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 Post subject: It's Pete time...
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It's on him now, he needs to right this, and soon.

Even before the offense took steps forwards against NE, the offense could always; run the ball, hit any pattern, could throw long WELL. The defense has the players and tools to play well. Plus, this team ALWAYS plays hard, in every facet of the game.

Playing hard usually will beat the likes of Detroit. The talent differential should've beaten the Rams. And, the offense seemed uninterested in winning the SF game (based on poor execution).

I look at a team like Miami, with SO much less, seemingly playing better and just as hard. And, they're winning, ON THE ROAD. So, for all the excuses of how better it is, how much brilliance Pete has shown putting this together, there's no more excuses for not winning.

Yesterday really pissed me off. That's a mentally soft team the Seahawks lost to. The perfect type of learning road win this teams NEEDS to get.

I'm appreciative of Pete. But, there's no more room for losses.


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Somehow, I just can't agree that a team which is one of the best (league leader, even?) at scoring 4th quarter points is mentally soft.

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Regardless, Sarlacc, pe is correct. This team has underperformed grossly. That is on the head coach.

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Ask Earl Thomas. He stated paraphrasing; they could've/should've jumped on them early it would've been a blowout. I'm not the only one who thinks Detroit will cave if bad things occur early.


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Perhaps, but we still NEEDED to win this game and fell short. The defense has been pretty much propping the team up and could be excused for one bad performance. Bummer that it happened when our Offense finally showed signs of life. Onward...


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3rd and 11 giving up a bomb to Titus Young was backbreaking. We were dominating the game and in one play it's a 17-14 game again.

Agree with pe.. I love Pete, but all these brain farts reflect on coaching.

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This has always been the knock on Carroll, even going back to his first coaching jobs in NE and NY........someone with a great defensive mind, but below average on the offensive side of the ball.

I won't lie, he kicked ass at USC, but the main reason was because he had superior talent than everyone else. So he could get by on vanilla schemes and game plans and still win because he had superior talent. Well that's the the case in a parity league like the NFL. Teams that succeed are the teams that have coaches and coordinators that know how to scheme, put together game plans and motivate their players.

Carroll certainly has the ability to motivate, but I'm not sold on his ability to succeed on the offensive side of the ball, OR the ability to out scheme his opposition.

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We could be 8-0 or 1-7 right now. We play a style of football wrought with mistakes from any and every direction in any given game. We rely too much on dramatic and fortunate endings to expect to go 6-2 from here on out. It's possible, sure. And so, I will hope for it. But I'm not going to expect us to suddenly begin to take control of games and if that doesn't happen 6-2 or better from here on out is a pipe dream.

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The tone in the press conferences smacked of; we needed to slit their throat in the first half and they'd wilt. Yes, the Lions get a lot of 4th quarter points because they play half-hearted. By definition, you CAN slaughter those types of teams. See 2010 Seahawks, or most Holmgren Seahawks.

Quit kidding yourself into acceptance. That was inexcusable – and read the teams quotes – they know it too.

The big and real fear is the players eventually tuning out. They play hard, can run, stop the run, throw, connect deep AND they’re still losing. Give any of those qualities to; McCarthy, Fox, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Coughlin and they’d JUST WIN.

At some point players may tune out if they have zero to show for it.


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Nice to see some posters I respect reading the same tea leaves... it's beyond fair to turn the light on Carroll right now -- after 3 drafts and 41 games into his regime.

Perhaps a lot of us over-estimated how good we would be this season?

I still see us winning 9 games (MAYBE 10 if we can solve the road bugaboo), and who knows - we might find a way to snag a playoff berth.

The furture is bright. The sky is NOT falling. The frustration stems from not correcting things that are costing us games, regardless of whether we "should have" won or not - they were right there for the taking (each loss this season fits into that category).

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Just my opinion I know but, PC needs to just STFU, take the reins off Bevel and the offense and turn it loose. He also needs to trust Bradley and turn him loose.

Jest keep guys motivated and in the game PC, and quit micro-managing. Hire the best people available and let them do their job!


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Ask Earl Thomas. He stated paraphrasing; they could've/should've jumped on them early it would've been a blowout. I'm not the only one who thinks Detroit will cave if bad things occur early.


