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  • glasgow seahawks wrote:Yea
    As for the ratings on the offences, id suggest the packers, cowboys and Panthers, regarding of current rankings, all have very explosive and dangerous offences and we done excellent v them all. The packers offence is quite similar to the pats. My worry is the adjustments made by the pack 2nd half allowed them to dink and dunk all the way up the field, I forsee the pats doing this for large chunks of the game, if we dont get pressure up the middle to disrupt it....A real chess amtch on the cards



    The Packers usually have a great O, but it is NOT like the Pats. Pats is much more underneath and TE heavy where the Pack is more WR and stretch the field type team. Both very good but very different in ways going about things.

    Aothe thing NE has that the pack hasnt had is a running game. Even if not effective your D will have to respect it as it can break long runs at any moment.
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  • PatsFanNH wrote:Scotte,

    PLEASE PLEASE Show that Bandit set.. I have seen more teams try THAT tactic to stop the Pats on O. so them do it in DENVER,BUFFALO, TITANS,and Ravens.. and the Pats ran all over them a secondary guy does not like being hit by a TE and the Pats have very good bloacking WR.. That set is golden for 10-15 yard runs almost every time!

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  • Scottemojo wrote:
    PatsFanNH wrote:Scotte,

    PLEASE PLEASE Show that Bandit set.. I have seen more teams try THAT tactic to stop the Pats on O. so them do it in DENVER,BUFFALO, TITANS,and Ravens.. and the Pats ran all over them a secondary guy does not like being hit by a TE and the Pats have very good bloacking WR.. That set is golden for 10-15 yard runs almost every time!

    Whatever helps you sleep at night. The Seahawks are not your average backfield of midgets.


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  • Personally I am hoping that Bellicheck is so pissed at Welker for his comment the other night that he benches him for the game. The quick plays to Welker are what scares me the most. It is the type of plays that GB executed in the second half that could burn us big in this game. I do hope by getting enough pressure on Brady and jamming at the line we can do some damage but that is my concern for defense.

    Like others have said the big thing on offense is that the opposing defense will do a lot of shifting and weird looks. They may have a very conventional play but they will make it look like something completely new / strange to cause the interceptions.

    Should be a good game - need the running game to get going to open up the play action pass...... also need a few less first and goal run, second and goal run, penalty, third and goal pass......... then kick fg from the 3 yard line instead of going for it and stopping them a la GB game
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  • PatsFanNH wrote:NYCoug,

    ~~sigh~~ Yes because the seahawks front 4 are scarier than Suggs and the Ravens front 4 from years past or your LBers scarier thanRay Lewis and your safeties and cb scarier than Reed and Co.. Sigh... Brady will get sacked but he will also put points on the Board. the Hawks O needs score roughly 24 points to win MINIMUM.


    I'm not necessarily disagreeing that we may need to put up 24 points to win (although some of that could come from defense/special teams).

    That said, yes our front four are scarier, yes our LBs are scarier, and yes our CBs are scarier. Don't believe me? Ask Romo, Rodgers, Newton, Bradford, or Skelton . Still don't believe me? Fine. I hope your players don't either because the shock will cause almost as many problems as the ass whooping itself.
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  • PatsFanNH wrote:a secondary guy does not like being hit by a TE


    I no longer actively participate on this forum, but for this one I have to come out of the woodwork.

    Seattle's secondary not only likes hitting TEs, they will actively seek out the contact. They are a big, physical group who thrive on contact and getting inside people's heads.

    Maybe your secondary guys don't like being hit, but our guys will do it all day long and get the better of the hitting in most cases.

    Don't let the ability and quickness of this defense fool you into thinking they are not physical. They are the most physical secondary in the NFL.
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  • The Pats clearly have a good team year in and year out. The Hawks, unfortunately, have a different history. Yes the Pats have a great offense (#1) and the Hawks have a great defense (#4). Conversely the Pats D isn't all that great (#24) and the Hawks O isn't either (#25). It would appear to be an even match up with the Hawks having the 12th Man in their pocket.

