QBs in the league since week 5.
ESPN’s combined QB rating figures since Week 5:
1. Peyton Manning 89.2
2. Eli Manning 83.9
3. Aaron Rodgers 83.8
4. Tom Brady 81.8
5. Drew Brees 79.6
6. Russell Wilson 77.1
Aros wrote:Screw that! It's not enough!! I want Flynn!!
ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.
Hasselbeck wrote:He's definitely improved quite a bit from the Rams game.. the game against SF should have been his best but dropsies got in the way.
The game last week, I still firmly believe there were a couple throws he should have made that more than likely change the outcome of the game.
All in all though.. his last 4 compared to his first 4, much better. Hope it continues..
FlyingGreg wrote:Biggest thing I've noticed with him is his much improved pocket presence and decision making. That and the coaches opening it up a bit is paying dividends.
He still needs to work on not bailing to the right so much and seeing the field better as a whole, but the kid is MONEY when it comes to self assessment, learning from his mistakes and improving. Imagine what would happen if we elevated the WR/TE talent.
Oh yeah, remember all that talk about him being too short?? He's had all of four passes batted down this season. FOUR.
If you can snag a franchise QB in the 3rd round of a draft, it's huge. And I think we have.
hawksfan515 wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:Biggest thing I've noticed with him is his much improved pocket presence and decision making. That and the coaches opening it up a bit is paying dividends.
He still needs to work on not bailing to the right so much and seeing the field better as a whole, but the kid is MONEY when it comes to self assessment, learning from his mistakes and improving. Imagine what would happen if we elevated the WR/TE talent.
Oh yeah, remember all that talk about him being too short?? He's had all of four passes batted down this season. FOUR.
If you can snag a franchise QB in the 3rd round of a draft, it's huge. And I think we have.
How does he not see the whole field? I don't think it's a problem at all. Constantly bailing to the right though is pretty bad. Didn't Vick do awesome his first few starts for the eagles until opposing defenses kept him in the pocket? A tad worried...
hawksfan515 wrote:Hasselbeck wrote:He's definitely improved quite a bit from the Rams game.. the game against SF should have been his best but dropsies got in the way.
The game last week, I still firmly believe there were a couple throws he should have made that more than likely change the outcome of the game.
All in all though.. his last 4 compared to his first 4, much better. Hope it continues..
Ehhh.... The first half of SF was probably his best ever, but his second half was bad. I still think in Detroit he didn't leave anything on the field.
Missing_Clink wrote:why is matt ryan not on that list?
Aros wrote:Screw that! It's not enough!! I want Flynn!!
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
hawkfan1975 wrote:I'm sorry...I really want to appreciate the RW congratulatory freakouts, but cannot (yet). Last week we played a 22 rated D and we put up minimal again.
All this "but he's getting better" stuff, it's appreciated of course but I just see a low ceiling here. Can we at least let a rook complete his first year, to be fair?
I know many will read this as "RW 'hate'. Go ahead (simple minds). The truth is he's having a rather ho-hum year and there's just such a long way to go with this rook. I'm sorry to say I want this organization to obtain a serious QBOTF behind center to be feared. For some reason something keeps telling me RW ain't it (although not bad)...but also...that we will soon see one who will come to this organization and taking control to make D's PAY!!
This is NOT RW hate, that's all I can say.
hawkfan1975 wrote:I'm sorry...I really want to appreciate the RW congratulatory freakouts, but cannot (yet). Last week we played a 22 rated D and we put up minimal again.
All this "but he's getting better" stuff, it's appreciated of course but I just see a low ceiling here. Can we at least let a rook complete his first year, to be fair?
I know many will read this as "RW 'hate'. Go ahead (simple minds). The truth is he's having a rather ho-hum year and there's just such a long way to go with this rook. I'm sorry to say I want this organization to obtain a serious QBOTF behind center to be feared. For some reason something keeps telling me RW ain't it (although not bad)...but also...that we will soon see one who will come to this organization and taking control to make D's PAY!!
This is NOT RW hate, that's all I can say.
Hawkadeus wrote:
Don't read that as RW hate. But I do not agree with you.
You need to look past stats when evaluating a qb's play. Especially a rookie who is learning the ropes on the fly. You sir are doing exactly what you accuse others of. Judging RW based off stats and looking for immediate results and peak potential, and ignoring all the surrounding factors (supporting cast, conservative offensive playcalling, etc), THAT is a simple mind.
hawker84 wrote:wilson throws for 300 + sunday, bound to happen, might as well be against a weak secondary and passrush...
ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.
hawkfan1975 wrote:Hawkadeus wrote:
Don't read that as RW hate. But I do not agree with you.
You need to look past stats when evaluating a qb's play. Especially a rookie who is learning the ropes on the fly. You sir are doing exactly what you accuse others of. Judging RW based off stats and looking for immediate results and peak potential, and ignoring all the surrounding factors (supporting cast, conservative offensive playcalling, etc), THAT is a simple mind.
