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Post subject: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:13 pm |
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Although teams have been able to pass against New England, that stat should be overlooked. The defense will give up yards through the air at times, but will also take the ball away. The patriot defensive players are always looking to strip the ball, force fumbles, get interceptions and etc, whatever they can do to cause turnovers. Examples are plays such as Sterling Moore knocking the ball away from Demeryius Thomas the first play against Denver, like he did on Lee Evans in the AFC Championship game last year. Another are the two forced fumbles that Rob Ninkovich cause while sacking Peyton Manning for one play, then stripping McGahee on another late in the game. Brandon Spikes is also pretty crafty at this two whenever the opportunity presents. And Vince Wilfork, is becoming legendary, making at least two huge game changing plays during the course of a game. They are very tough against the run with those huge defensive linemen and linebackers and stingy against the pass, even while giving up yards. The opposing offense will have to stay clear of sacks that are often stripped for fumbles while playing New England, ball security during run plays and disguised coverages while attempting to pass downfield. Also note that New England shutout Peyton Manning for almost the entire game without standout rookie Dont'a Hightower, and starting safety Steve Gregory who has been solid.
Devin McCourty - 3 INT's Steve Gregory - 1 INT Tavon Wilson - 2 INT's Jerod Mayo - 1 INT Vince Wilfork - 1 caused INT after hit Sterling Moore - forced fumble and recovery Rob Ninkovich - 2.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles Chandler Jones - 3 sacks, 2 forced fumbles Dont'a Hightower - 1 sack, fumble recovery for td
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:16 pm |
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I appreciate that you New England fans actually want to talk about football. Its refreshing.
I dont think anybody here expects this week to be an easy task on either side of the ball. New England's definatly a good team. Playing at home though in front of the 12th man does something magical for our team, so many of us are expecting a win in a tough, hard fought game.
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:18 pm |
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How is Chandler Jones doing? From the few times I have watched the Pats he looked great.
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:58 pm |
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:33 pm |
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The thing I worry most about playing the Pats is Belichick's way of game planning to make the opposing QB look pretty awful at times,...a rookie like RW may have a hard time on Sunday
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:51 am |
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iigakusei wrote: How is Chandler Jones doing? From the few times I have watched the Pats he looked great. Originally most of us thought Chandler was going to be a raw project when we drafted him. Then he looked amazing in the preseason. And then, he continued to look amazing in the regular season as a starter which is pretty astounding. I think his performance has been diminished by the few weeks we had the inept replacement officials because Oher was allowed to hold him all game including full on chokeholds that went uncalled. I only wish Ninkovich could get equivalent pressure from the other side but that's not happening. Our front 7 is very very good. Our run defense is stout but then again so was the 49ers last year and Lynch still ran through their line and instantly atomized 4 of their linemen for a TD. Our defensive backfield is laughable. Mccourty goes from good to a PI machine in a matter of plays. Arrington is average. The safeties Chung and and Gregory are average though Chung is a liability in coverage. In the Denver game, one of our best looking CBs was actually 7th round draft pick Alfonzo Dennard, whose stock plummeted because he slapped a cop at a club prior to the draft. Dennard actually did something it seems our secondary is coached not to do- LOOK FOR THE #$%^@#%$ BALL WHILE YOU'RE COVERING THE RECEIVER. Sorry, its frustrating. Who knows who wins this one. The Pats are notorious for losing at least one 'wtf' game every season but I'm hoping we've already gotten that out of the way with the heavily referee assisted Cardinals loss. All I know is I want you guys to roflstomp the 49ers for the division since I have an annoying bandwagoner 49er friend.
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:03 am |
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Modest wrote: Who knows who wins this one. The Pats are notorious for losing at least one 'wtf' game every season but I'm hoping we've already gotten that out of the way with the heavily referee assisted Cardinals loss. All I know is I want you guys to roflstomp the 49ers for the division since I have an annoying bandwagoner 49er friend. If the Patriots consider the trip to Seattle to be a "WTF" type of game on their schedule, then they've already lost. The Seahawks almost always look like World Champions at home. The road, not-so-much. The 12th Man is a real deal up here that is hard to quantify. If the opponents don't respect it coming in, they sure as heck do when they leave. It should be a great game and a true test for our #1 defense versus the #1 offense. Looking forward to it.
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:13 am |
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I'm going to say this again for all of the Pats fans coming in to talk football and who I must say have been fairly cool for the most part so far:
If you haven't seen this Seattle Defense for a full game yet, you're going to shit your pants on Sunday. I say this without so much as a scintilla of hyperbole. You will soil yourselves. this Defense is that good, and have been consistently this good in every game so far this year.
