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 Post subject: Re: Whitehurst vs. Draft QB of the Future Rationalization
 Post Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:25 am 
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What the french.....toast! Seriously, why are we giving players away for cheap and paying so much for others?!

What's wrong with Teel? How is this guy any different than him?

This is wrong in so many ways. Obviously we all hope this turns into another Hass (of '04-'07 with an OL) and it turns out to be a steal. But, right now it's ridiculous!

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What the french.....toast! Seriously, why are we giving players away for cheap and paying so much for others?!

What's wrong with Teel? How is this guy any different than him?

This is wrong in so many ways. Obviously we all hope this turns into another Hass (of '04-'07 with an OL) and it turns out to be a steal. But, right now it's ridiculous!



Whitehurst was drafted in the third round and has worked with a great offensive coach.

Teel, who was largely expected to go undrafted, was selected in the 6th round by Tim Ruskell and has had one year working with Greg Knapp.

The worst case scenario is seattle gave up a bit of draft stock. The best case scenario is - QB position sewn up. The potential pro's far outweigh the con's.


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Charlie Whitehurst is 27 soon to be 28 but the fact he has not played and has not been beaten, battered, and bruised he is basically 24 or 25 in football years so i likie this more and more. I don't know if we got a 3rd or not but i think he will be a great player for us. :3:


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Is he really getting $5mil a year? What the hell has he done to derserve that much?! Did Charlie come here wearing a Favre costume?

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Maybe this is the states for you... but in England, when a coach gets fired he either gets another job or he just keeps his head down. He doesn't go on the radio talking about what his replacement is doing with a critical eye.


NOT THE STATES.

This is very strange what Mora's been doing. And HIGHLY annoying. JUST GO AWAY!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Whitehurst vs. Draft QB of the Future Rationalization
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Is he really getting $5mil a year? What the hell has he done to derserve that much?! Did Charlie come here wearing a Favre costume?



So what?

Seriously - let's just give the guy a chance. It won't 'make or break' the new regime. It's a calculated gamble with greater potential upside than what we gave up. Don't get all the negativity.


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theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
Oh my god - now JIM MORA is sticking his oar in. 'Matt Hasselbeck deserves better'. Maybe this is the states for you... but in England, when a coach gets fired he either gets another job or he just keeps his head down. He doesn't go on the radio talking about what his replacement is doing with a critical eye.

What a crock.

LMAO! What a freaking hypocrite! Wasn't Mora the one talking like a month ago about how he wanted Sanchez over Curry?


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theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
The worst case scenario is seattle gave up a bit of draft stock. The best case scenario is - QB position sewn up. The potential pro's far outweigh the con's.


I agree that best-case scenario here is much more good than worst-case scenario is bad. But what are the odds of each? The odds that we lose draft currency is 100%. The odds that we get a good QB (I'm not even saying Pro Bowl, just above average) are what, 25% at best? I don't think anyone has any evidence that this guy has a 50-50 chance of being a good starting QB.

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The worst case scenario is seattle gave up a bit of draft stock. The best case scenario is - QB position sewn up. The potential pro's far outweigh the con's.


I agree that best-case scenario here is much more good than worst-case scenario is bad. But what are the odds of each? The odds that we lose draft currency is 100%. The odds that we get a good QB (I'm not even saying Pro Bowl, just above average) are what, 25% at best? I don't think anyone has any evidence that this guy has a 50-50 chance of being a good starting QB.


When you draft a player you lose that draft currency too, with no assurances that the player will work out for you.

So what is your point?

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Tech Worlds wrote:
When you draft a player you lose that draft currency too, with no assurances that the player will work out for you.

So what is your point?



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theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
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Is he really getting $5mil a year? What the hell has he done to derserve that much?! Did Charlie come here wearing a Favre costume?



So what?

Seriously - let's just give the guy a chance. It won't 'make or break' the new regime. It's a calculated gamble with greater potential upside than what we gave up. Don't get all the negativity.


I'm with you here, we all think we could have received more and given less to get him. If San Diego was really that fond of him to tender him a 3rd rounder then I'm sure this risk was worth it, at least I hope it was... :180670:

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theENGLISHseahawk wrote:

So what?

Seriously - let's just give the guy a chance. It won't 'make or break' the new regime. It's a calculated gamble with greater potential upside than what we gave up. Don't get all the negativity.