Well no, not really. I'm basing it on points (which would equate to some prior wins), errant throws vs. solid throws, inability (right now) to hit the checkdowns necessary to make D's PAY all day long, short and mid-field hit or miss, floating long bombs (although being fair he'sALSO had some beauties mixed in, but along with ones that were miracle take downs on the other end to eek a win).
The type of QB I'm talking about is one who has a grasp on the above a bit more out the gate (and yes, who knows what will click and when?...it "could" be RW. I will give you that). I'm not talking about stats really at all.
Just as long as you understand this is NOT RW 'hate'. No games here, just want a very competitive hawks organization.
hawkfan1975 wrote:I'm sorry...I really want to appreciate the RW congratulatory freakouts, but cannot (yet). Last week we played a 22 rated D and we put up minimal again.
All this "but he's getting better" stuff, it's appreciated of course but I just see a low ceiling here. Can we at least let a rook complete his first year, to be fair?
I know many will read this as "RW 'hate'. Go ahead (simple minds). The truth is he's having a rather ho-hum year and there's just such a long way to go with this rook. I'm sorry to say I want this organization to obtain a serious QBOTF behind center to be feared. For some reason something keeps telling me RW ain't it (although not bad)...but also...that we will soon see one who will come to this organization and taking control to make D's PAY!!
This is NOT RW hate, that's all I can say.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
hawkfan1975 wrote:Well no, not really. I'm basing it on points (which would equate to some prior wins), errant throws vs. solid throws, inability (right now) to hit the checkdowns necessary to make D's PAY all day long, short and mid-field hit or miss, floating long bombs (although being fair he'sALSO had some beauties mixed in, but along with ones that were miracle take downs on the other end to eek a win).
Just as long as you understand this is NOT RW 'hate'. No games here, just want a very competitive hawks organization.
pehawk wrote:hawkfan1975 wrote:Well no, not really. I'm basing it on points (which would equate to some prior wins), errant throws vs. solid throws, inability (right now) to hit the checkdowns necessary to make D's PAY all day long, short and mid-field hit or miss, floating long bombs (although being fair he'sALSO had some beauties mixed in, but along with ones that were miracle take downs on the other end to eek a win).
Just as long as you understand this is NOT RW 'hate'. No games here, just want a very competitive hawks organization.
Okay, I am ALL giddy like a 12yo with Beiber fever over Wilson, but the bold is a good point. The best valid criticism I've read so far. Fair point.
Hawkadeus wrote:pehawk wrote:hawkfan1975 wrote:Well no, not really. I'm basing it on points (which would equate to some prior wins), errant throws vs. solid throws, inability (right now) to hit the checkdowns necessary to make D's PAY all day long, short and mid-field hit or miss, floating long bombs (although being fair he'sALSO had some beauties mixed in, but along with ones that were miracle take downs on the other end to eek a win).
Just as long as you understand this is NOT RW 'hate'. No games here, just want a very competitive hawks organization.
Okay, I am ALL giddy like a 12yo with Beiber fever over Wilson, but the bold is a good point. The best valid criticism I've read so far. Fair point.
A rookie qb beyond valid criticisms I've never seen. These things are understandable and realistic. Expecting perfection is not. I got no prob with us pointing out the ares where RW neesd to improve. Pointing them out as some sort of inherent, impossible to overcome, flaws, as posters such as Hasselbeck, feel the need, is just wrong, and stupid, and ignorant. Sorry RW isn't a 6'5" 1st round pick with perceived unlimited potential. He's still able to improve, Flynnicists. Sorry.
I'm with pehawk. This kid is special. Anyone who thinks otherwise, keep it up. Join Hasselbeck and cement your Flynnicism and forever be remembered for your stubbornness. I will be be remembered.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
Hawkadeus wrote:hawkfan1975 wrote:I'm sorry...I really want to appreciate the RW congratulatory freakouts, but cannot (yet). Last week we played a 22 rated D and we put up minimal again.
All this "but he's getting better" stuff, it's appreciated of course but I just see a low ceiling here. Can we at least let a rook complete his first year, to be fair?
I know many will read this as "RW 'hate'. Go ahead (simple minds). The truth is he's having a rather ho-hum year and there's just such a long way to go with this rook. I'm sorry to say I want this organization to obtain a serious QBOTF behind center to be feared. For some reason something keeps telling me RW ain't it (although not bad)...but also...that we will soon see one who will come to this organization and taking control to make D's PAY!!
This is NOT RW hate, that's all I can say.
Don't read that as RW hate. But I do not agree with you.
You need to look past stats when evaluating a qb's play. Especially a rookie who is learning the ropes on the fly. You sir are doing exactly what you accuse others of. Judging RW based off stats and looking for immediate results and peak potential, and ignoring all the surrounding factors (supporting cast, conservative offensive playcalling, etc), THAT is a simple mind.
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