1st Round Pass Catchers

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-The Glove-":1v39iwnw said:
theENGLISHseahawk":1v39iwnw said:
Benjamin is one of the most frustrating players you'll ever watch. Capable of so much, yet never seems to get out of second gear. And some of his drops -- wow. Too many 'WTF' moments with him.

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After this game tonight, I don't think I'd be happy if the Hawks drafted him.
 

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Benjamin high pointed some big time throws late in that game, including the game winner, that were impossible to defend for about every corner in football. Having a red zone target like with his upside that has a lot of value. He'll likely be gone before Hawks pick though
 

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No way he's 235. Lankiest 235 I've ever seen. He might get fat, but he's no AJ Green nor does he have the speed of Green.

And he's going to have AJ Green's problem, you can't put Green across the middle (not that you have to) and he doesn't have the speed to run away on the sidelines nor the route running ability.

Bust prospect in my mind.


Is he the only WR over 6-2 that you have watched?

Take two separate pictures of a guys who are 235 lbs, one is 5ft 10inches and 235 lbs. (Ohio St RB Carlos Hyde) & the other is 6-5 235 lbs. (Florida St WR Kelvin Benjamin) and of course KB is going to look like a skinnier guy.

Of the ohio state buckeyes completes a 16 crop 650
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Try this...Plug up your bathroom sink & plug up your bathtub. Take a gallon of water and pour it into the bathroom sink, then take a gallon of water and pour it into the bathtub.

Conclusion: the bathroom sink is more filled out with water than the bathtub. Reason being the bathtub is bigger and needs more water to fill out.

AJ Green 6-4 205 lbs. Compare this pic and the one below it and you can clearly see KB's frame is more filled out than Green's frame. Green has skinny thighs & skinny arms.
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KB 6-5 235 lbs. is 1 inch tall than green, yet he still has bigger arms & bigger thighs.
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Also, no one is comparing KB to AJ Green as a prospect. The argument was compare Green's body type to KB. KB has the upside to be more like Megatron or Vincent Jackson.

I will give you that KB has a bit of an different body type with the longer legs and shorter upper torso, which may make him look skinny to you. If he declares for the draft, I think he will drop down to around 225 lbs. in order to run a faster 40-yard time.
 

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So many WR's this year, I hope they draft two and a TE.

Probably need a LB at some point to to keep cost down.
 

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I'm convinced now more than ever that Seattle needs a big redzone/3rd down target for their offense to ever get above "average" status.
 

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SeatownJay":1piyyhoz said:
I'm convinced now more than ever that Seattle needs a big redzone/3rd down target for their offense to ever get above "average" status.

Okay, here you go.

Fresno St WR Davante Adams (6-2 216 lbs.)
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Florida St WR Kelvin Benjamin (6-5 235 lbs.)
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Allen Robinson Penn State 6'3" 215 4.5/40

2013 97 receptions 1432 yards 14.8 avg 65 long 6 TDs
2012 77 receptions 1018 yards 13.2 avg 53 long 11 TDs

This guy can catch the slant, highpoint the football, and competes like a Hawk. I'd rather have this guy than Benjamin, Adams, Matthews, or Coleman.
#1) Evidence he can catch the slant and YAC it. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCJlXX8QlCw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCJlXX8QlCw
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#2) If you have any doubts, watch the catch at 3:52; it truly is awesome to behold. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrV19HYDCnk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrV19HYDCnk
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I'm in the Allen Robinson and Davante Adams camp, 2 receivers who will work hard and produce.

KB has great potential but I get the impression that there is a lack of maturity there. It's like things have always come easy to him and he played hard in the BCS game to get his draft stock up. No evidence, just a general impression. I think once he gets drafted, he will have average effort, worry about getting hurt and only show up once in awhile when it suits him.

I want a 6'4" plus big guy to help with our red zone problems. That or a slightly smaller guy who is big enough to out-muscle DBs.
 

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The 1st half red zone possession in which the Hawks could not score and Percy got knocked out demonstrated beyond any argument that the Seahawks need a tall, jump ball WR in my opinion. This is the draft to get one.
 

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Personally I would pass on all 1st round talent (unless an unexpected low round drop of course), to look for Martavis Bryant, Devin Street, or Cody Hoffman in the later rounds.
 

