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SalishHawkFan
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Post subject: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:30 pm |
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We've had 20 plays ran against us on 3rd and 10+ (I'm not including plays where penalties were called). Of those 20 plays, 9 were converted into first downs. That may sound bad enough, but in fact, if you look closer, it's worse. 4 of those plays were 3rd and 20+ and our opponent either ran the ball and punted or made a short pass. Considering that 3rd and 20+ should be nearly impossible to convert, let's take those plays out and look at 3rd and 10-19.
Now we see we're allowing first downs in 9 of 16 plays. Over half the time we give up a first down. But it's actually quite worse.
Two of those plays the opponent just ran the ball, making no real effort to get the first down (buried in their own endzone, etc.) So actually, when the opponent has 3rd and 10 to 19 yards to go and they pass the ball, they convert 9 out of 14 times. That's flat out horrendous.
Of the 20 3rd and 10+ plays, the opponent gained 193 yards. We got one sack.
Take out the running plays and the 3rd and 20+ and our opponents racked up 157 yards on 14 plays. 4 incompletions and 1 sack. We are giving up over 11 yards a play when the opponent passes on us on 3rd and 10-19. The typical completion is for 17+ yards!!! If they complete a pass on 3rd and long, which they will do 64% of the time, they will gain 17+ yards on that play.
This is obscene. Does anyone ever remember seeing anything like this? Even the old 3rdDownsRUs Defense™ of the Holmgren era wasn't that bad was it?
_________________ Richard Sherman doesn't just wanna get in your head, he wants to build a vacation home there.
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jkitsune
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:31 pm |
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It was that bad. It has continued.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:32 pm |
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It's pretty rough, and needs to be addressed. Pete reckons it's an easy fix. If that's the case, we need to see it legitimately 'fixed' this coming weekend.
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SalishHawkFan
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:33 pm |
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Pete reckoned Breno's penalties were an easy fix. Pete reckons everything is an easy fix. If they're so easy to fix, why hasn't he fixed them?
_________________ Richard Sherman doesn't just wanna get in your head, he wants to build a vacation home there.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:35 pm |
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The one that made me want to blow a gasket on Sunday, 4th quarter with the game 16-13, 3rd and 13, Bradford found a guy for a huge conversion. That play made a big difference in winning or losing the game and I think it's reasonable to believe this defense should stop that from happening.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:40 pm |
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This has to be Russell Wilson's fault. He's too short. Start Flynn.
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Aros
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:41 pm |
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I'm no X's and O's guy but is part of the problem because we're playing soft coverage on the 3rd and longs? Why aren't we seeing any creative blitzing, safety/corner blitzes to hurry the passer to limit those big conversions?
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:44 pm |
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Aros wrote: I'm no X's and O's guy but is part of the problem because we're playing soft coverage on the 3rd and longs? Why aren't we seeing any creative blitzing, safety/corner blitzes to hurry the passer to limit those big conversions? You wouldn't want to do a safety/corner blitz in that situation (except as a surprise). A big way to give up yards on 3 and long is to leave a WR uncovered.
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SalishHawkFan
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:01 pm |
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By QB: Skelton 0-2 Rodgers: 2-3 26 yards Romo: 2-3 40 yards Bradford: 5-6 91 yards
Obviously, the solution is to have opposing teams start Skelton.
_________________ Richard Sherman doesn't just wanna get in your head, he wants to build a vacation home there.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:14 pm |
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Hurting Skelton may have been the worst thing we could have done this season.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:37 pm |
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It reminds me of the John Marshall soft zones of a few years ago. It makes no sense to me to play aggressively on other downs - and be successful - and then play a defense totally against what we usually play.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:43 pm |
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This has been going on for a long time. Pete has done nothing to address it. This is not a talent issue, we have the right personel to stop those plays. This all goes on Pete and Bradley.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:45 pm |
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That slant to Amendola, over and over again had me saying filthy words.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:05 pm |
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1st Down: Pressure the Quarterback 2nd Down: Pressure the Quarterback 3rd Down: Rush three and play prevent
Repeat.
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SalishHawkFan
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:13 pm |
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IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote: 1st Down: Pressure the Quarterback 2nd Down: Pressure the Quarterback 3rd Down: Rush three and play prevent
Repeat. It all makes perfect sense now. 1st Down: hand off to Lynch for 4 2nd Down: hand off to Lynch for 5 3rd Down: pass the ball. I feel like I've been Enlightened. It's the meaning of life...or something....
_________________ Richard Sherman doesn't just wanna get in your head, he wants to build a vacation home there.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:53 pm |
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SalishHawkFan wrote: IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote: 1st Down: Pressure the Quarterback 2nd Down: Pressure the Quarterback 3rd Down: Rush three and play prevent
Repeat. It all makes perfect sense now. 1st Down: hand off to Lynch for 4 2nd Down: hand off to Lynch for 5 3rd Down: pass the ball. I feel like I've been Enlightened. It's the meaning of life...or something.... This is very much what it feels like. In the Rams game alone, there were I believe five times where we gave up long passes on third and long to allow a conversion. And two of those drives we had multiple third and 10+ opportunities and blew them all. Those conversions led to all but SIX points for the Rams.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:04 pm |
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That is ugly...but they are giving up very few points. Just wait til we get this 3rd and long thing figured out with this very young D....Goodell will likely create more rule changes to protect the opposition.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:54 pm |
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I am getting irritated when I watch the game defense is wiping the floor with the opponent and then 3rd and long we all the sudden go soft. We are a tough hard hitting team and it needs to be used at all times.
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:02 pm |
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Hawk Strap wrote: That slant to Amendola, over and over again had me saying filthy words. is it just me or have we been saying filthy words for many many years
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Post subject: Re: Our defensive stats on 3rd and 10+ Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:29 pm |
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Zebulon Dak wrote: This has to be Russell Wilson's fault. He's too short. Start Flynn. I'll say this: Wilson is definitely an Athlete and you are definitely an athletic supporter.
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