We were up 17-7 if that isn't jumping on them then what is. We had them right where you said they would fold and they didn't. WE did, and on defense, not offense.

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17-7 isn't exactly insurmountable at home.

But, okay, I was wrong. As we're the team, who felt similarly, and national outlets like PFT and Mortenson. Feel better?

Shouldn't you be ripping off someone's thread idea like "look a likes", "Pete's Pressers", etc? Maybe you can beat Thunder to the punch on the enemy forum posting? Or Moses' haikus? There's got to be something you can do while we discuss football?

Anyways, this loss hurts in a lot of ways. That's a "good" team which could've been had. Would've been a perfect stepping stone.


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Yesterday was the first game I really took notice of PC being outcoached and outschemed. I've seen it before, but made excuses for it, and even though, I'm not even heartbroken over the loss, it worries me that the coaches have shown an inability to be creative and change things in game.

Last season, and even earlier this season, PC was great at halftime adjustments but I just haven't seen it in several games.


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One thing Pete will have going for him, and we've begun to see it over the past few weeks, is a dynamic "tilt the field" type QB.

I'm not going to play it safe with my expectations of Wilson, I think he's going to be a Rogers, Manning, Brady, Brees type. Heaven help whoever's lined up across from Wilson once he reaches the playoffs, because he's going to own it.

Wilson will end up masking all of Pete's aforementioned offensive flaws, soon.


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Best thread about this loss.


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One thing Pete will have going for him, and we've begun to see it over the past few weeks, is a dynamic "tilt the field" type QB.

I'm not going to play it safe with my expectations of Wilson, I think he's going to be a Rogers, Manning, Brady, Brees type. Heaven help whoever's lined up across from Wilson once he reaches the playoffs, because he's going to own it.

Wilson will end up masking all of Pete's aforementioned offensive flaws, soon.


I don't think that's farfetched at all. The kid looks like a veteran out there, and nothing seems to rattle him. I'm just glad we don't have Cutler, Romo, or even Rivers. Now those guys are veterans that continuously make rookie mistakes.


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Shouldn't you be ripping off someone's thread idea like "look a likes", "Pete's Pressers", etc? Maybe you can beat Thunder to the punch on the enemy forum posting? Or Moses' haikus? There's got to be something you can do while we discuss football?


I was discussing football Mr. holierthanthou. And maybe I'll just not post so your quaaluud eating ass will be happy.

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This has always been the knock on Carroll, even going back to his first coaching jobs in NE and NY........someone with a great defensive mind, but below average on the offensive side of the ball.

I won't lie, he kicked ass at USC, but the main reason was because he had superior talent than everyone else. So he could get by on vanilla schemes and game plans and still win because he had superior talent. Well that's the the case in a parity league like the NFL. Teams that succeed are the teams that have coaches and coordinators that know how to scheme, put together game plans and motivate their players.

Carroll certainly has the ability to motivate, but I'm not sold on his ability to succeed on the offensive side of the ball, OR the ability to out scheme his opposition.


As a die-hard Trojans fan, I have a slight bias with Pete.. he brought that program up and kept them on top of college football for a long long time.. but the USC program was almost like the Braves in the 90's - all the time USC would come out and completely play down to an inferior opponent.. ultimately screwing themselves out of a championship.

Pete Carroll is a great coach, but for some reason.. his players have a tendency to just flat out underachieve. We've seen it already 3 times this year.. we should have beat the Cardinals, we should have beat the Rams, and we should have beat the Lions yesterday.

At some point, this allure Pete has will wear off if these moments don't stop happening.

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Qualuds? You have a time machine?

Seemed like you joined to point out I was wrong over anything else.

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It's on him now, he needs to right this, and soon.

Even before the offense took steps forwards against NE, the offense could always; run the ball, hit any pattern, could throw long WELL. The defense has the players and tools to play well. Plus, this team ALWAYS plays hard, in every facet of the game.

Playing hard usually will beat the likes of Detroit. The talent differential should've beaten the Rams. And, the offense seemed uninterested in winning the SF game (based on poor execution).