    Looking a little closer at who the Pats have played compared with the Hawks may take a little luster off the Pats ranking. The Pats numbers are a little skewed by a couple of games against a bad Titans team and a bad Bills team. Not to mention that Buffalo, Tennessee and Denver are in the bottom 10 teams in rush defense. Seattle has faced only 1 team in the bottom 10 (Carolina). The Pats have also faced 3 teams in the bottom 10 for passing D as well (Buff, Tenn, Balt). Seattle has yet to face any in the bottom 10 until this weekend when the Pats come to town.

    Should be interesting.

    BTW the vaunted Baltimore D of yesteryear is #26 in total team defense.
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  • KiwiHawk wrote:Seattle's secondary not only likes hitting TEs, they will actively seek out the contact. They are a big, physical group who thrive on contact and getting inside people's heads.


    To your point we have the biggest secondary in the NFL. Our backs like to hit TE's because they're the same size.
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  • This Defense made Whitten, Smith and others drop passes due to him hearing footsteps. We are physical and by halftime, the offenses get tired of getting hit.

    Seahawk fans see the Patriots all of the time on primetime and sportscenter. The Hawks don't even warrant a short clip on NFL Primetime so you probably underestimate our Defense. We know that our Defense can stop that Patriot offense. The real question is: Can the Patriots defense stop our less-than-pedestrian passing offense? Your secondary is very sketchy and I believe Wilson will be up for the task. Hawks win 24-14 if we can get out of our own way (drive killing penalties).
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  • KiwiHawk wrote:
    PatsFanNH wrote:a secondary guy does not like being hit by a TE


    I no longer actively participate on this forum, but for this one I have to come out of the woodwork.

    Seattle's secondary not only likes hitting TEs, they will actively seek out the contact. They are a big, physical group who thrive on contact and getting inside people's heads.

    Maybe your secondary guys don't like being hit, but our guys will do it all day long and get the better of the hitting in most cases.

    Don't let the ability and quickness of this defense fool you into thinking they are not physical. They are the most physical secondary in the NFL.

    Just post the gif of Kam rag dolling Todd Heap. It is educational.
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  • You have to realize, PatsfanNH, our Bandit package includes a 6'3" 240 lb safety than can run, a 6'3" CB, a 6'4" 230 lb CB who can run, a FS that will light people up and has the best range in the league, and a host of LBers that can stay with a Gronk (Wagner could hang with Hernandez), and are decent to good in coverage.

    Here's the fun part: they play the run very, very well. I also realize Bruce Irvin sometimes gets upfield too fast, but running screens to his side is not always effective since he has 4.4 speed for a DE and can run down RBs by the time they get back to the LOS.

    We have the personnel to mitigate your offense, and our crowd will make no huddle more difficult. The problem as I see it is your coaches make better in game adjustments than our coaches, and our offense is really pretty poor. Good luck thinking you can just erase our running game though....people have tried this year knowing we have no passing game and still couldn't stop it. Oh, and by the way, our #3 ranking in rushing is after facing two top 10 defenses.
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  • If only the NE coaches knew as little about our defense as their fans. I thought the secret about this team was out.

    What's funny is that I am not too confident right now about the overall game - our offense could very easily struggle even against their defense. Sort of a very-light-object vs very-little-force sort of situation, and their defense is probably better.

    But our defense is every bit as legit as their offense. We have no weaknesses and we're healthy (although Carroll's teams have shown a great ability to shake off injuries with great depth). Brady steps up in the pocket? One of our edge rushers (that'd be our rookie, Bruce Irvin, with 4.5 sacks playing half the snaps) has flashed a good inside counter move, and he's so fast that he gets there in a hurry. Our big guys have been getting good push since the Arizona game, too. Ridley is having a killer year, but we're a big, nasty defense that has 11 players who are good vs the run. Our secondary is huge, physical, and they excel at playing the ball in the air. We don't have many blown assignments, although we are prone to PI/DH calls. I think your pace presents some problems, because we tend to rotate frequently and it's possible to catch us with just one pass-rusher on the field, or with too many to handle the run. We'll need a good gameplan from the coaching staff to handle that.

    Oh, I almost forgot. This place is loud. Your line will get slower jumps off the snap, and more false starts happen at the CLink than anywhere else (and, remember, our defense was not intimidating until 2011... we've been leading the league in false starts for years).
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  • I realize the PATS are a good offense, but let's not be crazy. Against Denver the PAT rushed for 225+ yards and Brady passed for 223 yards and they scored 31 points. What makes PATs fan certain they will hang 24-31 points on Seattle. Seattle hasn't allowed more than 20 points this whole season, against some very explosive teams in DAL, GB, CAR.

