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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
 Post Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:25 pm 
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So it has been since 2004 that Hasselbeck has won a significant road game?

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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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2003: Beat the favored SF team at the end of 2003, to make the playoffs.
2004: The Saints and Bucs were supposed to be good opponents early in 2004, and Seattle won both of those. They beat the the 8-8 Vikings and the 11-5 Falcons on the road that year too.
2005: Won 5 straight road games, but none of them finished with a winning record.
2006: Beat one team with a winning record on the road. Denver.
2007: Terrible season for playing on the road. Did beat Philly though, who finished 8-8. Philly didn't have McNabb though.


My goodness kearly. How many gigabytes of information do you have on the Seahawks. You are all over it. LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
 Post Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:27 pm 
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the first interception should never have been thrown because two plays before there should have been a rushing td by forsett...those two bungled o-line moves prior to the pick weren't his fault and the hold, which did nothing to change the outcome of the play, brought that td back..i do peg the 2nd and 3rd one on him--on the last one i really don't hold too much anger because they were pretty much forced to pass pass pass and so that is usually a disaster waiting to happen to any team that far down with that little time left.



First off, this does not excuse Matt for throwing a ball he should not have thrown and its a silly argument to make.

Second, Locklear's hold is what sprung Forsett for the TD.


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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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I hate to say it but I too would like to find out what we have in cbj before we beat this horse and gloss over looking for the magical draft pick. btw if you think it's Locker you're not sober........


Oh man, how much coin did Locker cost himself yesterday. Really brutal. He may not even go first round at this rate. Agree with you on CBJ too.

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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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Its not that Hass is obsessed with those plays, those were the cards he was delt. Hass isnt necessarily allowed to call audibles like he used to under Holmgren. He gets the play calls and tries to execute them, that's all he can do. Most of the completions Hass made were up the middle anyway, so I dont know what youre talking about.[/quote]

I'm talking about the fact that the majority of Matt's throws are to the sidelines on either swing passes or fade routes. I don't know what game you were watching today, but the one I saw today had him constantly challenging Brian Dawkins for some reason.
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His TD pass, was up the middle. Two of his Branch passes, up the middle. 4/5 of Carlson's receptions were up the middle and William's sole catch, was towards the middle.[/quote]

Nope. Not even close to reality. http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/nfl/playby ... =300919007

Check out how many "middle" passes there were. Like I said earlier - he seems to have a problem throwing over the middle. everything is short right, short left, deep right, deep left. There were no slants, crossing patterns, picks etc. Either a swing pass in the flat or fade route...

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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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Matt did exactly what Alex Smith did last week. Kill momentum and not putting his team in a position to win. His arm strength is suspect and love him or hate him that is a big liability in today's NFL. That is the unbiased truth. We will not amount to anything in this rebuilding effort if we continue to utilize a QB in regression. I am not a Matt hater at all but I am ready for the next iteration of our franchise QB. Its time!

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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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There is something to say about QB/WR familiarness in a different offensive scheme.

Hass hasn't really developed a chemistry with this receiving core....and with Carlson, both Hass and John are in new offensive schemes. The pre-season just wasn't enought time to develop the chemistry...and hell...with the front office continually changing things, it didn't help things any (NOT that I am complaining....I think the FO did what they needed to do...huge kudos to them for having the cojones to do it).

I think the "long" reads are basically Hass not comfortable with the WR's and their pattern running. He just doesn't seem confident in them, even though they appear to be catching almost anything catchable that is thrown their way.

This is just my opinion, and what I think I'm observing. I think after the 4th game (I know, I know.....we shouldn't have to wait that long) we should see some improvement.

How muchtime does a Franchise QB need to mesh with his receivers, gottdammit, this is getting to be all too a familiar repeat with Matt??, he gets rattled way to easy, and his focus has deminished substantially, TIME to move on Pete, time to start working for the future of his offense, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it, well, It's BROKE Pete, time to check out the future, and if it isn't CW?, let's find the answer.
He's a seasoned Vet gotdammit, he shouldn't need more time to get on the same page with his receivers, I mean, Dave frikken Krieg adapted a hell of a lot quicker to his newbie receivers, and he was'nt blessed with as good an O-line as Hasselbeck, I mean C'mon!, Jones, Hutchinson, Robbie Tobeck, Alexander, and even Locklear etc.,it's time to take this joker off his pedistal.

Hasselbeck is being touted with being the best QB the Seahawks has ever had, you keep on sellin, but, I ain't buyin'.

I mean pound for pound, "Mud Bone" was by far the better adaptor, had better arm too.


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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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Had time to throw ? Yes. Has good WR's and TE's ? Yes. Is Healthy ? Yes. Still stinks with a weak arm and poor decisions YES YES YES Time to see what we have in Whitehurst we KNOW Matty stinks.


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kearly wrote:
2003: Beat the favored SF team at the end of 2003, to make the playoffs.
2004: The Saints and Bucs were supposed to be good opponents early in 2004, and Seattle won both of those. They beat the the 8-8 Vikings and the 11-5 Falcons on the road that year too.
2005: Won 5 straight road games, but none of them finished with a winning record.
2006: Beat one team with a winning record on the road. Denver.
2007: Terrible season for playing on the road. Did beat Philly though, who finished 8-8. Philly didn't have McNabb though.



