.

He's making all the right throws. The safe ones. But at some point this coaching staff needs to take the training wheels off this kid. The fact they're not doing that is odd. Either they don't think he can handle it, or we have some terrible play-calling going on right now.

^This.

Still wondering why we didn't air it out against the dolphins when the run wasn't working (and not picking up/wearing them down as the 3rd quarter progressed). Why stubbornly stick to our "identity" when it's not working?

In 2007 Holmy abandoned the run almost completely and that ended up working out pretty damned well. Got us into the playoffs certainly, and Hass ended up with career stats too (especially in the passing yards category that some love so much - myself I prefer excelling in the TD/INT column).

I'm not in any way advocating abandoning the run (Pro-Bowl 2nd or 3rdbest RB in the league anyone?), but c'mon Pete, it all ends up with what friggin works!

This echoes sentiments brought up by Pehawk in another thread, are we at times squandering our best asset? And being way way too predictable?

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Sgt. Largent wrote:
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He's making all the right throws. The safe ones.


While I agree Pete and Bevell need to let Russell throw it more, it's not entirely fair to say ALL they let him do is make the safe throws. Wilson's thrown a ton of long balls, and has 17 TD's.



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offenses need more dynamics if they expect to win in more ways than one...

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Wilson: 2nd in QBR since Week 5 behind only Brady
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To bad all this wondrous stat stuff hasn't translated into more wins.

I'm with the side that thinks the only stats that count are wins/losses. All the rest are merely things for fans to do with the wasted time between games.

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To bad all this wondrous stat stuff hasn't translated into more wins.

I'm with the side that thinks the only stats that count are wins/losses. All the rest are merely things for fans to do with the wasted time between games.

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Wondered how long it would be until someone posted a version of this sentiment.

Wins are a team result. They require everyone to step up. And one way to see who is stepping up and playing well is - gasp - to look at the statistics they generate.

And I know this is blasphemous to some around here, but it's possible to want the team to win more WHILE AT THE SAME TIME being excited about how well our rookie QB is playing.

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Okay, so maybe that pass rush is still an issue. Lather, rinse, repeat.


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