    The fact is Denver is a weak rush defensive team. Seattle is suffocating against the run allowing a mere 66.6 yards a game. We know Brady likes to dink and dunk. He's ALWAYS liked to dink and dunk. The PATS are just amazing at converting 3rd down. Seattle up until last week was weak on 3rd down. If Seattle reverts back to how it played against DALLAS and GB than the PATS will have some long drives. If they play like they did last week allowing on 18% conversions on 3rd down than the uptempo stuff will be irrelevant. It only means something if you can sustain a drive. That will be the challenge for Seattle, no doubt about it.

    I just watched the Denver/ PATS game on Game Rewind and was amazed that at least 2 times Brady got spooked by pressure that wasn't there. Has he been doing that in any other game? One of the biggest plays in that game was a 3rd and 17 and the PATS ran the ball and Woodhead got the first down and ultimately ended in a TD. Unbeleiveable. DW knows how to squirt through and make first downs, He reminds me alot of Kevin Faulk a guy I HATED because he always managed to catch a pass or run for just 1 yard more than needed for a first down. 3rd down defense will be paramount. Also I beleive that Mebane and Jones will be huge factors in this game, if they can push the pocket and collapse it I think it will make Brady nervous and will get him out of his confort zone.

    I'm very excited for this game and expect to see some CLINK magic. I could see Seattle winning 23-20, Or I could see the PATS winning 24-17. Turnovers will be critical. Hopefully Seattle can get some scores assisted by the defense or special teams that will really help.
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  • KiwiHawk wrote:
    PatsFanNH wrote:a secondary guy does not like being hit by a TE


    I no longer actively participate on this forum, but for this one I have to come out of the woodwork.

    Seattle's secondary not only likes hitting TEs, they will actively seek out the contact. They are a big, physical group who thrive on contact and getting inside people's heads.

    Maybe your secondary guys don't like being hit, but our guys will do it all day long and get the better of the hitting in most cases.

    Don't let the ability and quickness of this defense fool you into thinking they are not physical. They are the most physical secondary in the NFL.



    Denver was 9th vs the run before last week. Try again.

    EDIT: Accidentally quoted the wrong person. My B.
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  • Snohomie wrote:I realize the PATS are a good offense, but let's not be crazy. Against Denver the PAT rushed for 225+ yards and Brady passed for 223 yards and they scored 31 points. What makes PATs fan certain they will hang 24-31 points on Seattle. Seattle hasn't allowed more than 20 points this whole season, against some very explosive teams in DAL, GB, CAR.

    The fact is Denver is a weak rush defensive team. Seattle is suffocating against the run allowing a mere 66.6 yards a game. We know Brady likes to dink and dunk. He's ALWAYS liked to dink and dunk. The PATS are just amazing at converting 3rd down. Seattle up until last week was weak on 3rd down. If Seattle reverts back to how it played against DALLAS and GB than the PATS will have some long drives. If they play like they did last week allowing on 18% conversions on 3rd down than the uptempo stuff will be irrelevant. It only means something if you can sustain a drive. That will be the challenge for Seattle, no doubt about it.

    I just watched the Denver/ PATS game on Game Rewind and was amazed that at least 2 times Brady got spooked by pressure that wasn't there. Has he been doing that in any other game? One of the biggest plays in that game was a 3rd and 17 and the PATS ran the ball and Woodhead got the first down and ultimately ended in a TD. Unbeleiveable. DW knows how to squirt through and make first downs, He reminds me alot of Kevin Faulk a guy I HATED because he always managed to catch a pass or run for just 1 yard more than needed for a first down. 3rd down defense will be paramount. Also I beleive that Mebane and Jones will be huge factors in this game, if they can push the pocket and collapse it I think it will make Brady nervous and will get him out of his confort zone.

    I'm very excited for this game and expect to see some CLINK magic. I could see Seattle winning 23-20, Or I could see the PATS winning 24-17. Turnovers will be critical. Hopefully Seattle can get some scores assisted by the defense or special teams that will really help..


