FlyingGreg wrote:And for all you so excited to see Flynn, just remember a few things: He didn't do squat in the pre-season, has not thrown the ball much at all the last few months with his elbow, he has the same lack of true targets to throw to as Wilson does, and Bevell is still the play caller.
Anyone expecting Flynn to ride in on a white horse and throw for 300 yds is going to be very, very disappointed.
bestfightstory wrote:GOOD!
Not sure I believe C Mortenson but I want whoever is on the field to play well. To play better than Wilson has been thus far this year.
Let it be Wilson. That's fine with me and I will be cheering as loudly as any of you.
If not, get him out of there, please. I don't want to suffer the learning curve at the expense of wins.
theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Hasselbeck
Whitehurst
Jackson
Wilson
Flynn
You can't have five starting quarterbacks in two and a quarter seasons and expect to be a contender. Carroll needs to make a decision and stick to it.
amill87 wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:And for all you so excited to see Flynn, just remember a few things: He didn't do squat in the pre-season, has not thrown the ball much at all the last few months with his elbow, he has the same lack of true targets to throw to as Wilson does, and Bevell is still the play caller.
Anyone expecting Flynn to ride in on a white horse and throw for 300 yds is going to be very, very disappointed.
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And if he does? Will you say it's because his line protected better, the receivers ran better routes, and Bevell called a better game?
Noone expects Flynn to throw for 300 yards (even though in one game he has thrown for more yards and TDs than Wilson has in his career) but hoping for a QB that can step up in the pocket, not make the receivers jump to catch balls, and hit wide open guys really isn't too much....
Largent80 wrote:Watch his receivers, are they coming back to the ball to help him out if he has to run, and can/will they hold onto the ball when it is thrown their way.......?
Largent80 wrote:Here is a challenge for everyone so concerned about QB and want to assign all the blame on him.
Actually watch his supporting cast today...YOU KNOW?...The people he has to depend on to keep the other team from trying to stop him.
Start with the middle of the O-Line, then work out from there. Watch his receivers, are they coming back to the ball to help him out if he has to run, and can/will they hold onto the ball when it is thrown their way.......?
bestfightstory wrote:theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Hasselbeck
Whitehurst
Jackson
Wilson
Flynn
You can't have five starting quarterbacks in two and a quarter seasons and expect to be a contender. Carroll needs to make a decision and stick to it.
BUT you CAN have 4???? Are we just now on the threshold?
Largent80 wrote:Here is a challenge for everyone so concerned about QB and want to assign all the blame on him.
Actually watch his supporting cast today...YOU KNOW?...The people he has to depend on to keep the other team from trying to stop him.
Start with the middle of the O-Line, then work out from there. Watch his receivers, are they coming back to the ball to help him out if he has to run, and can/will they hold onto the ball when it is thrown their way.......?
FlyingGreg wrote:And for all you so excited to see Flynn, just remember a few things: He didn't do squat in the pre-season, has not thrown the ball much at all the last few months with his elbow, he has the same lack of true targets to throw to as Wilson does, and Bevell is still the play caller.
Anyone expecting Flynn to ride in on a white horse and throw for 300 yds is going to be very, very disappointed.
FlyingGreg wrote:amill87 wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:And for all you so excited to see Flynn, just remember a few things: He didn't do squat in the pre-season, has not thrown the ball much at all the last few months with his elbow, he has the same lack of true targets to throw to as Wilson does, and Bevell is still the play caller.
Anyone expecting Flynn to ride in on a white horse and throw for 300 yds is going to be very, very disappointed.
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And if he does? Will you say it's because his line protected better, the receivers ran better routes, and Bevell called a better game?
Noone expects Flynn to throw for 300 yards (even though in one game he has thrown for more yards and TDs than Wilson has in his career) but hoping for a QB that can step up in the pocket, not make the receivers jump to catch balls, and hit wide open guys really isn't too much....
NO ... I'll give him credit if he does. I just don't think it's going to be like flicking a switch - Flynn was check down Charlie in the pre-season. He just looked....blah.
FlyingGreg wrote:amill87 wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:And for all you so excited to see Flynn, just remember a few things: He didn't do squat in the pre-season, has not thrown the ball much at all the last few months with his elbow, he has the same lack of true targets to throw to as Wilson does, and Bevell is still the play caller.
Anyone expecting Flynn to ride in on a white horse and throw for 300 yds is going to be very, very disappointed.
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And if he does? Will you say it's because his line protected better, the receivers ran better routes, and Bevell called a better game?
Noone expects Flynn to throw for 300 yards (even though in one game he has thrown for more yards and TDs than Wilson has in his career) but hoping for a QB that can step up in the pocket, not make the receivers jump to catch balls, and hit wide open guys really isn't too much....
NO ... I'll give him credit if he does. I just don't think it's going to be like flicking a switch - Flynn was check down Charlie in the pre-season. He just looked....blah.
Yeah, I've heard the same tired story of how great Flynn was in all two of his NFL starts. The problem that people conveniently leave out is he was throwing to Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Randall Cobb, and Jermichael Finley. Doesn't exactly match up with our talent at WR/TE, does it? For all that budding All Pro buzz he built terrorizing the vaunted Lions defense in that game last season, it sure didn't translate to much demand on the free agent market, did it? Teams realize he was set-up for success in Green Bay way more than he would be anywhere else. That could all change, of course. Just how I see it now.