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:17 am |
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peachesenregalia wrote: I'm going to say this again for all of the Pats fans coming in to talk football and who I must say have been fairly cool for the most part so far:
If you haven't seen this Seattle Defense for a full game yet, you're going to shit your pants on Sunday. I say this without so much as a scintilla of hyperbole. You will soil yourselves. this Defense is that good, and have been consistently this good in every game so far this year. Sssssshhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! Keep it a surprise! People love surprises. 
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:29 am |
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The highs and lows on this board kill me.
One week were talking about benching the QB and firing the OC, and the HC down the line if he doesn't figure it out, etc.
Then the next, it's practically a lock that the Seahawks are going to beat the Pats.
Back on topic:
The Patriots defense scares me, and has always scared me for the very reason stated in the subject of this thread. As far as the Pats go, you can basically throw the stats out the window. Last against the pass, blah blah blah. None of that will matter if BB can scheme, and figure out how to take advantage of Wilson. That's what makes him the best (I hate him). And even if guys like McCourtney and IMO, especially Chung give up some yards, they always seem to make plays. And Wilfork, jeebus. I can't lie, this game scares me. It's totally winnable, but we'll have to play a great game to do it.
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:35 am |
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SirTed,
I agree either team could win this game, I think Seatle needs it more to stay on pace with the Cards and 49ers and the Pats worse case is being tied for first with 5 division games to go.
What scares any HONEST pats fan about this game is the health of Volmer and Mankins on our O line if they are healthy and play I am VERY confident if they cant I am worried for Brady's safety. (Not easy for ANY team replace 2 oline starters never mind a PRO BOWL starter and a very good oneas well in Volmer)
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:35 am |
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PatsFanNH wrote: SirTed,
I agree either team could win this game, I think Seatle needs it more to stay on pace with the Cards and 49ers and the Pats worse case is being tied for first with 5 division games to go.
What scares any HONEST pats fan about this game is the health of Volmer and Mankins on our O line if they are healthy and play I am VERY confident if they cant I am worried for Brady's safety. (Not easy for ANY team replace 2 oline starters never mind a PRO BOWL starter and a very good oneas well in Volmer) Get your depends ready, my friend.
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:38 am |
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PatsFanNH wrote: SirTed,
I agree either team could win this game, I think Seatle needs it more to stay on pace with the Cards and 49ers and the Pats worse case is being tied for first with 5 division games to go.
What scares any HONEST pats fan about this game is the health of Volmer and Mankins on our O line if they are healthy and play I am VERY confident if they cant I am worried for Brady's safety. (Not easy for ANY team replace 2 oline starters never mind a PRO BOWL starter and a very good oneas well in Volmer) Ahhh, Pats fans fearing for the safety of Tom Brady.. now that's a beautiful thing. Nothing could be better than watching Brady have an "Aaron Rodgers" day this coming Sunday. Except for a W of course. How bout we do both?!
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:39 am |
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peachesenregalia wrote: PatsFanNH wrote: SirTed,
I agree either team could win this game, I think Seatle needs it more to stay on pace with the Cards and 49ers and the Pats worse case is being tied for first with 5 division games to go.
What scares any HONEST pats fan about this game is the health of Volmer and Mankins on our O line if they are healthy and play I am VERY confident if they cant I am worried for Brady's safety. (Not easy for ANY team replace 2 oline starters never mind a PRO BOWL starter and a very good oneas well in Volmer) Get your depends ready, my friend. LOL I am not afraid, get your hankies ready... because if Our oline is healthy I see a 30 spot being dropped on the Hawks.  (just a little fun smack talk but I could see them doing that Pats O is that good.)
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:40 am |
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NYCoug wrote: PatsFanNH wrote: SirTed,
I agree either team could win this game, I think Seatle needs it more to stay on pace with the Cards and 49ers and the Pats worse case is being tied for first with 5 division games to go.
What scares any HONEST pats fan about this game is the health of Volmer and Mankins on our O line if they are healthy and play I am VERY confident if they cant I am worried for Brady's safety. (Not easy for ANY team replace 2 oline starters never mind a PRO BOWL starter and a very good oneas well in Volmer) Ahhh, Pats fans fearing for the safety of Tom Brady.. now that's a beautiful thing. Nothing could be better than watching Brady have an "Aaron Rodgers" day this coming Sunday. Except for a W of course. How bout we do both?! More likely see a NORMAL Tom Brady day 24 of 30 for 300 yards 3 TD  but I only fear for him IF our oline is down...