    Yes the cowboys offense is so explosive they average 16 points a game. Good for 30th in the NFL. Take away the seahawks game and they go up to 19 PPG. Still good enough to be bottom 10 in the league.
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  • jlwaters1 wrote:...
    I just watched the Denver/ PATS game on Game Rewind and was amazed that at least 2 times Brady got spooked by pressure that wasn't there. Has he been doing that in any other game? .


    Saw this as well. He did this a couple of times in earlier games. Was going to ask Pats fans the same thing, then I figured even the great ones get tired of getting pounded after a decade. Saw Rodgers doing the same thing in the Colts game so I just chalk it up to even the best are human.
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  • drdiags,

    exactly, and in the denver Game when that happened in the 4th qrtr I believe the O was getting tired.. they ran over 95 OFFENSIVE plays against Denver. was so bad our Oline got exhausted from the tempo. (reason they got 2 sacks in the 4th qrtr we had subs in there.)

    I think Brady FELT pressure that was further away than he thought it was.. I rather he react to nothing than be crushed or drag down by his shirt by standing still.
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  • jlwaters,

    as you guys like to say the O doesnt have to do all the scoring. As you MAY or may not know the Pats are one of the leading teams in TakeAways. I think EVERY game this year they have had at least 2 takeaways leading to short fields or directly to a TD.

    So if they get their AVERAGE TO this week (which is roughly 3 it is 2.8) say brady & Co only score 1TD and 2 FG off those.. thats 13 points right there.. do you think your D can stop the Pats driving all game from making at least 1 more TD for 20 points? I see the O getting at lest 14 points on their own so that make 27... now subtract 3 for say a MISSED FG and there is 24 points.
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  • Pats fan, we know your team is good. You don't have to convince us. Seattle fans may cheer for a team in a place near Japan, but it doesn't mean we are ill informed about the team that is on the boob tube 24/7. The Extra Special Patriot Network makes sure we know all about every time Tom Brady has a hangnail.

    What we are telling you is that something special is brewing here in Seattle (coffee joke) and win or lose, you are going to think the Ravens team was a finesse squad after this game.

    Hopefully, you will be squaking about how the Patriots were jobbed by the Refs a third time. Because one thing I am learning about Patriot fans is that their team never actually loses games, they only get robbed by Refs.
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  • I fully expect to see one of these calls, and one of these reactions from Brady, on Sunday.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75YPZmpp1Wk

    There was one video I saw last year of a HORRIBLE roughing the passer call from the Redskins/Patriots game on London Fletcher. Brady whined so hard and got the call. I wish you guys could see it, it was anti-football at it's finest, conveniently it was taken down though..

    I hope Russell Wilson, no matter how much tenure he gains in the league, never becomes such a pansy.
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  • The Patriots D is alot better then people think, but I am still not convinced their run D can handle the pounding Lynch and Turbin will give them. Having said that I believe we need to play a near flawless offensive game to win.

    We need Lynch and Turbin to get it going early and Russell needs to extend drives by making the right reads and finding the tight ends underneath, I noticed New England can be beaten with tight ends and we need to get them involved. We can't keep shooting ourselves in the foot with penalties either.

    This could be a very interesting game. The best way to beat Brady is to keep him off the field, I am confident our D will be up to the challenge as long as we don't give them too many chances.
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  • Helloooooo Seattle Fans!!!!

    Loving forward to a GREAT game this weekend. Contrary to popular belief, many of us Pats do nOT take the Seahawks for granted. I've read too much about them this past couple weeks, heard about them on our sports radio (98.5 BOSTON SPORTSHUB) and seen too much on tv to think they'll be an easy out. That D is BEAST. Although most of them aren't household names (at least here in the East Coast) they are certainly a force to be reckoned with. A perfect blend of speed, strength, agility and power. You're offense is a bit underrated and I'm actually rooting for Russel Wilson to do well in the NFL. I was also part of the silent majority here in New England who wanted Golden Tate out of the draft. :D

    With all that being said... I'm a little surprised by how lightly some Seattle fans take the Patriots. As if Tom Brady is "just" another quarterback. It's TOM FRICKEN BRADY. Unless your helmet has a name that starts with a "G" and your stadium in is New Jersey, he pretty much has his way with you. There's a reason why he's worshiped up here in 7 states. The man just WINS. The Patriots just WIN. (Wish the same could be said of the Sox...)

