I think more to the point, and something a few of us have been pointing out repeatedly, is that there are a number of very good quarterbacks on that chart with some incredibly bad starts to their careers. A few games into a rookie season does not define a quarterback, nor does it damn him to inadequacy or mediocrity. Even quarterbacks with very good defenses weren't the best starting out.

The thing to take from watching him is this: he has learned and progressed from every game he's played in. First couple of games he was criticized for overthrowing. That hasn't been a problem at all the last few. He was then criticized for being inefficient in third down conversions. Again made stark improvements after. Then he was criticized for poor play in the red zone and a failure to score touchdowns. He did much better there against New England.

He still has a lot to learn, and I'd guess he'd be the first to tell us that. But he's progressing, and doing so at a pace far better than many imagined he might.

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I suspect a few people are laying low... waiting for the inevitable bad game which almost certainly will come. It could happen on Thursday. He's a rookie and for all the progress he's shown so far, he's probably going to have another Rams game where he throws three picks and struggles a bit. It's all part of the process. But as Sailor notes above, the fact he's learning from mistakes and making clear improvements validates why he's starting. He wouldn't be learning anything sat on the sidelines. And the learning process hasn't hampered the teams ability to win four games against teams like New England, Green Bay and Dallas. So even if certain people return to crow after Wilson's next bad game... more fool them.

Honi soit qui mal y pense. Right, Rob?

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No shame here, peaches. I think Hawkadeus has a point.

That's what I meant. Shame on those who think ill of Wilson after he has an inevitable bad game this season. He's a rookie, and he's doing very well do far.

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Ah right... I've got you.

That's an almost-understandable byproduct of rookiedom. If Peyton Manning shows a bad day to his fans, they don't care. He's proven that he can come back.

If Russell Wilson shows a bad day to HIS fans, all anxious and on tenterhooks in regard to his potential, it's not just a bad day but a possible indictment on his future. Add Matt Flynn to the mix, and you realize that Wilson was never gonna get a fair shake until he threw a stat line like Sunday's.

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If you had a sense for context, and any kind of knowledge about who actually knows whom in this community, you'd realize how utterly ignorant you come across in this post. Stick to regurgitating Danny O'Neil articles.

Still, honi soit qui mal Russell Wilson pense. there.

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Ahh, I see. So, you're saying depending on who you are and who you know on this forum, one can be a giant troll to his fellow fans with zero recourse? Sorry, gents. Not falling for your cool kids club bullying. No matter how much you team up against me with veiled threats and arogant superiority. Stick to trolling the forum with obnoxious schtick, er, I mean "humor".

Ahh, I see. So, you're saying depending on who you are and who you know on this forum, one can be a giant troll to his fellow fans with zero recourse? Sorry, gents. Not falling for your cool kids club bullying. No matter how much you team up against me with veiled threats and arogant superiority. Stick to trolling the forum with obnoxious schtick, er, I mean "humor".[/quote]

Who threatened you?

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Sorry Techworlds. But MysterMatt's post was the equivalent of the head cheerleader taking the new girl aside and telling her "know your role". And your silly "this" was akin to her best friend yelling "you heard!" Maybe "threat" was the wrong word. But it was most certainly veiled intimidation. That's lame and sad. No matter who knows who or how long people have posted.

We are all Hawks fans. We should all be better than this. Fans should be able to intelectually post and discuss their opinions of players without fear or worry of being teased and ridiculed by their own fans. Or fear of having other long term posters gang up on them. I can take your guys intimidation tactics. But seeing as how this is one of the best run Hawks sites online, I find it sad that such behavior is allowed to run rampant. And others shouldn't have to put up with it. All it does is drives away good posters and discourages thoughtful posts. Given some of the posts in this thread, I don't think I'm the only one here who feels this way.

I would tend to agree.



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I like Wilson. And I think that chart is interesting, and useless. I think results based analysis usually is, and both sides of this debate have been too guilty of it.

Do you think the little fella is a leader who is clutch, or don't you? I do.

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I do too. He's shown me enough heady play and QB ability to make me believe he's going to be very good for a very long time. Our WRs are just a shade above mediocre for the most part, and I believe Wilson is making them look pretty good, especially the past couple of weeks.

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Sorry but I just don't see anyone attempting to intimadate you. I think you are being a little over sensitive.

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True.

The point of the chart or this thread isn't to say, "See, look! Russell Wilson is good! And will have an amazing career!" No, the point is to show just what exactly are realisitic expectations of a rookie qb starting from day one.

If somebody shows you statistics that show Wilson to be on par with multiple successful high draft picks, and you still don't want Wilson starting, you're basically saying "I don't want a rookie starting even had we drafted one in the 1st round." Which is a perfectly reasonable argument to make. But it needs to be separated from all of the "he's only a 3rd round pick/he's too short/he'll never get any better" nonsense that fills the debate. I got zero problems with someone categorically not believing in baptism by fire. I myself disagree strong, and feel the proof is in the pudding with how the league has been run recently. But it's an acceptable stance.

What this chart does, IMO, is shines a light on the level of expecation and nitpicking that some of the less than fans of Wilson have brought to analyzing his play. They want to be hyper-critical of his every flaw and hold him to a standard that many current pro bowlers wouldn't pass, critiquing 2 or 3 "bad throws" after mostly solid games. And then want to act as if it's some sort of sign that the guy has no future.

If he's playing like this and has no future, I don't know what the same people could say about guys like Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, or Manning. Oh no, I do. They'd say they had plenty of room to grow. And it would be all because they were told so by high draft position and draft experts.

Russell Wilson, and the polarizing debate he brings with him, is a fascinating case study of fan expectations/opinions/idealogy and the impact perceived draft status/expert opinions/"conventional wisdom" play with shaping many's opinions and what they see.

I'll say it again. If Wilson was drafted #8 overall, and 6'4", his current level of play would be held up against rookie performances like the ones on this chart with pride and optimism that he will only get better. But no, he's a 3rd round pick, and sub-6 ft. So he's guilty until proven innocent. And in some people's eyes, has to play perfectly to do so.