QBs and obstructed vision, not just Russell

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  • Hawkblogger has a nice write up about Earl Thomas being under rated.

    But there's something else in the article about Mebane being double-teamed and how it obstructed Bradford's vision. So it's not only Russell that has his sight line restricted

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  • Very few quarterbacks in the NFL are tall enough to see over their offensive line at all times. Even if a 6'5" lineman loses 3 inches from being bent at the waist as he engages a defender, a 6'3" QB will have only an inch advantage and will only see flashes of the top of a distant receiver's helmet amongst a roiling sea of arms and shoulders on his line.

    And once your QB is tall enough to consistently see over, the defense can read his eyes all the time and Scottemojo starts muttering "daddy long-legs".

    Every QB is dependent on his offensive line to create passing lanes. Wilson may be somewhat more dependent, but every QB is dependent to some degree.
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  • The only thinh the defene will read in RW's eyes is touchdown!
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  • I thought Moon explained it pretty well when he said that ALL Quarterbacks miss seeing an open receiver a lot of the time, and just because we can see the open guys from the stands, or on our TVs, doesn't mean that the Quarterback hasn't already seen the COVERED Receiver who might get open just an instant later.
    Because the speed of the play is mere seconds, the Quarterback has to go thru his progressions extreemely fast, it's easy to NOT see your target come open, and it happens to ALL Quarterbacks reguardless of their height.
    Rodgers took 8 sacks in 1/2 game, and it wasn't because he was too short either.

    On another note tho, The reason that Largent was so adept at making so many clutch catches, is because he would often spend a lot of extra time after team practices, working out his routes with his Quarterbacks.
    It takes dedication to hone your craft to that degree.

    You can bet your a$$ that Jerry Rice wasn't just a game day Receiver , Fitzgerald Etc.

    Are all Wilsons throws perfect, hell no, but neither is anyone elses, not all the time anyways.

    It's been mentioned before in here that Baldwin isn't doing so great?, I think it's time for our Receivers to put in the extra work for our Offense.
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  • The issue may be what does his size make him have to look past. Most qb's get their vision blocked but its by someone's helmet. Wilson may be short enough that it is also by the guys shoulders which would basically triple the size of the blind spot.
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  • Part of it is the WR has to see the QB throw the ball. A comment was made that it takes the WR 2/3 of a second longer to see the ball if a short QB throws it. In 2/3 of a second with a ball going 50 MPH it could travel 8 yards.
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  • With Baldwin, I just don't think that he has the rapport with Russell Wilson. Remember that Doug didn't play in any of the pre-season games. He had a whole off-season with T-Jack, including the majority of the reps.

    It's clear that Russell has no connection with any of our receivers yet.
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  • ET was insanely fast on that play. He really is an underrated player. And that's saying something considering he's Pro Bowl level.
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  • scutterhawk wrote:You can bet your a$$ that Jerry Rice wasn't just a game day Receiver , Fitzgerald Etc.



    I heard Jerry Rice say after he retired that he had over 100 receiving plays he had to memorize, and that was the key to their winning pass offense, as they never had to call the same play twice and always had a counter to any given defense, he also said his work ethic was something like 6 am to 9pm and that he ate, slept, and dreamed football, winning football.
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  • Twisted wrote:
    scutterhawk wrote:You can bet your a$$ that Jerry Rice wasn't just a game day Receiver , Fitzgerald Etc.



    I heard Jerry Rice say after he retired that he had over 100 receiving plays he had to memorize, and that was the key to their winning pass offense, as they never had to call the same play twice and always had a counter to any given defense, he also said his work ethic was something like 6 am to 9pm and that he ate, slept, and dreamed football, winning football.

    IIRC Jerry Rice once said that football games were won on Wednesdays and Thursdays. ;)
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:Very few quarterbacks in the NFL are tall enough to see over their offensive line at all times. Even if a 6'5" lineman loses 3 inches from being bent at the waist as he engages a defender, a 6'3" QB will have only an inch advantage and will only see flashes of the top of a distant receiver's helmet amongst a roiling sea of arms and shoulders on his line.

    And once your QB is tall enough to consistently see over, the defense can read his eyes all the time and Scottemojo starts muttering "daddy long-legs".

    Every QB is dependent on his offensive line to create passing lanes. Wilson may be somewhat more dependent, but every QB is dependent to some degree.


    Very, very few interior linemen are 6'5". OT's are often this height, but they end up out of the QB's sight-lines.

    When a QB's eyes can be read, it allows them to "look off" a defender, and helps a good QB get receivers open.

    It's pretty simple: Wilson needs to show that he can throw short passes to a hot receiver without perfect throwing lanes, or his height is a huge problem. These are usually the easiest passes for a rookie to complete, and absolutely necessary to beat the blitz.
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