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I'm in agreement with Kigenzun. Allen Robinson is the best fit for our offense and the most ready to contribute.

Some brief scouting notes:

catch away from body, very nice vision after the catch, takes great angles
http://youtu.be/K-cuNKb4Kjk?t=2m10s

Takes unbelievable angles
http://youtu.be/K-cuNKb4Kjk?t=2m59s

See it again here
http://youtu.be/5Xm3MFgJaD4?t=21s

Looks like Demaryius Thomas on this screen
http://youtu.be/hzCrpLd_uqc?t=1m5s

Can run great routes and get open deep... I think he's a great fit for our PA offense? wait for replay of the route he runs at the 2:43 mark. Ball is underthrown or this would be a TD.
http://youtu.be/hzCrpLd_uqc?t=2m23s

getting open deep with nice moves, ball is overthrown.
http://youtu.be/8XjPVcKDF00?t=2m00s

Physical and great at high pointing the ball, radius allows him to play even bigger than he already is.
http://youtu.be/hzCrpLd_uqc?t=4m40s

Badly beats Jean-Baptiste and adjusts to the throw
http://youtu.be/8XjPVcKDF00?t=4m28s

Comes back to his QB
http://youtu.be/5Xm3MFgJaD4?t=1m10s

The guy is much bigger, faster and stronger than you think...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyx_eMtL1NE

Bonus: Watch him blow up his own C
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xm3MFgJaD4

Negative is that he was benched for a few plays recently so some maturity issues. Also, has a tendency to body catch and jump for the ball when it's not needed, taking away run after the catch ability. He does show great hands though so these aren't problems that you can't correct.
 

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bbsplitter":2ne9u8kl said:
Personally I would pass on all 1st round talent (unless an unexpected low round drop of course), to look for Martavis Bryant, Devin Street, or Cody Hoffman in the later rounds.

I'm curious why? Please don't tell me it's because you want an O-lineman first round.
 

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I think we need to consider what Seattle really needs here.

I like Allen Robinson at Penn State. But he's at his best when you put the ball in his hands and let him run at defenders. He's tall -- 6-3 -- but he's around 205-210lbs and looks relatively skinny. For me he's a YAC specialist. And while he will make plays downfield, it's not his absolute greatest strength.

The Seahawks have guys like that, and I fully expect them to find a way to re-sign Tate. Harvin isn't going anywhere before 2014 and will get a chance to bounce back.

What the team needs is a big target -- 6-5/6-6 -- enormous frame. Someone who can box out defenders, compete physically in the air, provide a safety net and be a possession receiver with benefits (aka speed).

This draft has three players who fit that bill. Mike Evans, who should be a top-15 pick and out of reach. He would be ideal, the absolute dream of a pick for this team. Kelvin Benjamin is not my favourite, but he has a ton of potential and maybe playing for an uber competitive team like Seattle will get a spark going there for him to work harder (and if that happens, watch out). And Brandon Coleman is the other one -- technique wise not the finished product but I've not seen a 6-6, 220lbs monster do what he can do before. He could be another Josh Gordon and his potential is ridiculous.

A report via Dan Pompei last week had both Benjamin and Coleman listed as late first rounders via an anonymous NFL GM or scout (can't remember which).

They are the three players, right now, I want to see this team targeting -- and I don't even like Benjamin that much. But I'd accept the pick because that's the need.
 

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MontanaHawk05":2qnto4sv said:
bbsplitter":2qnto4sv said:
Personally I would pass on all 1st round talent (unless an unexpected low round drop of course), to look for Martavis Bryant, Devin Street, or Cody Hoffman in the later rounds.

I'm curious why? Please don't tell me it's because you want an O-lineman first round.

It is actually, I'm looking at how important a big WR is in taking into consideration what they will be asked to do. Block 70% of the time, try and create a big play 30% of the time. Considering O-Line men are involved in 100% of both processes... I would rather add talent to the o-line. Which after the plausible cuts for budget reasons, we will have a shallow talent pool at O-line. (most likely)
 

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And secondly, we have supposedly found our "franchise QB" and I would love it if the front office started placing more importance on protecting him.
 

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bbsplitter":pxrq10gk said:
And secondly, we have supposedly found our "franchise QB" and I would love it if the front office started placing more importance on protecting him.