The 2004 Atlanta game was at Qwest. Last game of the year, it was a must win to take the West. Atlanta had the #2 seed locked up and played there backups most of the game. We almost had it go to OT if Isaiah Kascevinski doesn't stop a 2 point conversion attempt with no time left on the clock.


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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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Either QB's - Mallett, Locker or Pounder, in that order should be 2011 first round Seahawks pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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Whoever our next QB is i want him to have a CANNON arm. its so demoralizing when we are down to know that we cant come back, since dink and dunk passes and the occational "deep" lob are the only throws hass can make :(


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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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Hideeho folks,
I want to qualify my next statement with this...I've never been a Hasselbeck fan*. That being said...
Even when healthy, Matthew goes into "Spazzelbeck" mode about twice a year...every year. And mostly, early in the year. So, he will probably have one more of these "stinkers" at some point this year. But, the rest of the year (when healthy) he's fairly consistent and productive. And a very good leader.
So, I guess that I'll just ride out this speedbump and hope for the best. :snack:
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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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Take your emotions and team loyalty out of this thread and tell me how far you think this team can go with Hasselbeck.

He had plenty of time to throw the ball, but missed open receivers, threw behind guys who actually caught the ball and tossed some inexplicable interceptions.

I love the guy, always will...but when I watch him play it is painfully obvious that he is not the answer. At some point we need to find out what we have in Whitehurst.


Holy Shneikey, you guys need to just face the fact that you are fans, not football analysts. Hasselbeck did numerous great things in the game. Like all QBs do from time to time, he lost his accuracy for a few passes and combined with numerous other mistakes other players made, cost them the game, but his performance was nowhere close to any indication that he's done or is not the answer. In fact in his first two games, he's shown exactly and completely the opposite. He hasn't lost anything from his best years. He can lead a team to a championship and if he has enough horses around him, that's exactly what he will do. You heard it here first.

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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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Hasselbeck has bad days just like the rest, even Drew Breeze was throwing poorly this week, same can be said for Farve...As for a big arm, sure it is nice for an occasional deep ball, but it does NOT guarantee success in a NFL QB obviously, just look to lets say J. Russel for an example...Hasselbeck is getting older, he is a few years out from retirement, he is a pro bowl QB that has taken our team to the highest level (Superbowl), he should be allowed to play until he wants to retire unless he really stinks it up for multiple games in a row showing he truly has lost the it factor, he has things NO unproven QB is going to have which are experience, leadership, knowledge of the game both offense and defense, he knows how to fake out defenders an not lead with his eye's, etc. If we are in it to be competitive and win now, he is our best and only real option available, if you think his few interceptions this year are bad, just imagine how many the unproven Whitehurst would have against starting defenses that will quickly realize he locks on to his targets and occasionally floats it out there with poor accuracy...I re-watched the Denver game, Bailey jumped a mile high to make that first pick, it was an amazing play on his part (wish we had that next to TRu), but we truly should not have been in that situation to start with (was not Hasselbeck's fault), as for the pick that happened near a wide open Carlson, Hasselbeck was under pressure and made a poor throw, that is life in the NFL, it happens, even Romo makes bad throws occasionally, they all do....I am not a Hasselover per se, I do respect his talent and what he has achieved for our team, dishonoring him would be equal to dishonoring Alexander of which our running game has still yet to recover from...Careful what you wish for as an emotionally driven fan, just imagine multiple years of NO passing attack to go along with no running game! :34853_doh:


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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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Holy Shneikey, you guys need to just face the fact that you are fans, not football analysts. Hasselbeck did numerous great things in the game. Like all QBs do from time to time, he lost his accuracy for a few passes and combined with numerous other mistakes other players made, cost them the game, but his performance was nowhere close to any indication that he's done or is not the answer. In fact in his first two games, he's shown exactly and completely the opposite. He hasn't lost anything from his best years. He can lead a team to a championship and if he has enough horses around him, that's exactly what he will do. You heard it here first.


He hasn't lost ANYTHING from his best years...... Really? Have you seen his last six games? I'm still waiting for that great deep ball we have heard so much about from those with his poster on the ceiling above their bed.

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He hasn't lost anything from his best years.


Yes, he has. He's lost Walter Jones, Steve Hutchinson, Mack Strong, Robbie Tobeck, Bobby Engram, and even Shaun Alexander.

I don't see anyone who's replaced any of these folks that isn't a big downgrade.


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Whoever our next QB is i want him to have a CANNON arm. its so demoralizing when we are down to know that we cant come back, since dink and dunk passes and the occational "deep" lob are the only throws hass can make :(


Well then perhaps you should go play with Jemarcus Russell and his cannon arm....Hasselbeck has shown himself to be a pro bowl caliber quarterback who still gets props from the majority of NFL analysts. People on this board seem to run with how bad he is because he has a bad game from time to time or he can't carry the team on his back. This is a team effort and Hasselbeck has proven time and time again that when the team around him is playing well, he almost always follows suit. When we have a team not playing well he has difficulties. Anyone who thinks Whitehurst can win with the team we have needs to have their head examined


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 Post subject: Re: Objective look at Hasselbeck
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And anyone who thinks Whitehurst would have outsucked Hass in Denver needs to take the Hass poster off the ceiling above their bed.

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Whitehurst is not now, never has been, and never will be the answer at qb. Putting in Whitehurst says two things, one we aren't trying to win and two we are looking to actually lose so we can draft higher.


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