I look at a team like Miami, with SO much less, seemingly playing better and just as hard. And, they're winning, ON THE ROAD. So, for all the excuses of how better it is, how much brilliance Pete has shown putting this together, there's no more excuses for not winning.

Yesterday really pissed me off. That's a mentally soft team the Seahawks lost to. The perfect type of learning road win this teams NEEDS to get.

I'm appreciative of Pete. But, there's no more room for losses.


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Somehow, I just can't agree that a team which is one of the best (league leader, even?) at scoring 4th quarter points is mentally soft.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Hawks are averaging 5.5 points per game in the 4th quarter. Good for 22nd in the NFL. We're really bad in the 2nd quarter (31st).

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/4t ... s-per-game

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The 3rd and 11 play at 17-7 was key for me. I remember watching that thinking... 'get a stop here and get the ball back'. You start to consider a 20-7 or even 24-7 lead. And bang. One play and it's a three point game. That was a killer. I'm not sure how much of that was on Pete though or Gus Bradley and the players. Likewise the draw play that potentially cost us three points at the end of the first half. Is that Pete or Bevell/Cable?

Overall though it's hard to complain too much right now. I remember the road games where it was over at half time. If we'd have won all our road games so far, not sure anyone would've batted an eye lid. We're getting there.


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Ask Earl Thomas. He stated paraphrasing; they could've/should've jumped on them early it would've been a blowout. I'm not the only one who thinks Detroit will cave if bad things occur early.


We were up 17-7 if that isn't jumping on them then what is. We had them right where you said they would fold and they didn't. WE did, and on defense, not offense.


Even if people agree that Detroit didn't fold like some thought, the fact is that Carroll went into "super conservative mode" with a lead, just like he always does.........as opposed to what GOOD teams do with a 17-7 lead, go for the jugular.

Is it cause he still doesn't trust Wilson to not make mistakes? Is it that he thinks his defense is so good that they should be able to hold this sort of a lead? Not sure, only Carroll can answer these questions.

But it pisses me off that when this team has a lead they go through long conservative stretches of the game (usually the 2nd and 3rd quarters) where they don't step on the other team's throat. It's a loser mentality, and it has to stop.

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Somehow, I just can't agree that a team which is one of the best (league leader, even?) at scoring 4th quarter points is mentally soft.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Hawks are averaging 5.5 points per game in the 4th quarter. Good for 22nd in the NFL. We're really bad in the 2nd quarter (31st).

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/4t ... s-per-game


I may be missing something, but I think he was saying the Lions are the league leader in 4th quarter scoring?

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The 3rd and 11 play at 17-7 was key for me. I remember watching that thinking... 'get a stop here and get the ball back'. You start to consider a 20-7 or even 24-7 lead. And bang. One play and it's a three point game. That was a killer. I'm not sure how much of that was on Pete though or Gus Bradley and the players. Likewise the draw play that potentially cost us three points at the end of the first half. Is that Pete or Bevell/Cable?

Overall though it's hard to complain too much right now. I remember the road games where it was over at half time. If we'd have won all our road games so far, not sure anyone would've batted an eye lid. We're getting there.



I agree with this fully.

I feel as though this team is on the verge of consistently winning. We still have mostly 2, and 3rd year players on this roster. The game hasn't slowed down for everyone yet. A lot of the plays that we got killed on were do to over pursuit on Defense and simply being behind a step. Small nuances that 2nd and 3rd year players are just starting to learn. Even our O-line which now has only played 5 games together is starting to come around and play on each others level.

Pete started from Scratch, 3 years ago. He has hedged his bets knowing that a Defense and running game typically develops faster than a passing game, a passing game which they haven't even started to build around yet, and we still are competitive. These have been some of the funnest games to watch, and that I giv Pete total props for.

We just haven't clicked yet, maybe we will this year, maybe we wont. I would bet though that given the progression we have seen, its going to be happening, and fast.


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It's on him now, he needs to right this, and soon.

Even before the offense took steps forwards against NE, the offense could always; run the ball, hit any pattern, could throw long WELL. The defense has the players and tools to play well. Plus, this team ALWAYS plays hard, in every facet of the game.