    And as much as I like RW... Bill eats rookie QB's for LUNCH. It's a FACT. BB is the master of taking away your A game and forcing you to try and beat us with your B even your C.

    So please... don't disrespect us and think this will be an easy game. This will be a VERY hard fought game that will I believe come down to the wire. The Best O vs The Best D. The Unstoppable Force vs The Immovable object.

    If for some crazy reason you guys blow us out. I will totally come back eat crow and say you were the better team and deserved to kill us. If we blow you out... it'll just be another day at the office. :)

    May the best team win.

    (GO PATRIOTS.)

    P.S. while I'm on here... I'm kinda curious. Do Seattle fans really think they beat the Packers? Or did you know y'all got lucky? :)
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  • PatsFan0X wrote:So please... don't disrespect us and think this will be an easy game. This will be a VERY hard fought game that will I believe come down to the wire. The Best O vs The Best D. The Unstoppable Force vs The Immovable object.

    I do not know any fans who think this will be an easy game for Seattle. The contention I have seen in this thread is that our defense will be able to hold it to a relatively low scoring game. Most of us are worried that our offense may not put up enough points to win even if our defense holds you guys to two scores or less. A bit less than half of what our offense has been able to contribute this year has been because our defense or special teams gave them the ball on the opponents side of the field.

    PatsFan0X wrote:while I'm on here... I'm kinda curious. Do Seattle fans really think they beat the Packers? Or did you know y'all got lucky? :)

    We haven't been given a hivemind here in Seattle yet so everybody still has their own opinion. I would say the most common opinion is that the Tate catch was debatable, it was blatant offensive pass interference but that is typically not called, and both would have been moot if not for a phantom PI call on Kam that gave the Packers their only TD of the game. If we want to imagine fixing all of the blown calls in that game then the last drive doesn't even matter because the Packers still have six points.
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  • NYCoug wrote:I fully expect to see one of these calls, and one of these reactions from Brady, on Sunday.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75YPZmpp1Wk

    There was one video I saw last year of a HORRIBLE roughing the passer call from the Redskins/Patriots game on London Fletcher. Brady whined so hard and got the call. I wish you guys could see it, it was anti-football at it's finest, conveniently it was taken down though..

    I hope Russell Wilson, no matter how much tenure he gains in the league, never becomes such a pansy.



    Yep, Brady always cries when he gets hit and always looks for a flag right after contact. Plus you get flagged if you get with in 5 yards of him. Just watch-

    Not only does Brady lay on the field for 20 minutes, He immediately starts waving his arms begging the refs for a flag-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlbHhqeyLnQ
    After 9 flags were thrown on that play and 75 penalty yards were assesed, Dumervil was immediately banned from the league and had to continue his career in the CFL.

    Brady has even hired actors to film montages of him getting hit with a stunt double in order to help his case-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egf6ZmUI4Fg
    For some reason, CBS aired that during a game against the Lions, who have to have one of the worst defensive lines in football. Never in a million years would they have any hope of ever touching Brady.


    But that wasn't the first time. Albert haynesworth plows into Brady for a sack and the first thing Brady does is start flailing his arms for a flag-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD6mJsvy0MA
    Haynesworth was actually sentenced to 5 years in prison for this hit.

    And another case-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWoI60lkVdg
    Ellis barely touches Brady and immediately 3 flags are thrown. Brady actually gets on his hands and knees and pleads with the refs for a flag after this one.

    And it stems from him always being able to get away with calls, even back during his first season as a starter.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_EngM7H ... re=related
    Here in 2001, Brady gets hit in the Bills game and after laying on the field for 40 minutes before he could be airlifted to the nearest hospital, he musters up enough sissy strength to mouth the words 'unecessary roughness' to a teammate.

    Not even after crying his way to a Superbowl and a perfect regular season is Lady Brady beyond begging for a flag. Here he gets destroyed by the Giant's Alford-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzCLZPMBeDM
    And of course, his first instinct, is to motion to the sidelines for a flag. Or maybe he was motioning for a timeout. But given his track record as a bitch, I'm betting it was for a flag.

