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  • I'm sure David Stern will find some way to screw this up for Seattle.
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  • Paul Allen on the subject:

    "It was a sad day when the Sonics left Seattle, a move I opposed. It’s exciting to think about the NBA coming back to Seattle and renewing the rivalry with the Portland Trail Blazers. However, it is too early for me to comment any further without a specific plan or proposal to review."


    Personally as a Portlander, and Oregonian, i'm hoping the NBA happens in Seattle (couldnt care less about the NHL). Its getting old having the Ducks, and to a lesser extent the Beavs, whoop up on the Huskies and Cougs all the time. We need another Seattle sport team we can whoop up on. :D
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  • JSeahawks wrote:Paul Allen on the subject:

    "It was a sad day when the Sonics left Seattle, a move I opposed. It’s exciting to think about the NBA coming back to Seattle and renewing the rivalry with the Portland Trail Blazers. However, it is too early for me to comment any further without a specific plan or proposal to review."


    Personally as a Portlander, and Oregonian, i'm hoping the NBA happens in Seattle (couldnt care less about the NHL). Its getting old having the Ducks, and to a lesser extent the Beavs, whoop up on the Huskies and Cougs all the time. We need another Seattle sport team we can whoop up on. :D



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  • Smurf wrote:500M private funding, 200M from the public, which would be payed back in a self funded way. No new taxes. Thats the huge part IMO.


    Yea, that's big! All eventually privately funded, because the 200M from the public would be paid back in rent monies. This is as close to perfect as anyone could ever hope for with a stadium deal.
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  • Smurf wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:Paul Allen on the subject:

    "It was a sad day when the Sonics left Seattle, a move I opposed. It’s exciting to think about the NBA coming back to Seattle and renewing the rivalry with the Portland Trail Blazers. However, it is too early for me to comment any further without a specific plan or proposal to review."


    Personally as a Portlander, and Oregonian, i'm hoping the NBA happens in Seattle (couldnt care less about the NHL). Its getting old having the Ducks, and to a lesser extent the Beavs, whoop up on the Huskies and Cougs all the time. We need another Seattle sport team we can whoop up on. :D



    Don't forget the Sounders...and how we keep kicking your ass...


    My bad, I thought we were talking about real, grown up sports. :D

    In seriousness though, and not to derail this thread, but I tried getting into the MLS and the Timbers last year because i really enjoy international soccer, it lasted for about a month or two and then I grew bored with it.

    Different strokes for different folks i guess.
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  • On Thursday, the City of Seattle officially introduced the proposal it received for a new arena that would house both an NBA and NHL franchise.


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    http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2012/2/16/2 ... ises-first

    Not sure if someone has posted that already but its still exciting!!!
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  • Emily Heffter @EmilyHeffter
    Arena construction would not start until both an NBA and NHL team are acquired. It includes no new taxes.

    Is that accurate? That seems like a tall order to coordinate with two separate sports leagues when it's already tough enough to get a team, but to time it accordingly so this gets done seems tougher.
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  • it seems to me like they're just going to build it no matter what happens in Sactown. Even if the NHL comes first.
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  • pinksheets wrote:Emily Heffter @EmilyHeffter
    Arena construction would not start until both an NBA and NHL team are acquired. It includes no new taxes.

    Is that accurate? That seems like a tall order to coordinate with two separate sports leagues when it's already tough enough to get a team, but to time it accordingly so this gets done seems tougher.


    I keep hearing it's at least one.... who ever commits first (an NBA team or and NHL team), then construction begins. That does seem crazy difficult to try and coordinate acquiring both at the same time to pull off the arena plan.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:Paul Allen on the subject:

    "It was a sad day when the Sonics left Seattle, a move I opposed. It’s exciting to think about the NBA coming back to Seattle and renewing the rivalry with the Portland Trail Blazers. However, it is too early for me to comment any further without a specific plan or proposal to review."


    Personally as a Portlander, and Oregonian, i'm hoping the NBA happens in Seattle (couldnt care less about the NHL). Its getting old having the Ducks, and to a lesser extent the Beavs, whoop up on the Huskies and Cougs all the time. We need another Seattle sport team we can whoop up on. :D


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  • Tech Worlds wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:Paul Allen on the subject:

    "It was a sad day when the Sonics left Seattle, a move I opposed. It’s exciting to think about the NBA coming back to Seattle and renewing the rivalry with the Portland Trail Blazers. However, it is too early for me to comment any further without a specific plan or proposal to review."


