Warner........can't argue with you because you apparently don't read well...I never said winning is more important than the team, I said (and it's so plain that you obviously are just spinning words to try to make it look different like usual) The team winning and playing in the playoffs is better for the team in the future. If hasselbeck is here or not, winning is better for the team and Hasselbeck gives us that best chance in both leadership and on the field ability. If he wasn't the best player at the position he wouldn't be out there right now. If nothing else, watching the roster moves this offseason is proof of that, anything else is just conjecture on your part to try to spin your opinion into something more realistic

Rat...if you think that Carroll isn't playing the best player at the position then that's fine, it's your opinion, but who's opinion counts? yours or his? Not knowing either of you, should I listen more to experts and our coaches and use that as a gauge or should I just go by the handful of bad plays and say Hasselbeck sucks? Well you can if that makes you feel better, but I see all the plays and he has a lot more good than bad. You, me, any other fan, we have no idea what happens on every play. Too many ignorant fans just assume every bad play is on the qb. Some are, but too many blame the qb for them all when that's just not the case. I have watched Hass play a long time now and the game he's always had, he still has.


Lawhawk...What's the point of looking back at last year? We canned the coaches, changed the front office and over half the team. This is not last years seahawks. This is this years seahawks and there's no comparison. We were a sucky team. There are lots of factors that could have contributed to last years end of the season games that mean nothing today. Judge him on this year........this year he's had one good game one bad game and did NOT lose that game on his own. He had plenty of help by a defense that couldn't stop the other team on third down. Let's see how this team does by the bye week and see where we are at then. This is just way to early to even judge this team

The biggest difference between Jake Delhomme and Matt is Jake has had a true number 1 to throw the ball to his whole career. So take SS out of the formula and Jake doesn't even come close. Matt 167 TD - 115 Int. Jake 124 TD - 92 Int with a number 1 WR. TD ratio/ INT mat 3 to 2 Jake 5 to 4. Not even a close comparison. Delhomme has always been a int machine back in their glory days he had numerous seasons of 15 INTs or more.

What's the bigger advantage? Having Steve Smith, or Walter Jones?

Probably Walt but that said Carolina didn't have a bad O-line so.. But I see the point. Well made

I understood exactly what you said, I simply disagree.

Winning with players that won't be here long term does nothing for the development of the team IMO.

If Seattle goes 8-8 and loses in the divisional round of the playoffs with Matt at QB, Matt then leaves in the offseason and Charlie takes over then Seattle goes 5-11 while he develops, how exactly is that 8-8 season helping in 2012?

Now if Seattle goes 5-11 in 2010 with Charlie, then goes 8-8 in 2011 with Charlie, now I would say both 2010 and 2011 have helped the development of the TEAM.


Again, its not about Matt or Charlie, its about the TEAM. And for the record, I have NEVER said Matt is not better than Charlie right now (and you claim I can't read), I have said I don't think the development of the TEAM is the reason Matt is starting. I stand by that.

your what if scenario is one of a thousand different possibilities.....what if we go 8-8 and lose in the playoffs and we re-sign matt? what if we fall out of the play off hunt by week 12 then play Charlie? what if we don't think Charlie is the answer and we draft a qb? what if we sign a Free agent qb? there's a lot of scenarios that can change between now and next year. What if we do the best we can with what we have? This is what I think we are currently doing and this is what matters. Whoever is at qb, the more we win, the better off the other 10 guys on offense will be. Whoever is qb only really matters in development of the qb. There's plenty of offseason and practice time for the receivers to work with whoever the qb will be on timing issues and such. Let's try to put out the best team possible and win today, and get Pete's players experience playing football how it's meant to be played every sunday, and that's putting on the field the players that give you the best chance to win TODAY.

Anyone here think that Golden Tate isn't something special when he gets the ball? He didn't play in week 1 because he isn't what gave us the best chance to win that day. Matt gives us the best chance to win this week, that's realy all that needs to be said

I just don't have the time to read through 15 pages of arguments, but after last week (and you simply must take the past two years into account as well), Matt is making the argument that this team's most pressing need is a QB. Now ABSOLUTELY Matt has been my favorite Seahawk for a long time, and I certainly don't think he should be benched for his Denver performance. That said, if he would simply accept a little more of a "game manager" discipline, meaning that he has to stop thinking that he has to carry the team on his back, then I think he can be very effective again. Matt seems incapable of letting the rest of the team do its job and is making both terrible decisions and poor throws as a result.

The question I keep asking myself now is not just "who is our best QB", but because that is still #8. My question is, "who has the best upside and can help the team more in the long run"?

Obviously I'm not the coach, but if Matt were on my team he would be on the proverbial hot seat. I'd give him 2-3 more games, but if he can't demonstrate that he can settle down and consistently make smart decisions and plays at critical moments (opening drives, red zone, etc) then given where the rest of the team is, I'd put in Charlie.

My hope is that the smart and efficient Matt Hasselbeck will return and we'll keep him for another 2-3 years while he mentors his heir, but at this point I just don't know.

Someday, I hope Carroll/Schneider explain the decision. It's one glaring spot where they're markably going against their overall philosophy. Could be that they think Hasselbeck could pull it together for 8/9 wins for the division title, and they'd like to install a winning culture with the young guys. Or it could be that they think that, in the short term, he gives the team a better shot at developing the young receivers and keeping the defense off the field for longer stretches. It's definitely not about the QB in 2011, because he won't be here.

I agree with this post. Eerily similar to my last post.