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:42 am |
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PatsFanNH wrote: peachesenregalia wrote: PatsFanNH wrote: SirTed,
I agree either team could win this game, I think Seatle needs it more to stay on pace with the Cards and 49ers and the Pats worse case is being tied for first with 5 division games to go.
What scares any HONEST pats fan about this game is the health of Volmer and Mankins on our O line if they are healthy and play I am VERY confident if they cant I am worried for Brady's safety. (Not easy for ANY team replace 2 oline starters never mind a PRO BOWL starter and a very good oneas well in Volmer) Get your depends ready, my friend. LOL I am not afraid, get your hankies ready... because if Our oline is healthy I see a 30 spot being dropped on the Hawks.  (just a little fun smack talk but I could see them doing that Pats O is that good.) The Patriots' offense is the best in the league. No-one disputes that. But we feel like this Seahawks defense is the best in the league also. This is a chess match between Belichek and Carrol. I think the most scary thing for the Pats, is that the Seahawks have been causing offenses so much havoc from their BASE DEFENSIVE SET most of the time. Look out if we decide to start mixing things up.
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:49 am |
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PatsFanNH wrote: peachesenregalia wrote: PatsFanNH wrote: SirTed,
I agree either team could win this game, I think Seatle needs it more to stay on pace with the Cards and 49ers and the Pats worse case is being tied for first with 5 division games to go.
What scares any HONEST pats fan about this game is the health of Volmer and Mankins on our O line if they are healthy and play I am VERY confident if they cant I am worried for Brady's safety. (Not easy for ANY team replace 2 oline starters never mind a PRO BOWL starter and a very good oneas well in Volmer) Get your depends ready, my friend. LOL I am not afraid, get your hankies ready... because if Our oline is healthy I see a 30 spot being dropped on the Hawks.  (just a little fun smack talk but I could see them doing that Pats O is that good.) If your offense can put up 30 points on our D, the Pats will likely win this game. By half time, however, I think you will be happy if they can put up 20-25 points. I really wish some of you could experience the Clink for yourselves. You would be awestruck.
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:52 am |
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PatsFanNH wrote: NYCoug wrote: PatsFanNH wrote: SirTed,
I agree either team could win this game, I think Seatle needs it more to stay on pace with the Cards and 49ers and the Pats worse case is being tied for first with 5 division games to go.
What scares any HONEST pats fan about this game is the health of Volmer and Mankins on our O line if they are healthy and play I am VERY confident if they cant I am worried for Brady's safety. (Not easy for ANY team replace 2 oline starters never mind a PRO BOWL starter and a very good oneas well in Volmer) Ahhh, Pats fans fearing for the safety of Tom Brady.. now that's a beautiful thing. Nothing could be better than watching Brady have an "Aaron Rodgers" day this coming Sunday. Except for a W of course. How bout we do both?! More likely see a NORMAL Tom Brady day 24 of 30 for 300 yards 3 TD  but I only fear for him IF our oline is down... Oh I'm sure Brady will get his. He'll also do his NORMAL complaining to the refs whenever a Seahawk so much looks at him funny. You best believe that guys like Browner and Clemons are licking their chops. This defense plays with a TON of confidence. About the same level of confidence the Patriots offense operates with. They will not second guess themselves or have any fear. I wonder if you'll be able to say the same about your skill players and Mr. Brady after Kam Chancellor plants em in to the CLink turf a few times. Alligator arms? The "Witten's" if you will? 
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:55 am |
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[ Get your depends ready, my friend.[/quote] LOL I am not afraid, get your hankies ready... because if Our oline is healthy I see a 30 spot being dropped on the Hawks.  (just a little fun smack talk but I could see them doing that Pats O is that good.)[/quote] If your offense can put up 30 points on our D, the Pats will likely win this game. By half time, however, I think you will be happy if they can put up 20-25 points. I really wish some of you could experience the Clink for yourselves. You would be awestruck.[/quote] I am basing this off history, ONLY the Ravens past D (The BEST in the league for what 10 years?) kept the Pats under 30 and even then was mid 20's most of the time. IMO your O will need score a min of 24 points to win. I could be wrong, have been before (i am use to it I am married lol)
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Post subject: Re: New England's underrated Opportunistic Defense Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:58 am |
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NYCoug,
~~sigh~~ Yes because the seahawks front 4 are scarier than Suggs and the Ravens front 4 from years past or your LBers scarier thanRay Lewis and your safeties and cb scarier than Reed and Co.. Sigh... Brady will get sacked but he will also put points on the Board. the Hawks O needs score roughly 24 points to win MINIMUM.
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