$5mil is a lot for an unproven rookie. This guy is an unproven pro. Seriously, just seems like a lot of money for a guy who wasn't even someones SECOND string QB. How do people not see the negativity in that. Believe me, I hope this guy is the next Favre that ATL didn't want and traded to GB. I just don't get why SEA gave so much for this guy and let Wallace walk for SO MUCH less. I just don't get it.

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You guys checked out the Chargers forums for the hell of it?
Kind of interesting, got on http://www.bolttalk.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21809 and was checking out SD's forums. In a nut shell;

Started out with posts like this:

"I seriously doubt a 3rd round tender would be gotten for Charlie.
I mean seriously we just traded a former pro-bowl CB in Cromartie for a 3rd round tender. The thought of a guy who has taken a handful of snaps at the pro level after 4 years, doesn't really add up to getting a 3rd rounder for him.
Not saying some desperate team wouldn't just saying it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY."

and

"I would gladly give him up for a 3rd.
I din't think that it will happen though."

and

"Maybe we get a fifth or sixth rounder. Maybe a fourth next year."

Most current posts looks like this:

"Suck on that all you AJ doubters.""

and

"A.J. SMITH IS GOD !!!!!!

ALL WHO DOUBT WILL BE CAST DOWN INTO THE BOWELS OF THE FORUM

POSTERS SHOULD GET ON THEIR KNEES !!!"

And....wait for it.....


"HAHAHAHAHA OMG

Its a great feeling to come home after a long day and see that AJ moved us up 20 spots in the 2nd, and got us an extra 3rd next year for a guy who has never thrown a pass in the NFL."


Enough said. What does it mean? Nothing of course....I just wish ONE of our threads could share even a resemblance to theirs. First Seneca, then Tapp, Now this....
God, I hope my frustrations are unfounded.


Good for them, they should be happy. Their team stockpiled some very good QB's, and other teams(us) who are desperate for QB's came calling. They got some value for a player that was buried on the depth chart. Good for the Chargers. Their fans should be happy.

But you know what? Good for us as well. We potentially got a good QB who might start for us for a drop down in the second round and a 3rd. If CW plays well, it's a steal for us too. Right? I would hope as fans of the Seahawks we can be excited to see what this guy can do, he has all the potential in the world. Have some faith.

Not all trades have to be one sides, this could be beneficial for both teams down the road.

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 Post subject: Re: Whitehurst vs. Draft QB of the Future Rationalization
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I find it hard to believe that the eagles would not have taken this years 2nd and next years 3rd for kolb but I could be wrong but if they would have I would much rather had kolb!! What a joke of a deal!!! I wonder if we are in neg. with the peirce county bengals now to land a couple of there guys LMAO!

A friend of mine once said that his chances of winning the lottery are only slightly less than someone who actually plays. It seems to me that that's about the difference between Kolb and Whitehurst -- or at least, the difference between their respective available NFL film.

WHY on earth are you still pimping Kolb as the would-have-been deal to save our franchise, yet in a roundabout way comparing Whitehurst to Pierce County Bengal players?

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So what?

Seriously - let's just give the guy a chance. It won't 'make or break' the new regime. It's a calculated gamble with greater potential upside than what we gave up. Don't get all the negativity.


$5mil is a lot for an unproven rookie. This guy is an unproven pro. Seriously, just seems like a lot of money for a guy who wasn't even someones SECOND string QB. How do people not see the negativity in that. Believe me, I hope this guy is the next Favre that ATL didn't want and traded to GB. I just don't get why SEA gave so much for this guy and let Wallace walk for SO MUCH less. I just don't get it.


I don't think 5 million a year for a QB that they think is starter quality is too much. I really don't.

We paid for CW because we think he has potential. That commands a higher trade value.

Wallace has no potential, everyone has seen what he can do, you're not going to win games with that guy. As a full time starter he is not going to get a team into the playoffs. The only value he had was to Holmgren because he knows his offense. And from the trade value we got from him, Holmgren didn't care that much even then.

I just don't get the confusion here.

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depecheSeahawk wrote:
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So what?

Seriously - let's just give the guy a chance. It won't 'make or break' the new regime. It's a calculated gamble with greater potential upside than what we gave up. Don't get all the negativity.


$5mil is a lot for an unproven rookie. This guy is an unproven pro. Seriously, just seems like a lot of money for a guy who wasn't even someones SECOND string QB. How do people not see the negativity in that. Believe me, I hope this guy is the next Favre that ATL didn't want and traded to GB. I just don't get why SEA gave so much for this guy and let Wallace walk for SO MUCH less. I just don't get it.