    Personally as a Portlander, and Oregonian, i'm hoping the NBA happens in Seattle (couldnt care less about the NHL). Its getting old having the Ducks, and to a lesser extent the Beavs, whoop up on the Huskies and Cougs all the time. We need another Seattle sport team we can whoop up on. :D


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    I wouldnt want, or expect it, any other way. Thats what makes rivalries fun. Hopefully they find a way to get the new Sonics into the Northwest division.
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  • 5 words for you blazer fans

    Sam Bowie and Greg Oden
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  • Throwdown wrote:5 words for you blazer fans

    Sam Bowie and Greg Oden


    :D

    Might as well throw Brandon Roy in the mix too. But I wont play this game til its signed, sealed and delivered that you have a new team.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:5 words for you blazer fans

    Sam Bowie and Greg Oden


    :D

    Might as well throw Brandon Roy in the mix too. But I wont play this game til its signed, sealed and delivered that you have a new team.


    lol I miss trash talking with Blazer fans, i can't help myself sometimes.
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  • Just curious, do the Huskies have a pretty nice on campus basketball arena or will they likely use the new arena as well?
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  • JSeahawks wrote:Just curious, do the Huskies have a pretty nice on campus basketball arena or will they likely use the new arena as well?


    Hec Ed just got renovated and is pretty nice (for a college arena).
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  • twisted_steel2 wrote:
    pinksheets wrote:Emily Heffter @EmilyHeffter
    Arena construction would not start until both an NBA and NHL team are acquired. It includes no new taxes.

    Is that accurate? That seems like a tall order to coordinate with two separate sports leagues when it's already tough enough to get a team, but to time it accordingly so this gets done seems tougher.


    I keep hearing it's at least one.... who ever commits first (an NBA team or and NHL team), then construction begins. That does seem crazy difficult to try and coordinate acquiring both at the same time to pull off the arena plan.

    Reports say that we need both NHL and NBA for them to break ground.

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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
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  • Throwdown wrote:5 words for you blazer fans

    Sam Bowie and Greg Oden


    If you wanna talk smack at a blazer fan only 2 words are necessary: Raymond Felton.

    Geeesh, our starting point guard had more turnovers then points, rebounds and assists combined tonight. 0-7 shooting, 2 assists, 2 rebounds, 5 turnovers. He might be the worst player in the NBA this season and Nate refuses to bench him.
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  • So from what I understand from listening to a few sports talk radio shows with hosts I can't name, I'm feeling pretty optimistic.

    The consensus seems to be that there's probably a decent amount worked out behind the scenes with the NBA and NHL for things to have gotten to this point, as there's little chance they'd make a big spectacle like they did yesterday if things weren't looking very, very likely.

    Also, about having to secure two teams, it sounds like it's not as tough as I thought. We might not specifically get told 'the Coyotes are coming your way', but we could get an agreement that 'a team' will come to Seattle within a certain time frame and that should suffice.
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  • Another aspect of this that is noteworthy... All the talk you hear from both league's (NBA, NHL) leadership and different city officials all saying "this team is not leaving (insert city name here)", don't believe them. What else are they going to say? They can't say "Yeah, they're outta here". It's all BS. All that would do is incite hysteria from the fans in whatever city they said that about. They have to stay mum and tippy-toe around the issue, even if they know damn well they're going to relocate. So, when Stern says New Orleans is off the table, don't think for a second that it's true. He has to save face eventually and blame it on someone else.
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  • How else can you expect the NBA to leverage the city of Sacramento if they say that the Hornets are available.

    You can tell that Stern is lying when his lips move.
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  • Last year there was speculation that the Atlanta Thrashers were moving to Winnepeg. All throughout the last quarter of the season and thru the playoffs everyone involved denied it. Then as soon as the Cup was awarded the news came pouring out that the Jets were back and that it was a done deal for like the longest time. (I assume when the speculation started). This time last year it was rumoured that the league had prepared two schedules for 2011/12, one with Atlanta one with Winnipeg. This year there is no such rumours so I'd assume that it's either a done deal or a complete no go. I'd guess that it's a done deal.

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  • "However, TSN notes that the NHL might not be interested in leaving Atlanta just yet. "We've been working with local ownership for quite a long time now, in terms of trying to find a new local ownership in that market," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told TSN. "Luckily, that has gone largely under the radar screen, but the fact of the matter is that it has been transpiring. We believe what we say, which is that we're committed to the markets in which we put our franchises. We should make all reasonable efforts to keep franchises there."