Two first round picks (including two in their first two drafts), extended the contract of a previous second round pick, spent big money on a guard that is no longer with the team, signed one of the most expensive offensive line coaches in the NFL.

Seattle have put a lot of importance on the offensive line, and when Okung and Breno have been healthy, the line has done it's job.

Wilson's development will not be highly impacted by a first round guard. It could easily be impacted with a top notch big receiver who can be a third down and red zone demon.

Besides, we're talking about what looks like it could potentially be a legendary draft for receivers with as many as 5-6 going in round one. To put it bluntly, it's a crap year for guards in round one.
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":32hqm9si said:
bbsplitter":32hqm9si said:
And secondly, we have supposedly found our "franchise QB" and I would love it if the front office started placing more importance on protecting him.

Two first round picks (including two in their first two drafts), extended the contract of a previous second round pick, spent big money on a guard that is no longer with the team, signed one of the most expensive offensive line coaches in the NFL.

Seattle have put a lot of importance on the offensive line, and when Okung and Breno have been healthy, the line has done it's job.

Wilson's development will not be highly impacted by a first round guard. It could easily be impacted with a top notch big receiver who can be a third down and red zone demon.

Besides, we're talking about what looks like it could potentially be a legendary draft for receivers with as many as 5-6 going in round one. To put it bluntly, it's a crap year for guards in round one.

Sooo.... Naturally that means that there will be more quality depth of WR's in the later rounds... right? And not so many Guards worth a crap later on? No, at first it didn't effect Wilsons development, now he is conveniently having a cold streak right after a long stretch of O line injuries and bad play. He is Mr. happy feet back there and a big factor is a crap line.

Soooo.... We have put all this importance on the line in the past and if that's the case then...we just randomly stop doing that this year? You say they gave a guard "big money", well, take his contract and compare it to other "big money" guards on other teams. It's not really, and that's the point.
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":2xargm2b said:
Wilson's development will not be highly impacted by a first round guard. It could easily be impacted with a top notch big receiver who can be a third down and red zone demon.

Besides, we're talking about what looks like it could potentially be a legendary draft for receivers with as many as 5-6 going in round one. To put it bluntly, it's a crap year for guards in round one.

I think English is right about Russell's "development most affected by/needing" a BIG BODY go to guy on 3rd downs and in the red-zone. (WR or TE.)

However, I am suggesting Allen Robinson as a possible alternative at the #32 pick (& especially if we trade down 6-10 picks to get an extra 3rd or 4th). Due to my honest personal opinion and analysis of the 'Big Names' being gone by our turn to select, and also, seeing as how this is a thread about late First Round WRs, not guards & tackles, Robinson is my choice. Not Jace Amaro or Jordan Matthews, who I believe could still be on the board...

Anyways, in my, {as yet unposted} 2014 Mock: Ebron goes to the Jets, ASJ to the Patriots, Evans to the Rams, Benjamin to the Panthers, and Coleman to the Cleveland Browns...

Dammit all... we will be stuck at #32 with a stupid trophy to gather dust forever and ever, and a late first round pick conundrum :179417:
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":qy8i9q5m said:
I think we need to consider what Seattle really needs here.

I like Allen Robinson at Penn State. But he's at his best when you put the ball in his hands and let him run at defenders. He's tall -- 6-3 -- but he's around 205-210lbs and looks relatively skinny. For me he's a YAC specialist. And while he will make plays downfield, it's not his absolute greatest strength. You make it sound like his catch radius and ability to attack the ball is some kind of weakness.

The Seahawks have guys like that, and I fully expect them to find a way to re-sign Tate. Harvin isn't going anywhere before 2014 and will get a chance to bounce back. If the Seahawks had a 6'3 215lbs Golden Tate, then we would have a guy like that.

What the team needs is a big target -- 6-5/6-6 -- enormous frame. Someone who can box out defenders, compete physically in the air, provide a safety net and be a possession receiver with benefits (aka speed). Demaryius Thomas is 6'3. Dez Bryant is 6'3. Larry Fitzgerald is 6'3... Allen Robinson isn't a small target, at 6'3. IMHO, he attacks the ball more aggressively than either of Benjamin or Coleman. He has the ability to take over games. Benjamin and Coleman can barely overcome themselves - inexplicable lapses in concentration plaguing one and balky knees embattling the other.
 

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