$5million is a FRACTION of what we would have paid for a top rookie QB. As for the third stringer comments, please get over it. He was behind one of the best QBs in the league, and a pretty damn good veteran. What do you want him to do about it, he didn't get to pick where he was drafted. The reason why Seattle gave what the did for Whitehurst, and got so little for Seneca is....someone actually wanted Whitehurst, no one wanted Seneca. I don't get why people keep comparing the two deals, they are miles apart. Seneca had no value to us, and obviously no value to anyone else.

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For the record, I don't like Clausen one itty bitty bit. And as I pointed out, if Whitehurst proves to be a bust, it's a lot easier to move on from the Whitehurst experiment than from a kid you gave 6 years and $70 million. I say Whitehurst will be a starter soon enough because Hasselbeck's contract is done in one year and he's not getting any younger. Plus, he has an injury history a mile long. Isn't that why we were looking for a QB in the first place? As of right now, the only damn thing we're talking about is potential. You're betting on a guy who's proven even less than Whitehurst has, at significantly higher stakes.


How costly will it be if the Whitehurst experiment doesn't pan out? Will we become the Cleveland Browns forever intertwined in a QB carousal?

If we need to draft a franchise QB in the not-too-distant future, there's a good chance we'll be doing it with a predetermined rookie salary structure or rookie salary cap in place.

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Some people have turned this into a debate about whether Clausen or Whitehurst will be the better QB. IMO, it's not really a relevant question unless one of them ends up really sucking. The predominant question going into the draft was how we were going to address our QB situation -- regardless of the deal, the fact is that we addressed the situation before the draft, rather than taking a chance in the draft that a QB we would want (Clausen) would be available at #6. If Clausen and Bradford were both gone by #6, we would have been scrambling to find someone else worthwhile in a later round that we would likely be forced to rely on, sooner rather than later. As it is, the Seahawks were proactive in addressing the situation, and I find comfort in that. Besides, we could still draft someone like Canfield.

One other thing. We have discussed Clausen ad nauseum on this board, including the fact that Pete Carroll scouted him for a long time and tried to recruit him. The same could very well be true of Whitehurst. He started his college career during Carroll's reign at USC, so there's a good chance that Carroll is actually more familiar with Whitehurst than most NFL coaches are.


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Good for them, they should be happy. Their team stockpiled some very good QB's, and other teams(us) who are desperate for QB's came calling. They got some value for a player that was buried on the depth chart. Good for the Chargers. Their fans should be happy.

But you know what? Good for us as well. We potentially got a good QB who might start for us for a drop down in the second round and a 3rd. If CW plays well, it's a steal for us too. Right? I would hope as fans of the Seahawks we can be excited to see what this guy can do, he has all the potential in the world. Have some faith.

Not all trades have to be one sides, this could be beneficial for both teams down the road.

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Since Whitehurst would have been an UFA next year anyway (when we could have pursued him without having to trade anything), our staff has got to either think he'll compete for the starting job this year or will get significant time due to Hasselbeck sucking/being injuried.

Right? Or is there some element of this equation I'm not getting. I guess there's a chance we just want him around for a year (learning offense, etc.) before he gets his shot.

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$5million is a FRACTION of what we would have paid for a top rookie QB. As for the third stringer comments, please get over it. He was behind one of the best QBs in the league, and a pretty damn good veteran. What do you want him to do about it, he didn't get to pick where he was drafted. The reason why Seattle gave what the did for Whitehurst, and got so little for Seneca is....someone actually wanted Whitehurst, no one wanted Seneca. I don't get why people keep comparing the two deals, they are miles apart. Seneca had no value to us, and obviously no value to anyone else.


Get over it? So, we should just shut this message board down and post picks, trades etc and have a "In Pete we trust" emoticon for everyone to use. :roll:

I'm not stupid. I KNOW a top rookie would be a lot more money. I just don't see why he is worth the money. Is SD the capitol of QB World? Billy Volek isn't that great of a QB. Shoot, he was aquired for a 6th round pick.

I know this is all moot with the comparisons. I just don't understand what our front office sees in this guy. Can anyone tell me? Just because they tender him as a 3rd rounder doesn't mean he is that to everyone but us. They were just trying to get what they could and we bit. Even their fans didn't think anyone would. All I keep reading about is how SEA traded for a guy who hasn't played any real snaps in his NFL career.

And Twisted, I know I know $5mil would be cheap for a starter. But again, why do we think he will be? What have our guys seen?

Don't get me wrong. I hope this is a steal. I'm not even saying this is a bad deal. Just wondering what warranted us thinking he's starter material with all the money he's being paid.

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