And if we switch to Flynn, any cohesion developing whatsoever goes out the window and it's a re-start. I thought it was an odd decision to start Wilson to begin with, but once you put him out there I feel you have to let him endure the growing pains.
But no, if they do switch I'll support Flynn. I just think people should temper expectations.
FlyingGreg wrote: Wilson is struggling. No question. But a lot of those around him are struggling too, including his coaches.
bestfightstory wrote:GOOD!
Not sure I believe C Mortenson but I want whoever is on the field to play well. To play better than Wilson has been thus far this year.
Let it be Wilson. That's fine with me and I will be cheering as loudly as any of you.
If not, get him out of there, please. I don't want to suffer the learning curve at the expense of wins.
amill87 wrote:You do know that Wilson has been check down charlie so far right?
oh and how did the preseason work out for Kolb? Saying "Flynn was blah in preseason, so that is relevant to him in the regular season but when he actually played in the regular season, it isn't" is just lazy.
VHawk wrote:This really makes for an interesting day and season.RW should be able to step up if he is the player we all think he is,and on the other side Matt Flynn should be ready to play and make a statement that is what he was brought here for and has been groomed in Green Bay for.
m0ng0 wrote:Largent80 wrote:Watch his receivers, are they coming back to the ball to help him out if he has to run, and can/will they hold onto the ball when it is thrown their way.......?
I think you just touched on a part of the bigger problem as the receivers don't know if they should finish their routes or look to start blocking as they have no idea what he is going to do with the ball once he starts moving, as the season goes on I am hoping they start to develop a little more chemistry. It is definitely a 2 way street in that regard.
With Flynn they know to finish their routes as Matt is not very mobile and has a quicker release.
The Radish wrote:m0ng0 wrote:Largent80 wrote:Watch his receivers, are they coming back to the ball to help him out if he has to run, and can/will they hold onto the ball when it is thrown their way.......?
I think you just touched on a part of the bigger problem as the receivers don't know if they should finish their routes or look to start blocking as they have no idea what he is going to do with the ball once he starts moving, as the season goes on I am hoping they start to develop a little more chemistry. It is definitely a 2 way street in that regard.
With Flynn they know to finish their routes as Matt is not very mobile and has a quicker release.
That's bs mongo. All receivers are supposed to finish their routes and come back to help their QB when he's in trouble.
Seahawk Sailor wrote:Hey, at least this season we can afford to throw Flynn in there and blow a game to prove a point, if that's what it comes to.
theENGLISHseahawk wrote:bestfightstory wrote:theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Hasselbeck
Whitehurst
Jackson
Wilson
Flynn
You can't have five starting quarterbacks in two and a quarter seasons and expect to be a contender. Carroll needs to make a decision and stick to it.
BUT you CAN have 4???? Are we just now on the threshold?
Who said you can have four? I'm quoting the number that exists, not saying we've now reached the tipping point. Clearly you can't have a carousel at QB for two and a half years and expect to win more football games than you lose.
Tech Worlds wrote:No. you MUST have that carousel at QB until you are convinced that you have settled on the right guy.
FlyingGreg wrote:
No it's not lazy, you are missing the point. I'll slow it down for you: Carroll made the decision based more on what he saw in the pre-season games. Which QB looked far more exciting in the pre-season? Please take the Flynn bumper sticker off before you answer, because it was way beyond obvious who it is. Are there mitigating factors for that? Sure...Wilson played against mostly 2nd and 3rd stringers, no scheming, etc. I get that. But remember, I'm stating why I think Wilson was named the starter - as we have rehashed endlessly in here.
amill87 wrote:At the core of my concerns is Carroll really doesn't know how to handle QBs. He has yet to prove at the pro level he knows what makes a good QB. This report only confirms what I'm afraid is true. One, Carroll made a bad decision to start with. Two, he thinks he can just move QBs in and out like they are a lineman.
MontanaHawk05 wrote:amill87 wrote:At the core of my concerns is Carroll really doesn't know how to handle QBs. He has yet to prove at the pro level he knows what makes a good QB. This report only confirms what I'm afraid is true. One, Carroll made a bad decision to start with. Two, he thinks he can just move QBs in and out like they are a lineman.
I see where you're going, but let me try and rephrase this in a way that doesn't make PC look like such a convenient idiot. I believe he thinks he can apply the motivational "competition" mantra to each position equally and is finding out that QB is different. Or perhaps he has never faced this equal of a QB race before.
amill87 wrote:Right now imo he is 0 for 3 with QBs (I consider letting Hass walk a bad move).
MontanaHawk05 wrote:amill87 wrote:Right now imo he is 0 for 3 with QBs (I consider letting Hass walk a bad move).
Oh. Well, if you're basing your opinion on QB failures that had no better alternatives, I guess I'm not going to be able to see eye to eye with you.
amill87 wrote:Maybe 0 for 3 is a bit rough on him. There were alternatives to Whitehurst and keeping Hass around may have paid off with the team we now have (a savy veteran with a strong run game and good defense sounds good right about now).
FlyingGreg wrote:And for all you so excited to see Flynn, just remember a few things: He didn't do squat in the pre-season, has not thrown the ball much at all the last few months with his elbow, he has the same lack of true targets to throw to as Wilson does, and Bevell is still the play caller.
Anyone expecting Flynn to ride in on a white horse and throw for 300 yds is going to be very, very disappointed.
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