    But if I had to pick one play that sets Brady's legacy as a sissy in stone, it would have to be this play here that happened just last year-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4VGDYm- ... re=related
    The fragile candyass figures "Hey its the Ravens defensive line. They've never been any good and they hit like 70 year old chemo patients. Especially that geriatric Ray Lewis. Hes never been known for a good hit."
    Some how the baby scores. And even that Ray Lewis guy manages a hit thats hard enough to tear open Brady's pack of kotexes (super absorbant since hes such a puss) which caused a delay of game since the grounds crew had to spend 4 minutes picking them all up.

    I don't understand why defensive coordinators don't always game plan to get to Lady Brady. If enough did, maybe, just maybe, it would happen so much that the NFL would have to stop always giving him calls. Then maybe one day, it would happen enough for you to easily go to youtube and spend 5 minutes hunting for videos to dispell silly notions like Brady being atleast averagely tough instead of the crybaby titwhistle bitch everyone in the league knows he is.
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    I am confused, FIRST you say your a Pats fan and now you go do the hole looking for you tube video of Brady and gind say 15 over an 11 YEAR career.. and say "HE CONSTANTLY CRIES yada yada". hmm your not a Pats fan your a dang Jets fan pretending be a Pats fan. Thats the Jets number one cry.. that and whining they have no QB..

    Brady like ANY vet QB will argue and try and get a flag.. He doesnt take dives but look at all the GOOD to great QB's they all try get the flag... The ones who don't are either young (Wilson) or gawd awful (Sanchez). All the rest try and get the flag. To Seatle fans you dont remember Hasselback trying get the flags? I am sure he did, he may not have been as anamated as Brady but he was still trying to get the flag.
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  • PatsFanNH wrote:Modest,

    I am confused, FIRST you say your a Pats fan and now you go do the hole looking for you tube video of Brady and gind say 15 over an 11 YEAR career.. and say "HE CONSTANTLY CRIES yada yada". hmm your not a Pats fan your a dang Jets fan pretending be a Pats fan. Thats the Jets number one cry.. that and whining they have no QB..

    Brady like ANY vet QB will argue and try and get a flag.. He doesnt take dives but look at all the GOOD to great QB's they all try get the flag... The ones who don't are either young (Wilson) or gawd awful (Sanchez). All the rest try and get the flag. To Seatle fans you dont remember Hasselback trying get the flags? I am sure he did, he may not have been as anamated as Brady but he was still trying to get the flag.



    You bother to look at any of the videos he posted? But thanks for helping out the other side of the coin with your comments, because they can be applied the other way as well.
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  • jlwaters1 wrote:I realize the PATS are a good offense, but let's not be crazy. Against Denver the PAT rushed for 225+ yards and Brady passed for 223 yards and they scored 31 points. What makes PATs fan certain they will hang 24-31 points on Seattle. Seattle hasn't allowed more than 20 points this whole season, against some very explosive teams in DAL, GB, CAR.

    The fact is Denver is a weak rush defensive team. Seattle is suffocating against the run allowing a mere 66.6 yards a game. We know Brady likes to dink and dunk. He's ALWAYS liked to dink and dunk. The PATS are just amazing at converting 3rd down. Seattle up until last week was weak on 3rd down. If Seattle reverts back to how it played against DALLAS and GB than the PATS will have some long drives. If they play like they did last week allowing on 18% conversions on 3rd down than the uptempo stuff will be irrelevant. It only means something if you can sustain a drive. That will be the challenge for Seattle, no doubt about it.

    I just watched the Denver/ PATS game on Game Rewind and was amazed that at least 2 times Brady got spooked by pressure that wasn't there. Has he been doing that in any other game? One of the biggest plays in that game was a 3rd and 17 and the PATS ran the ball and Woodhead got the first down and ultimately ended in a TD. Unbeleiveable. DW knows how to squirt through and make first downs, He reminds me alot of Kevin Faulk a guy I HATED because he always managed to catch a pass or run for just 1 yard more than needed for a first down. 3rd down defense will be paramount. Also I beleive that Mebane and Jones will be huge factors in this game, if they can push the pocket and collapse it I think it will make Brady nervous and will get him out of his confort zone.

    I'm very excited for this game and expect to see some CLINK magic. I could see Seattle winning 23-20, Or I could see the PATS winning 24-17. Turnovers will be critical. Hopefully Seattle can get some scores assisted by the defense or special teams that will really help.