Playing hard usually will beat the likes of Detroit. The talent differential should've beaten the Rams. And, the offense seemed uninterested in winning the SF game (based on poor execution).

I look at a team like Miami, with SO much less, seemingly playing better and just as hard. And, they're winning, ON THE ROAD. So, for all the excuses of how better it is, how much brilliance Pete has shown putting this together, there's no more excuses for not winning.

Yesterday really pissed me off. That's a mentally soft team the Seahawks lost to. The perfect type of learning road win this teams NEEDS to get.

I'm appreciative of Pete. But, there's no more room for losses.


I also have to agree with you on this one. It just pisses me off how we can be out coached in games we should be able to easily win. I really like PC, but he needs to do a reality check on himself. I personally think he needs to really good and experienced coordinators working for him that really know how to scheme against opponents both before and especially during games.

If this keeps up I do see him on a very hot seat after next year. Even Paul Allen can see that there is something wrong by now.


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The 3rd and 11 play at 17-7 was key for me. I remember watching that thinking... 'get a stop here and get the ball back'. You start to consider a 20-7 or even 24-7 lead. And bang. One play and it's a three point game. That was a killer. I'm not sure how much of that was on Pete though or Gus Bradley and the players. Likewise the draw play that potentially cost us three points at the end of the first half. Is that Pete or Bevell/Cable?

Overall though it's hard to complain too much right now. I remember the road games where it was over at half time. If we'd have won all our road games so far, not sure anyone would've batted an eye lid. We're getting there.



I agree with this fully.

I feel as though this team is on the verge of consistently winning. We still have mostly 2, and 3rd year players on this roster. The game hasn't slowed down for everyone yet. A lot of the plays that we got killed on were do to over pursuit on Defense and simply being behind a step. Small nuances that 2nd and 3rd year players are just starting to learn. Even our O-line which now has only played 5 games together is starting to come around and play on each others level.

Pete started from Scratch, 3 years ago. He has hedged his bets knowing that a Defense and running game typically develops faster than a passing game, a passing game which they haven't even started to build around yet, and we still are competitive. These have been some of the funnest games to watch, and that I giv Pete total props for.

We just haven't clicked yet, maybe we will this year, maybe we wont. I would bet though that given the progression we have seen, its going to be happening, and fast.


Amen brothers. Thanks for not being nancies.

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Somehow, I just can't agree that a team which is one of the best (league leader, even?) at scoring 4th quarter points is mentally soft.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Hawks are averaging 5.5 points per game in the 4th quarter. Good for 22nd in the NFL. We're really bad in the 2nd quarter (31st).

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/4t ... s-per-game


I may be missing something, but I think he was saying the Lions are the league leader in 4th quarter scoring?


This is correct and the provided link bears it out.

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Why haven't they clicked, is my question? The Bronco's clicked, a year after sucking, with the worst QB ever known, while devising new offensive and defensive schemes through the season. This year and last.

The Dolphins this year are doing more with less. They're younger and less talented - in vastly different systems.

And it still doesn't change the point that the coaches I mentioned would be winning, period. Lynch topped 100 in SF, Stl and now Detroit, but they're all losses.


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Pete turned the 2009 Seahawks team into the team you see today, that he claims is still on year 3 out of 4, and people STILL want to throw him under the bus? Even worse, were blaming our offense when they had probably their best game of the year, and it was our DEFENSE that failed to stop the Lions offense TWICE on 3rd down in the redzone with less than a minute left?

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Pete turned the 2009 Seahawks team into the team you see today


Improvement doesn't count until it shows up in the wins and loss column. Pete's first year he went 4-4 in the first eight games. This year, same thing.

Do I think Carroll's infused this team with great young talent? Yes. But like I said, that's all window dressing until it results in wins..........and so far this year, it hasn't.

Btw, people forget that Carroll is the 2nd highest paid coach in the NFL, only 500k less than Belichick. Do you think he's worth it? If I'm Paul Allen and I'm paying my coach $7,000,000 a year in his 3rd year, I better damn well be seeing some results by now.

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Pete turned the 2009 Seahawks team into the team you see today, that he claims is still on year 3 out of 4, and people STILL want to throw him under the bus? Even worse, were blaming our offense when they had probably their best game of the year, and it was our DEFENSE that failed to stop the Lions offense TWICE on 3rd down in the redzone with less than a minute left?

