And without the trade for Andrews he wouldnt have been here to hold.
And without losing Hutch our line might still be good.
And we can go on and on, but regardless the interception did happen and it was a bad play.

Personally i think Matt will still be good for us this year, we shall see.

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This is one of my favorites.

So because someone else did something dumb (and it was Locklear that held not Andrews) the veteran captain of the team is excused when he makes an even bigger blunder (and that int is much worse than the hold)?

I just don't get that line of reasoning.


Matt should be the calming force that keeps the offense going after a penalty, that is what captains do, not throw a joke of a ball for a pick on the next play.

Exactly. At that point in the game the Denver crowd was silent. Matt had completed several very nice third down completions and drove us into scoring position. A 3-spot on the board would have looked nice at that stage.

Instead, we get the second opening drive interception in as many games.

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Whitehurst will be starting on October 24th against Arizona at the latest.

C'mon Johnny, even the staunchest Hass supporters recognize that he has a weak arm. If you don't believe me, look at tape of Hass throwing a 50 yard pass, then look at any other QB with a legit arm do that same pass, be it Whitehurst, Losman, Flacco, either one of the Manning bros, Brees.... heck, even Seneca had a better deep pass.



Well duh. What offensive scheme doesn't require accuracy?

Seriously, if Hass was a perfect fit for this offense, then why have they been bringing in his polar opposites in Whitehurst and Losman? Why not bring in guys that are in Hass' mold?

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If you're talking about distance, I must point out that "throwing deep" doesn't just mean being able to get the ball 50 yards downfield. We've seen Hasselbeck do that, and I've seen high school girls do it too. Throwing deep is the ability to get the ball downfield quickly and powerfully in such a way that it doesn't float for an hour and give DB's time to react to it.

A "deep ball" is not the hanging-for-a-million-years, off-the-top-of-the-TV-screen, pretty-pretty-beautiful-happy-flower-children rainbow pass that Matt usually throws, the kind that requires a WR to completely beat coverage or else the DB will turn around, idly pick his nose, and then casually pull the ball out of the air. A real deep ball is the freakin' BULLET that Drew Brees throws that slices between double coverage and that doesn't need a ton of height because DB's don't even have time to see it coming. THAT'S a damn deep ball. And by that definition, Matt has never thrown a deep ball in his life.



He used to have that in spades, sure. But it's getting worse and worse as time goes on. He's missing Carlson like a disease now, and I'm noticing that WR's are having to go UP for more and more of his passes, instead of them coming straight to the numbers on their jerseys.

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LOL at BULLET

Sheesh. He's not getting any worse at all. It's amazing that the entire SF game (except for his one interception) is entirely erased from your memory, along with all the completed passes and virtual unstoppable offense in the Denver game. Selective thinking, IMHO. The result is you are unable to see how good this team (including the QB) actually is. You can't see that this team has a very real chance of making the playoffs this season, with the only remaining big question mark being the pass rush by our defense. But you'll see soon enough.

You heard it here first!!

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You're getting confused because you clipped out what I was calling a huge myth. Here is is again:



He doesn't have a terrible arm. His arm strength is just as good as when the Seahawks won the Super Bowl (on the field). His arm strength is just as good as some of the best QBs who ever played the game, like Montana, Staubach, Unitas, and Tarkenton. That doesn't mean Hasselbeck is a strong armed QB. But no offense actually needs a strong armed QB. It can be an advantage in some situations, but it's accuracy that matters far more. Hasselbeck has more than enough of that to take this team all the way with a good enough team around him.

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UMMMMM Yeah. why the hell do you go to the back of the endzone on 4th and 3. especially to Deion Branch

I don't think Hasselbeck has changed that much. If fact, he's performing better than I expected him to do given all the changes. This season he's completing 65.5% of his passes, 9th in the NFL (better than Rodgers, Vick, Brady, Rivers...). He can run when needed, and is a fiery and vocal leader on the field.

One of Hasselbeck's recurring problems, though, is throwing interceptions. He was 6th in the NFL in how often he threw picks, and is around that this season already. Obviously that won't last w/Carroll, so if Matt doesn't improve in that category we'll see just how good Charlie is and whether he is in fact an improvement or not.

At the end of the day, Matt produces for the Seahawks and will give us some victories. I really don't think we want to tinker with the most important position on our team when we're hovering around first in our division.

Well that's not saying much...Dilfer won a Super Bowl surrounded by "the right pieces".

A great QB is someone who can thrive outside of the "system" when it breaks down or changes. Matt has struggled without Holmgren, and many of us have pointed the finger at other players. Maybe reality is about to hit us in the face - as has recently happened with other players (overvaluing). Hass is definetely not an ideal fit for Bates' system.

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Hi Guys, just jumping in here to point out that the play call was a screen to Jones. Turns out Denver double covered Jones on the play (by mistake? - see Hass and Carroll quotes on this)

Branch was a checkdown.

Nice thread here...carry on

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Love the team not the player..

That is my moto... Lets see what happens over the next few games...

Again, this view requires selective observation. It requires forgetting him going 10 for 11 in one stretch in the SF game. It requires ignoring all the skills he's still showing. The type of QB you are talking about comes along once every ten years. If you're going to wish for that to get to the Super Bowl, you might as well wish for a Walter Payton and a Cortez Kennedy while you're at it. Meanwhile the Seahawks are close right now. Maybe his actual words about the game will help:

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You are completely missing the point of my argument. Its not whether Hass is,was, or can be good, its whether he fits what Bates wants to do on offense or not, which he doesn't.

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JohnnyB I hope your not gonna be disappointed.. yet to be determined ..

That said.. I repeat "Love the team not the player"

Your point is that he is a "terrible fit." That's wrong. He might not be the best possible fit, but he is more than good enough to, as Bates put it "make all the throws" the QB needs to make in his offense. I mean, Bates even said so, I don't know what more proof you would want. Oh yeah, actually I do. And you're going to get that proof this season when the Seahawks make it to the playoffs and Hasselbeck gets re-signed. Ready?

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Aren't you the guy who did all the coachspeak stuff?



And if that happens (Matt getting resigned, not the playoffs) I'll eat a big fat pile of crow. But, I just don't see Carroll resigning a nearly 36 year old to lead this young offense. Why pay so much for Whitehurst and sign him to a two year deal, if you now Matt is the guy you want behind center for 4 more years? Why haven't they signed him already if they know he's the guy? Why risk losing him in free agency? I just don't see it, that doesn't mean it won't happen, but I'd be extremely surprised if it did. I fully expect this team to go the way of the Packers and Eagles.

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Evidently you know more about what Bates wants then he does. I look forward to you getting ahold of him and letting him know that he is not playing the QB that HE wants to play. I love it when people try to read other peoples minds.
Matt is there guy for right now, and thankfully only the Coaches get to decide when or if he is replaced. Let me know how that whole consulting gig goes for you, OK!

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