    You have to realize that this offense you are facing is not the Cowboys, and Packers. And right now Rogders isn't on his game, and Romo is no where close to the quality and caliber of the elite and extraordinary Tom Brady. Too many weapons both through the air and ground, that can hurt you in a multitude of many different variations, formations and substitutions. And runs the absolute best no huddle in the National Football League too.
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  • PatsFanNH wrote:Modest,

    I am confused, FIRST you say your a Pats fan and now you go do the hole looking for you tube video of Brady and gind say 15 over an 11 YEAR career.. and say "HE CONSTANTLY CRIES yada yada". hmm your not a Pats fan your a dang Jets fan pretending be a Pats fan. Thats the Jets number one cry.. that and whining they have no QB..

    Brady like ANY vet QB will argue and try and get a flag.. He doesnt take dives but look at all the GOOD to great QB's they all try get the flag... The ones who don't are either young (Wilson) or gawd awful (Sanchez). All the rest try and get the flag. To Seatle fans you dont remember Hasselback trying get the flags? I am sure he did, he may not have been as anamated as Brady but he was still trying to get the flag.


    This is a post I originally made on the Ravens forum after they were making the same statements. In fact that one video NYCoug linked is the source of the hivemind mentality that Brady gets favorable calls and is a ladyboy panties wearing candyass. Meanwhile the fact that Brady constantly gets the shit knocked out of him (because sacking Brady is to a defensive player what a night with Giselle Blumchen is to a mortal man) is simply omitted. And lets not to mention the seasons where after the fact it comes to light he was playing with bruised ribs, a sports hernia, or a fucked up shoulder. Or that he (and Manning) are actually near the bottom of all received roughing the passer calls the past 2 years.

    I'm not hear to start a pissing match at all or claim that we're the best team ever or even cheerlead for my team because that has no place on a rival forum. But I do get a bit annoyed when someone makes a false case against one of our players and their source is one video. One that involves Terrell Thuggs who has had quite a heated public back and forth with Brady, a player who I wouldn't put a cheapshot past, and on a play similar to the one that could have potentially cost Brady his career.

    Seattle, I have no doubt you will get to Brady at least once and most likely multiple times. As long as Brady isn't carted off and is fully capable of playing the Jets the week after, more power to you. Savor the hits. Just be a bit more informed than NyCoug.
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    PatsFanNH wrote:Modest,

    I am confused, FIRST you say your a Pats fan and now you go do the hole looking for you tube video of Brady and gind say 15 over an 11 YEAR career.. and say "HE CONSTANTLY CRIES yada yada". hmm your not a Pats fan your a dang Jets fan pretending be a Pats fan. Thats the Jets number one cry.. that and whining they have no QB..

    Brady like ANY vet QB will argue and try and get a flag.. He doesnt take dives but look at all the GOOD to great QB's they all try get the flag... The ones who don't are either young (Wilson) or gawd awful (Sanchez). All the rest try and get the flag. To Seatle fans you dont remember Hasselback trying get the flags? I am sure he did, he may not have been as anamated as Brady but he was still trying to get the flag.


    This is a post I originally made on the Ravens forum after they were making the same statements. In fact that one video NYCoug linked is the source of the hivemind mentality that Brady gets favorable calls and is a ladyboy panties wearing candyass. Meanwhile the fact that Brady constantly gets the shit knocked out of him (because sacking Brady is to a defensive player what a night with Giselle Blumchen is to a mortal man) is simply omitted. And lets not to mention the seasons where after the fact it comes to light he was playing with bruised ribs, a sports hernia, or a fucked up shoulder. Or that he (and Manning) are actually near the bottom of all received roughing the passer calls the past 2 years.

    I'm not hear to start a pissing match at all or claim that we're the best team ever or even cheerlead for my team because that has no place on a rival forum. But I do get a bit annoyed when someone makes a false case against one of our players and their source is one video. One that involves Terrell Thuggs who has had quite a heated public back and forth with Brady, a player who I wouldn't put a cheapshot past, and on a play similar to the one that could have potentially cost Brady his career.

    Seattle, I have no doubt you will get to Brady at least once and most likely multiple times. As long as Brady isn't carted off and is fully capable of playing the Jets the week after, more power to you. Savor the hits. Just be a bit more informed than NyCoug.