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Nobody is throwing him under the bus. At least not the OP. He's saying you built this team, now win with it. Seems fair to me. No, he didn't walk into a Harbaugh situation, but he has that much talent NOW. So he should be beating 2-4 teams. Simple as that.

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If I'm Paul Allen and I'm paying my coach $7,000,000 a year in his 3rd year, I better damn well be seeing some results by now.

Even though He and JS have brought in ridiculous amounts of cheap, young talent resulting in us being one of the youngest, most physical up and comers of the NFL? If thats not enough to make you believe PC&JS when they say this is a 4 year plan, probably nothing will.

Idk about you, but I do NOT want some other coach coming in here and f***ing this thing we have going here up.


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Why haven't they clicked, is my question? The Bronco's clicked, a year after sucking, with the worst QB ever known, while devising new offensive and defensive schemes through the season. This year and last.

The Dolphins this year are doing more with less. They're younger and less talented - in vastly different systems.

And it still doesn't change the point that the coaches I mentioned would be winning, period. Lynch topped 100 in SF, Stl and now Detroit, but they're all losses.


From where I stand, the reason the hawks have instantly clicked is because we are being built for long term success..We are almost there, we just have to let the team mature. There is only so much that Pete can do. It seems like Pete and company are good talent evaluators, and I am guessing that they probably have a very good grip on what our team can and can't do. Im pretty sure that gameplanning is done in line with understanding of what our team is and isn't good at. We have been in everygame, and every game has looked almost the same. Ever notice that? We have been the controllers of the tempo. That is all Pete's doing, and save for one or two plays swinging the wrong way in losses we could have won every game.

That is a far cry from being blown out by 20 or 30 points most everygame. That is progression.

Bottom line, once the offense starts showing maturity its going to be hard to beat us, and we will start having those 20 to 30 point wins.

It just takes time.


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I am going to go on the record and say 90% of the fans (and a higher percentage here) want nothing of the sort (switching up head coaches). They just want to see Pete perform as a coach as he is capable of and that his players turn the corner.... just as he did in his 3rd year at USC. You saw a real significant transformation. We want to see that similar change happen here. We've got the talent. Let's see it happen.

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I am going to go on the record and say 90% of the fans (and a higher percentage here) want nothing of the sort (switching up head coaches). They just want to see Pete perform as a coach as he is capable of and that his players turn the corner.... just as he did in his 3rd year at USC. You saw a real significant transformation. We want to see that similar change happen here. We've got the talent. Let's see it happen.


Yes, this is what I think.


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Why haven't they clicked, is my question? The Bronco's clicked, a year after sucking, with the worst QB ever known, while devising new offensive and defensive schemes through the season. This year and last.

The Dolphins this year are doing more with less. They're younger and less talented - in vastly different systems.

And it still doesn't change the point that the coaches I mentioned would be winning, period. Lynch topped 100 in SF, Stl and now Detroit, but they're all losses.


From where I stand, the reason the hawks have instantly clicked is because we are being built for long term success..We are almost there, we just have to let the team mature. There is only so much that Pete can do. It seems like Pete and company are good talent evaluators, and I am guessing that they probably have a very good grip on what our team can and can't do. Im pretty sure that gameplanning is done in line with understanding of what our team is and isn't good at. We have been in everygame, and every game and everygame has looked almost the same. Ever notice that? We have been the controllers of the tempo. That is all Pete's doing, and save for one or two plays swinging the wrong way in losses we could have won every game.

That is a far cry from being blown out by 20 or 30 points most everygame. That is progression.

Bottom line, once the offense starts showing maturity its going to be hard to beat us, and we will start having those 20 to 30 point wins.

It just takes time.


GREAT GAWD DAMN POST.

Logically I want to nod yes, emotionally I want to cry and say "but other teams dont have to rebuild!"


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Improvement doesn't count until it shows up in the wins and loss column. Pete's first year he went 4-4 in the first eight games. This year, same thing.