    Sound familiar?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/rumors/post ... nhl-353508
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  • Yoonhawk wrote:"However, TSN notes that the NHL might not be interested in leaving Atlanta just yet. "We've been working with local ownership for quite a long time now, in terms of trying to find a new local ownership in that market," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told TSN. "Luckily, that has gone largely under the radar screen, but the fact of the matter is that it has been transpiring. We believe what we say, which is that we're committed to the markets in which we put our franchises. We should make all reasonable efforts to keep franchises there."

    Sound familiar?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/rumors/post ... nhl-353508


    Exactly what I was referring to. Total BS. They want the fans in these doomed cities to keep attending the games and spending their dollars while feeling reassured by statements like this that the league and government is "on their side". Pshaw! We've been there, done that, and know better.

    I believe that as far as this proposal has gone, the insiders on this deal already know what's going to transpire in the next couple years. We're just not privvy to it, and won't be until it actually happens. JMHO.
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  • Breaking news on the phoenix coyotes front. Paul Silvi just reported on King5 news that a guy name Greg Jamison has just been approved by the NHL to purchase the franchise. It is unclear if he intends to keep the team in Phoenix. I got the feeling that that's exactly what he intends to do. No panic though. After quite a bit of research, I've discovered that there are at least 5 NHL teams that could be had. Do your Google research, 'cause there ain't much as of this posting.
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  • Not to sound like a Debbie Downer, but I am not so convinced this city will support 4 professional teams.

    We will see but I my reservations.

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  • Seattle has never had a problem supporting its teams, i don't see why that would change now. they welcomed the sounders with open arms and that looked great to any sport looking to move this way. I'm no hockey fan but if we got a team i would be all over that and would watch/go to games all the time.
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  • Msfann wrote:Seattle has never had a problem supporting its teams, i don't see why that would change now. they welcomed the sounders with open arms and that looked great to any sport looking to move this way. I'm no hockey fan but if we got a team i would be all over that and would watch/go to games all the time.


    We support our teams when they win. No doubt. But nobody in the country is going to confuse us with a great sports town.

    I am all over having more teams. I know that I don't have the coin to attend more then a handful of hockey or basketball games. Not with my current commitment to the Seahawks.

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  • Tech Worlds wrote:
    Msfann wrote:Seattle has never had a problem supporting its teams, i don't see why that would change now. they welcomed the sounders with open arms and that looked great to any sport looking to move this way. I'm no hockey fan but if we got a team i would be all over that and would watch/go to games all the time.


    We support our teams when they win. No doubt. But nobody in the country is going to confuse us with a great sports town.

    I am all over having more teams. I know that I don't have the coin to attend more then a handful of hockey or basketball games. Not with my current commitment to the Seahawks.

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    But teams make more money off people watching at home due to commercials and the revenue that generates, where was the most money they can get off of you is the high price of concessions.
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  • BlueThunder wrote:Breaking news on the phoenix coyotes front. Paul Silvi just reported on King5 news that a guy name Greg Jamison has just been approved by the NHL to purchase the franchise. It is unclear if he intends to keep the team in Phoenix. I got the feeling that that's exactly what he intends to do. No panic though. After quite a bit of research, I've discovered that there are at least 5 NHL teams that could be had. Do your Google research, 'cause there ain't much as of this posting.


    Thats not good news for us.......Yes there are other franchises that our in hot water, but not nearly warm enough for them to fear relocation in the near future.
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  • Tech Worlds wrote:Not to sound like a Debbie Downer, but I am not so convinced this city will support 4 professional teams.

    We will see but I my reservations.


    It will definatly be interesting to see what happens to the Mariners and the Seahawks attendance if both the NBA and NHL do end up in Seattle. The Sounders should do pretty well since that's still basically a niche sport in our country (no offense Smurf). I'm guessing the two new teams will do really well for the first couple years whether they're winning or not due to being the new, hot thing in town. I can definatly imagine both the Seahawks and especially Mariners attendance numbers plummeting if they don't become winners.

    I think tech brings up a pretty valid point here. I know most income comes from advertising, corporate suites and such, but still owners don't want to see empty seats, and if the region is oversaturated with sporting options I think thats a very real possibility. Plus there's only so much sporting advertising to go around.