    I appreciate your very well thought out and well stated argument, truly. But I gotta back NyCoug here. Brady begs for calls more than any QB I can think of. Now, I don't watch every Pats game, to be sure but they're on TV quite a bit, so we see em'.

    IMO, there was a time when Brady was a true football player. Tough as nails, headbutting teammates, etc. These days? He's a haircut in pads.

    This isn't to say that he's a bad quarterback or anything like that - obviously he's very good but the dude's a cry baby.
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    He still head butts and smacks shoulder pads, and even call fans "Little Bitches" lol.... but he does it NO more than any other QB... you and others notice it because the cameras always focused on him... (Manning does it alot too and gets the same criticism but he also always has the cameras pan to him..) These two are the NFL poster biys right now... with Rogers coming on strong to relieve them shortly.
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  • Ugh...you guys' weird, gushing, superlative fan worship is making me hope that Brady loses.
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  • KiwiHawk wrote:I no longer actively participate on this forum, but for this one I have to come out of the woodwork.


    Why not? I think your opinions belong here.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:Pats fan, we know your team is good. You don't have to convince us. Seattle fans may cheer for a team in a place near Japan, but it doesn't mean we are ill informed about the team that is on the boob tube 24/7. The Extra Special Patriot Network makes sure we know all about every time Tom Brady has a hangnail.

    What we are telling you is that something special is brewing here in Seattle (coffee joke) and win or lose, you are going to think the Ravens team was a finesse squad after this game.

    Hopefully, you will be squaking about how the Patriots were jobbed by the Refs a third time. Because one thing I am learning about Patriot fans is that their team never actually loses games, they only get robbed by Refs.


    Don't listen to this Patriot fans. Some people write delusional statements rich with short man complex. Jealousy sucks and many of us don't support this drivel. A year from now this kind of comment will change to wanting to fire Pete Carroll. Some of us are just smart enough to see the cracks in the foundation quicker then others. Only a d bag would think Seattle is near Japan.
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  • SEC FAN wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:Pats fan, we know your team is good. You don't have to convince us. Seattle fans may cheer for a team in a place near Japan, but it doesn't mean we are ill informed about the team that is on the boob tube 24/7. The Extra Special Patriot Network makes sure we know all about every time Tom Brady has a hangnail.

    What we are telling you is that something special is brewing here in Seattle (coffee joke) and win or lose, you are going to think the Ravens team was a finesse squad after this game.

    Hopefully, you will be squaking about how the Patriots were jobbed by the Refs a third time. Because one thing I am learning about Patriot fans is that their team never actually loses games, they only get robbed by Refs.


    Don't listen to this Patriot fans. Some people write delusional statements rich with short man complex. Jealousy sucks and many of us don't support this drivel. A year from now this kind of comment will change to wanting to fire Pete Carroll. Some of us are just smart enough to see the cracks in the foundation quicker then others. Only a d bag would think Seattle is near Japan.

    haha. I'm jealous, that is true. I want rings too.

    BTW, your last sentence is wildly inaccurate. Only a dumbass would think Seattle is actually near Japan, and only a semi literate dullard would take such a hyperbolic statement seriously.
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  • PatsFan0X wrote:Helloooooo Seattle Fans!!!!
    P.S. while I'm on here... I'm kinda curious. Do Seattle fans really think they beat the Packers? Or did you know y'all got lucky? :)


    Well the stats say we won, so I'm guessing we won...

    You guys really think you won in that 'tuck rule" game? c'mon bruh.
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  • Throwdown wrote:
    PatsFan0X wrote:Helloooooo Seattle Fans!!!!
    P.S. while I'm on here... I'm kinda curious. Do Seattle fans really think they beat the Packers? Or did you know y'all got lucky? :)


    Well the stats say we won, so I'm guessing we won...

    You guys really think you won in that 'tuck rule" game? c'mon bruh.



    LMAO you nailed it my friend.. that PACKERS game is the Hawks TUCK rule game. You will be defending it for years...
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  • PatsFanNH wrote:I am basing this off history, ONLY the Ravens past D (The BEST in the league for what 10 years?) kept the Pats under 30 and even then was mid 20's most of the time. IMO your O will need score a min of 24 points to win. I could be wrong, have been before (i am use to it I am married lol)


    How about that, PatsFanNH was correct.
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