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 Post subject: Who's the worst player on the defense - how awesome is he?
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:01 am 
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Who's the worst player on this defense? Hard to say which four "start" on the line so let's say 12

Bryant
Irvin
Branch
Mebane
Clemons

Wright
Hill
Wagner

Sherman
Browner
Chancellor
Thomas

I see some all-pros, I see some pro bowlers, and I see some above average. Nobody "bad." Nobody "average."

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These days you have to count the nickel package as well as the base defense since they see a similar number of snaps. If you do that then Tru would be the "worst" and he's still pretty good.

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Daaaaaamn! When you put it that way, it comes down to Hill or Branch and I have NO problems with Hill or Branch. Both those guys have been great.

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Chancellor hasn't had as many bone crushing hits so far this year. I say until we get our .gif reels back from him, he's the dog. ;)

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Chancellor hasn't had as many bone crushing hits so far this year. I say until we get our .gif reels back from him, he's the dog. ;)


I think he's playing smarter. In the last few weeks I've seen him make hits that dislodge the ball but also are low enough not to draw a penalty. THey aren't OOOHH AHHHH hits, but he isn't getting penalyed either. So I think he's doing great. The PI against in GB was a joke.

I'd have to say Trufant in Nickle as our weakest link, but even then he's a saavy vet.


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I'd include Jones and Truf as well as Irvin in our "base 14"

And I reckon it comes down to Hill or Truf, but since Hill as a legitimate starter, he's the "worst" player, as he's likely to see more playing time.

And I'm totally cool with that (though I still think we could improve on him without too much difficulty)


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That is one tough question. I just don't see "worst of the best" on that squad.

What is just crazy about it is the draft is where most of them came from outside of Clem, Branch, Browner (who is new to the NFL) and Jones.

Thomas
Kam
Sherman
Wright
Hill
Bryant
Irvin
Mebane
Wagner

Were all draft picks by the Hawks, 6 of them in the PC era. A bunch of guys with 3 years or less in the NFL. That is ridiculous.

These guys are playing lights out defense folks, even Clem looks like a bigger beast than he has since coming here. I just don't see a weakness for another team to expose, MAYBE forcing the linebackers to cover, but those guys are even doing that right along with Kam out there knocking the bowels out of TE's.

Wow...... Just wow..

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Sarlacc83 wrote:
Chancellor hasn't had as many bone crushing hits so far this year. I say until we get our .gif reels back from him, he's the dog. ;)


He was huge against Dallas.

I'd like to think it's a combination of other players stepping up and Qb's not wanting to lay out their WRers over the middle to Kam.

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Basis4day wrote:
Sarlacc83 wrote:
Chancellor hasn't had as many bone crushing hits so far this year. I say until we get our .gif reels back from him, he's the dog. ;)


He was huge against Dallas.

I'd like to think it's a combination of other players stepping up and Qb's not wanting to lay out their WRers over the middle to Kam.


I know. I was teasing.

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Great question. I think it's Branch, but he's still doing his job, and fairly well.

The Trufant answer seems lazy. He's a good 3rd CB, period.


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As long as we are bitching about our awesome defense, what was the deal with that Jeron Johnson Marcus Trufant overload blitz? On an otherwise great day, that blitz call was poorly times, orchestrated, and ill conceived. I'm not sure Trufant could tackle Cam Newton even if he did get to him. As soon as Seattle realized they had given away the element of surprise they have killed that call.

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I'd say it was poorly exectuted. Trufant's always shown he' a good blitze (for a CB at least).

But, the way Browner's been physically dominating everyone, I'd REALLY like to see him get a crack at it.


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Craig Terrill is clearly the worst player on our defense these days....


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I agree you have to count Tru, and that he's the worst.

Thinking more about the backups - how many teams would Jeron Johnson be a starter? How many teams would he be the best safety on the team? Love that guy, and love that he's sitting on the bench because superstars are ahead of him in most packages.

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Doesn't this thread make you all long for the days of Brian Russell?

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I remember getting SCOLDED and flamed for sayin Russell. To the point the old editor questioned if I sould even post anymore.


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if we arent talking about starters i would say trufant


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Trufant.

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Of the starters , Hill misses a lot of tackles.


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I remember getting SCOLDED and flamed for sayin Russell. To the point the old editor questioned if I sould even post anymore.


I remember this. You were pissed at Russell backing away from a tackle and wanted him cut immediately, and had to be talked down that he was keeping the play in front of him until Rocky Bernard could catch up from behind....

To be honest, I remember thinking Deon Grant and BRuss were HUGELY improved over the days of Boulware and whoever we had opposite Boulware on any given Sunday.


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Of the starters , Hill misses a lot of tackles.

My guess is next draft that is addressed. Not them at I don't like Hill. I do. Was just thinking that during the game. I thought and do think he plays well.


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Funny I was just thinking about how good this defense is across the board and I wondered who the worst player is. Low and behold someone posts a thread about it. Not that Hill is a bad player but currently I'd say he's the laggard. And to think in Holmy's last year and Mora's one only year there was nobody in the whole team that was a league star (or up and coming) at their position.

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jkitsune wrote:
pehawk wrote:
I remember getting SCOLDED and flamed for sayin Russell. To the point the old editor questioned if I sould even post anymore.


I remember this. You were pissed at Russell backing away from a tackle and wanted him cut immediately, and had to be talked down that he was keeping the play in front of him until Rocky Bernard could catch up from behind....

To be honest, I remember thinking Deon Grant and BRuss were HUGELY improved over the days of Boulware and whoever we had opposite Boulware on any given Sunday.


Still haven't changed my mind.

Oh, and keyboards on new laptops, BLOW.


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pehawk wrote:
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I remember getting SCOLDED and flamed for sayin Russell. To the point the old editor questioned if I sould even post anymore.


I remember this. You were pissed at Russell backing away from a tackle and wanted him cut immediately, and had to be talked down that he was keeping the play in front of him until Rocky Bernard could catch up from behind....

To be honest, I remember thinking Deon Grant and BRuss were HUGELY improved over the days of Boulware and whoever we had opposite Boulware on any given Sunday.


Still haven't changed my mind.

Oh, and keyboards on new laptops, BLOW.


Almost as bad as Boulware and Hamlin blew.


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Great question. I think it's Branch, but he's still doing his job, and fairly well.

'Worst' isn't a good description. But Branch is definitely the least awesome. But that is NOT to mean he's not good, just not AS good.

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The worst player on our D is any player from the O. They hurt our D more than the D does...right?

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Counting only players from our base 4-3 defense (so not including Trufant, Johnson, Smith, etc), I'd say Leroy Hill. Hill has pretty much been the definition of average this season.

Chancellor is probably the 2nd "worst." He's still a good player, but this year he's more pedestrian whereas last year he was making plays everywhere. It could just be that our defense is so good now that he has less opportunities to make impact plays.

Jason Jones is the 3rd "worst" if you count him as a starter. He's not bad against the run, but so far he's looked like our 3rd best pass rusher at DT. Both Mebane and Branch have created more pressure. In my own observations, at least. Jones is an okay player, but I wouldn't bring him back for another $5 million if I was the GM. I'd definitely bring back Branch though, he can back up Mebane and play 3 tech too. I didn't think it was possible to have a more under-rated season coming off an under-rated season, but Branch is doing just that.


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