He placed 2nd to Jerome Bettis... but it was all downhill from there.

I was so bummed at the time. He totally lost his confidence.

At least we parlayed Mirer and a 4th round pick (in 1997) in a trade with the Bears to move up in the '97 draft and select Shawn Springs, 3rd pick overall.

EDITED: to correct my misstatement that Mirer won OROY in first rookie season. He placed 2nd.

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But that's kinda my point about hindsight. Mirer was obviously seen as value for the pick at the time, and his first season would appear to back that up. Curry was seen as good value for a top-5 pick by pretty much everyone. That he disappointed was unfortunate, but I still wouldn't call it a bad move by the FO. He wasn't a reach, and we had a need at the position after losing Peterson.

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And we all know Behring's motives now in retrospect (ie tanking the team to pave the way for moving to LA), so not bad judgement on his part but intentional perhaps? (I don't know a whole lot about that era).

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This is without a doubt my favorite thing about Wilson. You can actually seei him improving. Too quick to leave the pocket? Fixed. Always goes right instead of forward? Fixed. Putting the balls too high? Fixed. Playing poorly on 3rd down? Fixed. Not hitting the routes on time? As of last week, apparently fixed.

Behring was a Jerry Jones type, he thought his business acumen made him a smart about how to run a football franchise. The problem with Behring was he made his millions as a sleazy used car lot owner, so that's pretty much how he ran the team..........dysfunctional and on the cheap.

Not sure if all this played into your moving the team motive. My guess is he wasn't bright enough to think this way, but I wouldn't put it past his sleazy ass.

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I went to look up number of dropped passes by Jets 2009 vs Seahawks. I didn't find the team stats but I found the site below with more stuff broken down than I ever imagined. Pretty neat

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/index.asp

For instance qb rating 1st half - RW number 6th, qb rating 2nd half RW doesnt make the top 20........ wow but then lets break it down further lets look at 4th quarter RW is 13th in the NFL so clearly he just sucks in the 3rd quarter

I realize these stats are over the whole season. I just liked all the different things one could break it down on

When the Hawks took Mirer #2, he was right there with Drew Bledsoe who went #1. Had the Hawks had #1 and taken Bledsoe, the Pats would've gone with Mirer. It was one of those years where the top 2 picks are already known. Like Manning/Leaf or Luck/RG3. So you can't really give the Hawks any grief for Mirer.

McGwire on the other hand was a total flub on Ken Behring's part. The old wives tale is that Chuck Knox absolutely hated the pick, and if the Hawks were going to go qb, prefered Brett Favre, who ended up going to the Falcons in the 2nd round. The only thing I'll say about the McGwire pick is that he was taken 16 overall. Not exactly the colossal bust of top 5 picks like Mirer and Curry. But definitely in the next level.

Dirty Sanchez sucks and is severely overpaid. I hope he and Wilson are nothing alike!

I'll say this. Wilson as a rookie is better than Sanchez is now in his 4th year.

Here are Sanchez completion % year by year:

2009: 53.8
2010: 54.8
2011: 56.7
2012: 52.9

Wilson's % is currently 62. And that includes the first handful of subpar games and all the drops in the SF game.

Wilson only seems to get better as the season goes on. And as Sando said, Sanchez regressed as his rookie season went on. And has regressed/stagnated the following years to come. Not surprising given Sanchez left after 1 year of playing and Wilson worked on his game his entire collage career.

I've heard from people that were there that the fight was on and is what ultimately cost Chuck his job. He wanted Favre, but Behring wanted McGwire because he felt he was marketable being Mark's brother and being from SDSU (so the SoCal fans knew him well). Behring was hellbent on moving.

The Mirer pick was a foregone conclusion. The Pats tanked a game and should have been busted by the league, but it didn't happen. They completely threw a game to assure they got Bledsoe. It wasn't a 1 and 1a kind of situation. It was clearly #1 was Bledsoe and Mirer was the #2 QB and we needed a QB. If we didn't need a QB Mirer could have dropped. I don't think anybody would have traded up for him. He had some issues in college and teams felt he was somewhat of a character risk due to his behavior (basically just spoiled brat stuff... but it was a flag for some teams).

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Yes, Pete took a lot of heat for that. He was quite vocal about the fact that he felt Mark didn't have enough experience to go to the NFL. I believe he even indicated that history and stats and such showed that it was a very high risk move, and that guys who came out early without many starts usually ended up not succeeding.

A lot of guys in the press said that Pete was just being self-serving, trying to keep his starting quarterback another year. But Pete said he was doing it to try and convince Mark to stay for his own good, and also to try and pass that message along to other young guys who might be inclined to make the same decision that Mark was making.

Rumor has it that Mark's own family tried to convince him to stay another year as well. But Mark had been at USC for four years, was ready to graduate and wanted to chase his NFL dreams.

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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-o ... l/20887987

Don't be fooled into thinking Pete wanting Sanchez to stay for his senior season was purely for Sanchez's best interest. I'm sure it was more like 20% Sanchez's best interest, 80% wanting a NFL caliber senior QB and not having to start a freshman QB.

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When sc85 speaks to pete's thoughts, I'm pretty confident they are on the money. It's kinda obvious isn't it? Stop thinking about what to say next for a moment and you might learn a thing or two.

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Sorry, I thought I was allowed to have my own opinion. Can you write me a list of people I'm suppose to agree with on here so I don't make the same mistake again? Thanks in advance.

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Ofcourse I wish we would have Taken Clay Matthews , but while i am being completly realistic Mora was going to Draft either Sanchez , Curry or Crabtree.

I was happy with the Curry pick and still am , we didnt have to deal with a prima dona , or think that we had a QB of the future that could set ur franchise back years.

Of course you can have your own opinion. I can also tell you that in my opinion your opinion is wrong while trying be helpful and point something obvious out for you. You are free to accept or ignore my input. No need to take it personally.

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I appreciate the vote of confidence. However, I will say that while I feel like I have a pretty good sense of Pete from having chatted (very briefly) with him a couple of times, as well as reading extensively and following him at both USC and in Seattle, this does not mean that I'm a mind reader. LOL

I do believe that Pete was doing what he felt was in Mark's best interest as well as USC's. He was very consistent over the years of telling guys they generally should not leave early unless they were pretty much guaranteed to be drafted #1 at their position. Knowing that, combined with what Pete said about Mark at the time, has lead me to feel that he really was concerned that Mark wasn't making the best decision for himself if he wanted to have a long-term successful NFL career.

Obviously Pete would also have preferred to have his starting QB back for another year. But I've never had the sense that that is the only reason for his reaction--in spite of what some in the media stated at the time.

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Here's another article about Pete and Mark and what happened then, and also how Mark's experience has impacted how Pete has handled Russell this season.
http://online.wsj.com/article/AP77e5a29 ... 703a9.html

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