For our starting QB to be successful and help this team, he simply needs to reverse the trend of boneheaded decisions and lackluster throws. Then, he is supporting the rest of the team from his position. In other words, he needs to play like a smart old vet, not like some half-witted rookie. If he continues his current trend, we probably don't stand a chance - the majority of issues have come from those poor throws and dumb decisions. It doesn't matter who we start if that doesn't get solved.

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You are right, there are many scenarios, the worst possible scenario is to learn nothing about Charlie and/or re-signing Matt.

We just are not going to agree on this, playing Matt does nothing for the development of this franchise unless you have already decided Matt is your QB in 2011 and 2012. Since they have not locked him up for those seasons, playing him is a waste.


(And re-signing a 35 year old QB with 10 years of tape based on 2010 alone is a huge error, so the 'wait and see' attitude is something I can never support. If Matt is your guy, that was a decision that needed to already be made)

You're saying warner, that the rest of the team (51 other players) can't get better with Matt Hasselbeck over Charlie Whitehurst?

The point of looking back at last year is that it helps us decide whether the guy is good or not. 90% or more of his career is behind him. Those years tell us lots about how good he is. It would tell us lots about how good he is even if he were playing for an entirely different team. Last year's team was bad, I agree, but Hasselbeck was bad too. It was not just protection. It was not just WRs. He was bad. "There are lots of factors that could have contributed to last years end of the season games..." Yes, and one of those factors is Hasselbeck throwing the ball to the other team.

"This is just way to early to even judge this team..." Yes, but it's not too early to judge Hasselbeck! I'm looking at the last two years and two games and I find sufficient evidence to say he stinks.

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It's really very simple. All you have to do is realize the false ideas you harbor. First of all, Hasselbeck gives the team the best chance to win now. He won the competition with Whitehurst hands down and has proven himself far better now. Secondly, Hasselbeck is playing at close to his best, which is Pro Bowl level and one of the top five QBs in the NFL. Fans shouldn't judge their QB based upon how they feel after he makes mistakes in a loss. If you do, you are almost guaranteed to misjudge him. Third, as numerous QBs have shown over the years in the NFL, Hasselbeck has a real chance to play at this level for another three or four years, plenty of time to contend for the Super Bowl. Of course, there is no guarantee so the team should have solid backup plans in place, and they do.

Now all you have to do is figure out why you don't understand the above and you'll understand why the team has put Hasselbeck where he is.

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Where did I say that?

I said the team development is better served with long term solutions at positions even if it means more losses than winning with short term solutions.

And for the record, its not just Matt, any player that is not going to be here in 2012 and is blocking the development of someone who might be should not be playing. The team should develop together, not with stopgaps. Matt just happens to be the most glaring example of a stopgap blocking a potential long term answer.

Playing Matt is not about the development of the team, its about winning in 2010 which is something they should be trying to do but it should be done with an eye on finding long term solutions.

I would rather go 5-11 and find out more about Charlie (and other young players) than lose in the playoffs, I think it gets the Seahawks closer to the ultimate goal (winning the Super Bowl) and frankly that is all there is to it.

You think winning in 2010 is more important.


We have a difference of opinion.


(Also, I think Seattle can win the division with Charlie at QB anyway which would be the best of both worlds).

Wow, just wow.

Playing at close to his best?

Top 5 QB in the NFL?

Pro Bowl level?

Real chance to play 3-4 more years?


Just wow, talk about living outside reality. Seriously, any other fans agree with Johnny? Any?


More importantly if the Seahawks believed even 1 of those things, why has he not gotten an extension?

I don't think this decision (play CW and other young players) by the FO takes place until the team is mathematically eliminated (or close to it). Fact is, #8 is statistically bad enough to get us to 5-11. I think he needs at least a couple more games to prove/disprove that he's still the same QB of the past several years (poor throws, poor mechanics, bone-headed plays). Until then he proves otherwise, the idea of winning now will always be valued over developing a player. So CW can't move up until he: a) Proves he is better or b) MH continues to falter - hopefully when the decision comes it's more about a) than b), but I'm sure it'll be a bit of both.

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This one's pretty simple in my mind.

Pete does not feel that Charlie is ready... Matt's game (howbeit definitely not at a Pro Bowl level after two games) is better than Charlie's and Pete wants "to win now".

I also believe that the FO would consider a year or two (at most) extension for Matt but his play would have to improve dramatically for that to be a possibility.

Matt's career as a starting QB is in jeopardy... not in a game or two, imo... but definitely by the end of the season if his INTs are about equal with his (passing) TDs.

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Endzorn, 3 min. later... "Football aside, I would pay money to see that. I'm serious."

Moved to Seattle in 1980. Hawks fan for 33 years and counting.

"Nope"

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That's easy Warner. Matt has declined all offers by the FO for an extension because he knows that once he's named MVP this season his price will skyrocket.

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It's really very simple. All you have to do is realize the false ideas you harbor. First of all, Hasselbeck gives the team the best chance to win now. He won the competition with Whitehurst hands down and has proven himself far better now. Secondly, Hasselbeck is playing at close to his best, which is Pro Bowl level and one of the top five QBs in the NFL. Fans shouldn't judge their QB based upon how they feel after he makes mistakes in a loss. If you do, you are almost guaranteed to misjudge him. Third, as numerous QBs have shown over the years in the NFL, Hasselbeck has a real chance to play at this level for another three or four years, plenty of time to contend for the Super Bowl. Of course, there is no guarantee so the team should have solid backup plans in place, and they do.

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Of course, how many people agree with me has zero bearing on whether it is true. No matter. As I have said, before the season is over you will see what I mean, the stats will probably support it, and just for you (but again no proof whatsoever), most fans will agree with me.




I (and others) have answered this question for you so many times, and the answer is so obvious, there's no point in trying again, is there?

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