That's a very narrow minded way of looking at things. This team is a damn site better than the 2010 version, and I'd argue the 2011 version too. And that improvement should be celebrated. You don't suddenly wake up one day and become a contender. It can be a slow process. Especially when you have a rookie QB and a lot of young players. To ignore the improvement because the team is 'only' 4-4 at the midway point is OTT.


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I am going to go on the record and say 90% of the fans (and a higher percentage here) want nothing of the sort (switching up head coaches). They just want to see Pete perform as a coach as he is capable of and that his players turn the corner.... just as he did in his 3rd year at USC. You saw a real significant transformation. We want to see that similar change happen here. We've got the talent. Let's see it happen.


I feel like our offense is right at the start of the transformation. Look at week 1 Russel, vs's week 8 Russel. Look at the Offensive line protection. This thing is on the verge, just like our D last year around this time was right on the verge. These losses have been some of the most encouraging losses I can remember in the history of watching the seahawks.


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Lions were 12 of 16 on third down. This has been happening ALL DAMNED SEASON!! Good coaching corrects these types of things. When are you going to get a handle on it Pete? It's been half the season now and NOTHING has changed in this area.
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Pstark3 wrote:
Sgt. Largent wrote:
If I'm Paul Allen and I'm paying my coach $7,000,000 a year in his 3rd year, I better damn well be seeing some results by now.

Even though He and JS have brought in ridiculous amounts of cheap, young talent resulting in us being one of the youngest, most physical up and comers of the NFL? If thats not enough to make you believe PC&JS when they say this is a 4 year plan, probably nothing will.


Don't fool yourself, the Hawks currently only have $7,000,000 of cap space, that's nowhere near the bottom.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... -nfl-teams

New England, Green Bay, Broncos, Vikings and Bengals all have more cap space than us.

Sure Carroll has found some diamonds in the rough in the late draft rounds. But he's also given out HUGE contracts to players like Rice, Miller, Lynch, Mebane, Jones and Clemons.........and guess what, all these "cheap, young talented players" are going to be free agents soon.......and guess what good free agents want? That's right more money. Are all these players going to be around for your 4 year plan?

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Improvement doesn't count until it shows up in the wins and loss column. Pete's first year he went 4-4 in the first eight games. This year, same thing.


That's a very narrow minded way of looking at things. This team is a damn site better than the 2010 version, and I'd argue the 2011 version too. And that improvement should be celebrated. You don't suddenly wake up one day and become a contender. It can be a slow process. Especially when you have a rookie QB and a lot of young players. To ignore the improvement because the team is 'only' 4-4 at the midway point is OTT.


I was going to respond to that bit, but you handled it much more diplomatically than I wanted to. Kudos, English.

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I hope Pete Carroll is not our Mike Singletary.

A coach of a very talented team that can't get them over the hump. Then another guy comes in and wins with the existing talent.

I like Pete. I want him to succeed but there may be the possibility that he is good at building an NFL team more then coaching one.

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I just don't agree with the perception that the Lions are a mentally soft team. We were beaten by a good football team. Simple as that.

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I hope Pete Carroll is not our Mike Singletary.

A coach of a very talented team that can't get them over the hump. Then another guy comes in and wins with the existing talent.


Singletary was in charge of a shambolic mess. He was so unhinged, there was no way he should've ever been given the gig on a full time basis.


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I hope Pete Carroll is not our Mike Singletary.

A coach of a very talented team that can't get them over the hump. Then another guy comes in and wins with the existing talent.


Singletary was in charge of a shambolic mess. He was so unhinged, there was no way he should've ever been given the gig on a full time basis.


I understand that but he was still the coach of a very talented team. It took another coach to get them to perform

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I hope Pete Carroll is not our Mike Singletary.

A coach of a very talented team that can't get them over the hump. Then another guy comes in and wins with the existing talent.


Singletary was in charge of a shambolic mess. He was so unhinged, there was no way he should've ever been given the gig on a full time basis.


I understand that but he was still the coach of a very talented team. It took another coach to get them to perform


A talented team built built with multiple high picks which is now in its prime (and at the risk of falling off because of their age).

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I just don't agree with the perception that the Lions are a mentally soft team. We were beaten by a good football team. Simple as that.


Good football teams don't come into this game 2-4. Simple as that.

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