    I'm sure us old time Seahawk fans can remember half empty kingdomes with half the people that were in attendance wearing Raider gear.
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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
  • I think we are sports fans with differing degrees of fanaticism to each different sport.

    For myself I would go:

    #1 Seahawks (Fall/Winter)
    #2 Sonics (Winter/Spring
    #3 UW Football (Fall/Winter)
    #4 Mariners (Spring/Summer)
    #5 UW Basketball (Winter Spring)
    #6 Sounders (I have no clue)
    #7 Local NHL Team (I have no clue)

    I mean seriously, MLS and NHL has like 1 week off between season. I'm pretty sure.

    While it's a valid point that every fan only has so many dollars to spend, that doesn't mean that they would stop following the team on TV. More money is generated through TV rights than ticket sales. I don't think it would be an issue at all.
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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:40 pm
  • Well reading up on the Coyotes potentially staying in Phoenix because of a local buyer, my confidence in the arena deal and getting two teams to start the arena build is well less than it was yesterday. Man I really want a NBA and NHL team, but besides a really good plan in place we have a lot of cards stacked against us.
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  • sammyc521 wrote:I think we are sports fans with differing degrees of fanaticism to each different sport.

    For myself I would go:

    #1 Seahawks (Fall/Winter)
    #2 Sonics (Winter/Spring
    #3 UW Football (Fall/Winter)
    #4 Mariners (Spring/Summer)
    #5 UW Basketball (Winter Spring)
    #6 Sounders (I have no clue)
    #7 Local NHL Team (I have no clue)

    I mean seriously, MLS and NHL has like 1 week off between season. I'm pretty sure.

    While it's a valid point that every fan only has so many dollars to spend, that doesn't mean that they would stop following the team on TV. More money is generated through TV rights than ticket sales. I don't think it would be an issue at all.


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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:50 am
  • It does comply with that stupid 2006 measure. But the public will put in some money but it goes back through rent and ticket sales taxes. So I don't see where this article gets that it doesn't comply? They wouldn't hold a press conference if it didn't.

    C'mon Sacramento, quit hating and worry about yourselves, we are waiting in the bushes with our sights set on the Kings. Stop worrying about us and handle the business you've been struggling to handle well before even the Sonics left town.
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  • Well with the proposition presented to the City and announced on the radio and TV the poker game begins in earnest. This will be like coaches stating what they are going to do for the draft. Lots of rumors, innuendos, misinformation and misdirection being played out so the actual participants can avoid the wrath and questions of fan bases and disruption of the actual deals. Besides after all we went thru here in Seattle with the Sonics do you really believe anything said by any participants involved in these things till all the cards are dealt and the players have been called to show their hands.
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  • http://www.q13fox.com/sports/kcpq-if-se ... 7543.story

    This has some good info on the Sonic's history, naming/logo rights, and who owns what.

    In a 2008 settlement agreement, former Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels and city council president Richard Conlin signed an agreement with Bennett that split up the teams’ assets and naming rights.

    What Seattle ended up with were the Sonics trophies and championship banners, which are now housed at the Museum of History and Industry. What Bennett got – and what Seattle wants – is the name, logo and team colors.

    For those that see the glass as being half full, Bennett said he would turn over the team name, logo and colors to a new owner, free of charge, as long as the NBA approves it.
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  • I don't see why the NBA wouldn't approve it.
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  • Cause the NBA is run by assholes... that's why it wouldn't go through.

    But this proposal is everything that the NBA could ask.
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  • If the NBA had any integrity Clay Bennett would be removed from the head of the relocation committee. Why should anyone trust that [insert insult of choice here] not to screw us over?
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  • Fuzzman55 wrote:If the NBA had any integrity Clay Bennett would be removed from the head of the relocation committee. Why should anyone trust that [insert insult of choice here] not to screw us over?

    Hahahaha... it should be obvious that the NBA has no integrity. How many teams have they allowed to move in the decade?

    One of their most famous teams is originally from Minnesota, and since when did Utah become synonymous with musical Jazz?
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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
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  • sammyc521 wrote:
    Fuzzman55 wrote:If the NBA had any integrity Clay Bennett would be removed from the head of the relocation committee. Why should anyone trust that [insert insult of choice here] not to screw us over?

    Hahahaha... it should be obvious that the NBA has no integrity. How many teams have they allowed to move in the decade?

    One of their most famous teams is originally from Minnesota, and since when did Utah become synonymous with musical Jazz?


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